Re: [Marxism] Boston and Vancouver, models for the anti-fascist struggle
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Now we're talking about some real wisdom! I'm down here in Providence walking on eggshells because everyone is extremely antsy for what amounts to nothing more of less than Nazi Wrestle-Mania. The problem is a lack of understanding of history. I pointed out how the Left has a repeated habit of collaboration with the state in dress rehearsals of what later end up being the means to take them out, case and point being the CPUSA support for the Smith Act trials of SWP. Even if the black bloc/antifa crowd (and we need to recognize those two things as tactics rather than organizations) have a moral point, they don't have a pragmatic one. Their entire modus operandi actually does have a dependence on the state and is not suggesting a black hole of nothingness to replace the current state of affairs they oppose. In fact what they do is argue that the state should and could be implementing restrictions to hinder devices and actions that are currently protected by the state. In the final analysis, it comes down to the fact that the current anarchist scene (with the exception of autonomists who follow CLR James and his thought) is missing the ideas Marx put forward in his critique of the Gotha program, particularly the line “Freedom consists in converting the state from an organ superimposed upon society into one completely subordinate to it." Peter Huddis has said that the whole Marx-Bakunin thing is a huge mess that sows unnecessary discord. Message: 1 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 16:06:00 -0400 From: "Louis N. Proyect" <l...@columbia.edu> To: marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Marxism] Boston and Vancouver, models for the anti-fascist struggle Message-ID: <cafc2tu1furl4ivez3fvxmeonnzcscyukagxazff+c3przpr...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" https://louisproyect.org/2017/08/20/boston-and-vancouver- models-for-the-anti-fascist-struggle/ -- Best regards, Andrew Stewart _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Boston and Vancouver, models for the anti-fascist struggle
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Libcom and ItsGoingDown are also, incidentally, both ground-zero for the kind of anarchist/Zionist drag show that seems to be popular among some of these left groups that have no real politics beyond punching people. Both of them host lengthy pieces of anti-Palestinian and anti-Muslim propaganda that their users/cluster seem to be very defensive about. - Amith On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Louis N. Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > https://louisproyect.org/2017/08/20/boston-and-vancouver- > models-for-the-anti-fascist-struggle/ > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/ > options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Boston and Vancouver, models for the anti-fascist struggle
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[Marxism] Boston and Vancouver, models for the anti-fascist struggle
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