Re: [Marxism] Eduardo Galeano Disavows His Book ‘The Open Veins’ - NYTimes.com
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 5/23/14 7:38 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/24/books/eduardo-galeano-disavows-his-book-the-open-veins.html Maybe Galeano now hates his book because Hugo Chavez recommended it (and helped increase MR's coffers.) In this interview he sounds like a Venezuelan contra: http://aristeguinoticias.com/0603/mundo/debate-por-hugo-chavez-mario-vargas-llosa-y-eduardo-galeano/ En 2011, Galeano declaró en una entrevista en Montevideo que Chávez quizás era un dictador, pero “un dictador rarísimo” porque ganó varias elecciones limpias. “Hugo Chávez es un dictador, sin embargo, es un curioso dictador. Ganó ocho elecciones en cinco años. Y ahora, recientemente, se sometió a un referéndum en el que preguntaba a los venezolanos si querían el modelo de Estado que él proponía. Es el único presidente de la historia de la humanidad en hacerlo. Y ganó con el 60 por ciento”. Agregó: “Uno enciende la televisión venezolana y lo primero que ve es a miles de ‘periodistas’ diciendo que en Venezuela no hay libertad de expresión. Uno enciende la radio venezolana y hay miles de ‘periodistas’, analistas, opositores de Chávez, diciendo que allí no hay libertad de expresión. Y uno abre el diario venezolano y hay un título enorme que dice: AQUÍ NO HAY LIBERTAD DE EXPRESIÓN. “En los últimos cinco años tan sólo un medio de comunicación ha sido clausurado. Pero no fue clausurado por el gobierno de Chávez, sino por estos ‘demócratas’ (se refería a la derecha de Venezuela)… Extraña dictadura y extraños demócratas. Yo creo que en Venezuela hay un divorcio genial: el divorcio entre la realidad y la realidad virtual…” Un año antes, en 2010, Galeano también habló sobre los medios de Venezuela al diario español El País. A pregunta expresa de ese diario sobre los “conflictos” de Chávez con la prensa, reflexionó: “Hay una demonización de Chávez. Antes Cuba era la mala de la película, ahora ya no tanto. Pero siempre hay algún malo. Sin malo, la película no se puede hacer. Y si no hay gente peligrosa, ¿qué hacemos con los gastos militares? El mundo tiene que defenderse. El mundo tiene una economía de guerra funcionando y necesita enemigos. Si no existen, los fabrica. No siempre los diablos son diablos y los ángeles, ángeles”. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Eduardo Galeano Disavows His Book ‘The Open Veins’ - NYTimes.com
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 5/23/14 8:40 PM, Ernestleif via Marxism wrote: Open veins helped form me. As Did USA. If it's true then I'll miss EG! I was hasty. The Galeano interview supported Chavez. I misread his irony. I read Open Veins in 1967, after joining the SWP. Around the same time I read Malcolm X's autobiography and John Gerassi's The Great Fear in Latin America. They were as formative as anything I would read by Marx et al. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Eduardo Galeano Disavows His Book ‘The Open Veins’ - NYTimes.com
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == lord knows more kids today should be reading the USA trilogy! The Big Money by dos passos did it for me. Brian McKenna -Original Message- From: Ernestleif via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Brian mckenna...@aol.com Sent: Fri, May 23, 2014 8:40 pm Subject: Re: [Marxism] Eduardo Galeano Disavows His Book ‘The Open Veins’ - NYTimes.com == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Open veins helped form me. As Did USA. If it's true then I'll miss EG! Sent from my iPhone On May 23, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Andrew Pollack via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == were you being sarcastic Louis about him sounding like a contra? Admittedly I used googletranslate but it seems very clearly a critique by Galeano of the Venezuelan contras ps kudos to Michael for his quotes; let's hope Galeano hasn't gone down the Dos Passos road, but if so it's a very good parallel; lord knows more kids today should be reading the USA trilogy! 2014-05-23 19:56 GMT-04:00 Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 5/23/14 7:38 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/24/books/eduardo-galeano- disavows-his-book-the-open-veins.html Maybe Galeano now hates his book because Hugo Chavez recommended it (and helped increase MR's coffers.) In this interview he sounds like a Venezuelan contra: http://aristeguinoticias.com/0603/mundo/debate-por-hugo- chavez-mario-vargas-llosa-y-eduardo-galeano/ En 2011, Galeano declaró en una entrevista en Montevideo que Chávez quizás era un dictador, pero “un dictador rarísimo” porque ganó varias elecciones limpias. “Hugo Chávez es un dictador, sin embargo, es un curioso dictador. Ganó ocho elecciones en cinco años. Y ahora, recientemente, se sometió a un referéndum en el que preguntaba a los venezolanos si querían el modelo de Estado que él proponía. Es el único presidente de la historia de la humanidad en hacerlo. Y ganó con el 60 por ciento”. Agregó: “Uno enciende la televisión venezolana y lo primero que ve es a miles de ‘periodistas’ diciendo que en Venezuela no hay libertad de expresión. Uno enciende la radio venezolana y hay miles de ‘periodistas’, analistas, opositores de Chávez, diciendo que allí no hay libertad de expresión. Y uno abre el diario venezolano y hay un título enorme que dice: AQUÍ NO HAY LIBERTAD DE EXPRESIÓN. “En los últimos cinco años tan sólo un medio de comunicación ha sido clausurado. Pero no fue clausurado por el gobierno de Chávez, sino por estos ‘demócratas’ (se refería a la derecha de Venezuela)… Extraña dictadura y extraños demócratas. Yo creo que en Venezuela hay un divorcio genial: el divorcio entre la realidad y la realidad virtual…” Un año antes, en 2010, Galeano también habló sobre los medios de Venezuela al diario español El País. A pregunta expresa de ese diario sobre los “conflictos” de Chávez con la prensa, reflexionó: “Hay una demonización de Chávez. Antes Cuba era la mala de la película, ahora ya no tanto. Pero siempre hay algún malo. Sin malo, la película no se puede hacer. Y si no hay gente peligrosa, ¿qué hacemos con los gastos militares? El mundo tiene que defenderse. El mundo tiene una economía de guerra funcionando y necesita enemigos. Si no existen, los fabrica. No siempre los diablos son diablos y los ángeles, ángeles”. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/ options/marxism/acpollack2%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/ernestleif%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/mckenna193%40aol.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Eduardo Galeano Disavows His Book ‘The Open Veins’ - NYTimes.com
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Larry Rohter, the Times reporter who wrote this rather dumb article, was a Times correspondent in Venezuela. He vigorously attacked Oliver Stone's film, South of the Border, about Venezuela and Hugo Chavez. Stone replied in an rebuttal published here: http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/oliver_stone_responds_to_new_york_times_attack_20100628 Among Stone's comments were: Rohter should have disclosed his own conflict of interest in this review. The film criticizes the New York Times for its editorial board’s endorsement of the military coup of April 11, 2002 against the democratically elected government of Venezuela, which was embarrassing to the Times. Moreover, Rohter himself wrote an article on April 12 that went even further than the Times’ endorsement of the coup: “Neither the overthrow of Mr. Chavez, a former army colonel, nor of Mr. Mahuad two years ago can be classified as a conventional Latin American military coup. The armed forces did not actually take power on Thursday. It was the ousted president’s supporters who appear to have been responsible for deaths that numbered barely 12 rather than hundreds or thousands, and political rights and guarantees were restored rather than suspended.” – Larry Rohter, New York Times, April 12, 2002 These allegations that the coup was not a coup – not only by Rohter — prompted a rebuttal by Rohter’s colleague at the New York Times, Tim Weiner, who wrote a Sunday Week in Review piece two days later entitled “A Coup By Any Other Name.” (New York Times, April 14, 2002) Unlike the NYT editorial board, which issued a grudging retraction of their pro-coup stance a few days later (included in our film), Rohter seems to have clung to the right-wing fantasies about the coup. It is not surprising that someone who supports the military overthrow of a democratically elected government would not like a documentary like this one, which celebrates the triumphs of electoral democracy in South America over the last decade. During our phone conversation, Rohter got more agitated as I steadfastly refused to concede anything about what Open Veins tells us about Latin America's history. He seemed to think that MR Press is obliged to make note of Galiano's remarks, but I said that would be ridiculous. Should we put a blurb on the book, stating that the author has now repudiated his book (which, by the way, he did not)? I asked him, what publisher would do that, especially when we think the book is right on the money. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
