Re: [Marxism] Fwd: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings

2016-09-30 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism 

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On 9/30/16 12:23 PM, Clay Claiborne via Marxism wrote:

What professor are you talking about?


Just look at the stuff you sent to the list and search for Ella Wind, an 
NYU grad student who was responding to Idrees Ahmad who had called 
attention to Mark Crispin Miller. You are reading the stuff you post to 
the list, I hope.

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings

2016-09-30 Thread Clay Claiborne via Marxism 
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What professor are you talking about?

Clay

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On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Andrew Pollack via Marxism <
marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

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> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Clay Claiborne via Marxism <
> marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
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> > FYI: This is the #NeverHillary Left.
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> > Clay Claiborne, Director
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> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Terry 
> > Date: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings
> > To: Clay Claiborne 
> > Cc: Nader Hashemi , Ella Wind <
> > ella.cw...@gmail.com>, Critical Syria 
> >
> >
> > Yes, that's the point - these sites are supporting Trump.  They are
> > pro-Assad, pro-Russia, pro-Trump.  They exchange each others' articles
> and
> > memes.  Some of them have no board of directors, no funding sources, no
> > ads.  Some like globalresearch.ca have been around for awhile but others
> > have just been around a couple of years.  They have influenced how people
> > think on Syria and it seems they are also influencing people regarding
> the
> > elections.  I have progressive friends who have occasionally posted one
> of
> > their articles smearing Hillary.  They have contributed to increasing the
> > negatives around Hillary with their hundreds of exaggerated stories.
> >
> > Where does their money come from?  You need staff to do a webpage,
> facebook
> > page with new articles and memes every day.  The Anti-Media lists 22
> people
> > on their "team" and they have no ads, no grants, no visible sources for
> > their funding.  Former staff from Mint Press thought the hundreds of
> > thousands funding the organization came from the editor's father-in-law's
> > Iranian connections.
> >
> > Russia does have a history of disinformation campaigns.
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/world/europe/russia-
> > sweden-disinformation.html?smid=fb-share
> >
> > We need articles that look at the disinformation on these sites and at
> > least question where their funding comes from.
> >
> > Terry
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Clay Claiborne 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > As you know, there are more sites like these - progressive on
> everything
> > >> but Syria.  The Anti-Media, Free Thought Project are two.  Lately
> > they've
> > >> been bashing Hillary with lots of crazy conspiracy theory stuff,
> > claiming
> > >> she's armed ISIS, etc.   They equate Hillary with Trump and push
> Stein.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > > When they push Stein in progressive circles they are supporting Trump.
> > > Its binary logic #NEVERHillary==POTUSTRUMP
> > >
> > > Clay Claiborne, Director
> > > Vietnam: American Holocaust 
> > > Linux Beach Productions
> > > Venice, CA 90291
> > > (310) 581-1536
> > >
> > > Read my blogs at the Linux Beach 
> > > 
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Nader Hashemi <
> > naderalihash...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> There are a lot of very sick people in this worldand this
> professor
> > >> is one of them. Sadly, many on the Left are suffering from the same
> > ethical
> > >> illness
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Terry 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> It's

Re: [Marxism] Fwd: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings

2016-09-30 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism 

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On 9/30/16 11:01 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:


The NYU professor referred to below is Mark Crispin Miller.


He is also a 9/11 Truther.

http://markcrispinmiller.com/2010/02/how-did-the-world-trade-center-simply-disappear-on-911/

I think he has lost his mind. That's what teaching at NYU does apparently.
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings

2016-09-30 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism 

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The NYU professor referred to below is Mark Crispin Miller.


On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Ella Wind  wrote:
That's really a shame. He's been one of the strongest faculty allies in
the fights to unionize various workers at NYU. Always the most
disappointing when someone who is so much on the right side of other issues
holds such terrible views.



 On Monday, 26 September 2016 19:33:34 UTC-4, Idrees Ahmad wrote:
 This fellow is a professor of media at NYU and has appeared in docs
and events alongside Chomsky, Edward Said et al. This is only a selection
of his posts from the past 3 hours.


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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings

2016-09-30 Thread Andrew Pollack via Marxism 
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who is the professor under discussion?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Clay Claiborne via Marxism <
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> FYI: This is the #NeverHillary Left.
>
>
> Clay Claiborne, Director
> Vietnam: American Holocaust 
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> Venice, CA 90291
> (310) 581-1536
>
> Read my blogs at the Linux Beach 
> 
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Terry 
> Date: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings
> To: Clay Claiborne 
> Cc: Nader Hashemi , Ella Wind <
> ella.cw...@gmail.com>, Critical Syria 
>
>
> Yes, that's the point - these sites are supporting Trump.  They are
> pro-Assad, pro-Russia, pro-Trump.  They exchange each others' articles and
> memes.  Some of them have no board of directors, no funding sources, no
> ads.  Some like globalresearch.ca have been around for awhile but others
> have just been around a couple of years.  They have influenced how people
> think on Syria and it seems they are also influencing people regarding the
> elections.  I have progressive friends who have occasionally posted one of
> their articles smearing Hillary.  They have contributed to increasing the
> negatives around Hillary with their hundreds of exaggerated stories.
>
> Where does their money come from?  You need staff to do a webpage, facebook
> page with new articles and memes every day.  The Anti-Media lists 22 people
> on their "team" and they have no ads, no grants, no visible sources for
> their funding.  Former staff from Mint Press thought the hundreds of
> thousands funding the organization came from the editor's father-in-law's
> Iranian connections.
>
> Russia does have a history of disinformation campaigns.
> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/world/europe/russia-
> sweden-disinformation.html?smid=fb-share
>
> We need articles that look at the disinformation on these sites and at
> least question where their funding comes from.
>
> Terry
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Clay Claiborne 
> wrote:
>
> > As you know, there are more sites like these - progressive on everything
> >> but Syria.  The Anti-Media, Free Thought Project are two.  Lately
> they've
> >> been bashing Hillary with lots of crazy conspiracy theory stuff,
> claiming
> >> she's armed ISIS, etc.   They equate Hillary with Trump and push Stein.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> > When they push Stein in progressive circles they are supporting Trump.
> > Its binary logic #NEVERHillary==POTUSTRUMP
> >
> > Clay Claiborne, Director
> > Vietnam: American Holocaust 
> > Linux Beach Productions
> > Venice, CA 90291
> > (310) 581-1536
> >
> > Read my blogs at the Linux Beach 
> > 
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Nader Hashemi <
> naderalihash...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> There are a lot of very sick people in this worldand this professor
> >> is one of them. Sadly, many on the Left are suffering from the same
> ethical
> >> illness
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Terry 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It's interesting to note that his posts come from Russian sources (RT,
> >>> Sputnik) and then some of the fake progressive sites that have always
> been
> >>> pro-Assad.  TheDuran.com, 21st Century Wire, Mint Press News, Counter
> >>> Punch, Consortium News, Global Research, Your News Wire.  I know most
> of
> >>> you are aware of the problems with these sites.  It would be great if
> we
> >>> could get some articles exposing their pro-Assad/pro-Russia stance,
> lack of
> >>> any journalism standards, lack of transparency about funding.  They are
> >>> effective propaganda.
> >>>
> >>> Mint Press is located here.  Former staffers contacted me after I wrote
> >>> criticisms of Mint Press.  There is a lot of money behind it.  The
> staffers
> >>> guess Iranian because the editor's father-in-law is a well-connected
> >>> Iranian.  In 2013 there were 10 people on staff with reporters being
> paid
> >>> $38,000 a year.

[Marxism] Fwd: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings

2016-09-30 Thread Clay Claiborne via Marxism 
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-- Forwarded message --
From: Terry 
Date: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Critical-Syria] Re: NYU professor's FB postings
To: Clay Claiborne 
Cc: Nader Hashemi , Ella Wind <
ella.cw...@gmail.com>, Critical Syria 


Yes, that's the point - these sites are supporting Trump.  They are
pro-Assad, pro-Russia, pro-Trump.  They exchange each others' articles and
memes.  Some of them have no board of directors, no funding sources, no
ads.  Some like globalresearch.ca have been around for awhile but others
have just been around a couple of years.  They have influenced how people
think on Syria and it seems they are also influencing people regarding the
elections.  I have progressive friends who have occasionally posted one of
their articles smearing Hillary.  They have contributed to increasing the
negatives around Hillary with their hundreds of exaggerated stories.

Where does their money come from?  You need staff to do a webpage, facebook
page with new articles and memes every day.  The Anti-Media lists 22 people
on their "team" and they have no ads, no grants, no visible sources for
their funding.  Former staff from Mint Press thought the hundreds of
thousands funding the organization came from the editor's father-in-law's
Iranian connections.

Russia does have a history of disinformation campaigns.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/world/europe/russia-
sweden-disinformation.html?smid=fb-share

We need articles that look at the disinformation on these sites and at
least question where their funding comes from.

Terry



On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Clay Claiborne  wrote:

> As you know, there are more sites like these - progressive on everything
>> but Syria.  The Anti-Media, Free Thought Project are two.  Lately they've
>> been bashing Hillary with lots of crazy conspiracy theory stuff, claiming
>> she's armed ISIS, etc.   They equate Hillary with Trump and push Stein.
>>
>>>
>>>
> When they push Stein in progressive circles they are supporting Trump.
> Its binary logic #NEVERHillary==POTUSTRUMP
>
> Clay Claiborne, Director
> Vietnam: American Holocaust 
> Linux Beach Productions
> Venice, CA 90291
> (310) 581-1536
>
> Read my blogs at the Linux Beach 
> 
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Nader Hashemi 
> wrote:
>
>> There are a lot of very sick people in this worldand this professor
>> is one of them. Sadly, many on the Left are suffering from the same ethical
>> illness
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Terry 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's interesting to note that his posts come from Russian sources (RT,
>>> Sputnik) and then some of the fake progressive sites that have always been
>>> pro-Assad.  TheDuran.com, 21st Century Wire, Mint Press News, Counter
>>> Punch, Consortium News, Global Research, Your News Wire.  I know most of
>>> you are aware of the problems with these sites.  It would be great if we
>>> could get some articles exposing their pro-Assad/pro-Russia stance, lack of
>>> any journalism standards, lack of transparency about funding.  They are
>>> effective propaganda.
>>>
>>> Mint Press is located here.  Former staffers contacted me after I wrote
>>> criticisms of Mint Press.  There is a lot of money behind it.  The staffers
>>> guess Iranian because the editor's father-in-law is a well-connected
>>> Iranian.  In 2013 there were 10 people on staff with reporters being paid
>>> $38,000 a year.  https://www.buzzfeed.com/rosi
>>> egray/the-inside-story-of-one-websites-defense-of-assad?utm_
>>> term=.qdxkjVEZB#.wgQVPpW1v
>>>
>>> As you know, there are more sites like these - progressive on everything
>>> but Syria.  The Anti-Media, Free Thought Project are two.  Lately they've
>>> been bashing Hillary with lots of crazy conspiracy theory stuff, claiming
>>> she's armed ISIS, etc.   They equate Hillary with Trump and push Stein.
>>>
>>> They have been very effective in shaping the narrative on Syria (and
>>> lately on Hillary).  They overwhelm the more objective news on Syria by
>>> their sheer volume.  When there are so many stories claiming the U.S.
>>> created, armed and