Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Brexit demonstrates the Left's failure on Race issues

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Andrew Pollackwrote

   thanks Einde. It's crucial to get it right when addressing these
   questions
   - and to thoroughly read polemical pieces before hitting Share and
   Retweet.
   (this one is going Left viral.

   I take this suggestion, since I did the same on another related
   thread and I apologize.



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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Brexit demonstrates the Left's failure on Race issues

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thanks Einde. It's crucial to get it right when addressing these questions
- and to thoroughly read polemical pieces before hitting Share and Retweet.
(this one is going Left viral.
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Brexit demonstrates the Left's failure on Race issues

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>
> which was indeed marked
> vile racism on both sides,

Yeah, because racism isn't the product of a whole history in which the
"racist" of one side have never had a chance to dominate the racists on the
other side. It just what people say to each other.

The failure of the [White] Left on racism is not to be mocked. It is a
tragedy and the main problem holding back world revolution.

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On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Einde OCallaghan via Marxism <
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>  Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote 
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> https://sajjeling.com/2016/07/01/brexit-demonstrates-the-lefts-failure-on-race-issues/
> ;
> >
> This is a rather cheap and ahistorical polemic.
>
> Starting off by referring to the shortcomings of two leading figures of the
> academic Old New Left, EP Thompson and Raymond Williams on race and racism,
> without referring to the numerous valuable studies on these topics produced
> by British historians inspired by them, it then makes a Hügel leap of
> almost half a century to the recently referendum, which was indeed marked
> vile racism on both sides, but particularly on the victorious Brexit side.
> It then concludes that the British left has failed to take racism
> seriously.
>
> This approach neglects the massive and successful struggles against racism
> and fascist organisations that have been fought in Britain since the 1960s.
> Among these was the way the Anti-Nazi League and Rock Against Racism
> combined cultural struggles (particularly within the nascent British punk
> movement) with mass demonstrations (including mass confrontations with both
> police and fascists) to destroy the National Front.
>
> Of course, this didn't destroy racism - fighting racism and fascism will be
> a labour of Sisyphus as long as capitalism continues to exist. As Brecht
> said of fascism: "The womb from which it crawled is still fertile!"
>
> In each decade since then it has been possible to mobilise large numbers of
> people to beat back organised racism and fascism and to make public
> expression of racism totally unacceptable. This task faces the left once
> more. Using the experience of the past and the anti-racist sentiments
> exiating in society at large as a result of past struggles I'm sure they
> will be able to do this again.
>
> However, ahistorical contributions from afar by people who appear to have
> no understanding of the struggles of the past are of no use whatsoever to
> those involved in today's struggles!
>
> Einde O'Callaghan
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Brexit demonstrates the Left's failure on Race issues

[Einde OCallaghan via Marxism]

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 Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote 

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>
https://sajjeling.com/2016/07/01/brexit-demonstrates-the-lefts-failure-on-race-issues/
;
>
This is a rather cheap and ahistorical polemic.

Starting off by referring to the shortcomings of two leading figures of the
academic Old New Left, EP Thompson and Raymond Williams on race and racism,
without referring to the numerous valuable studies on these topics produced
by British historians inspired by them, it then makes a Hügel leap of
almost half a century to the recently referendum, which was indeed marked
vile racism on both sides, but particularly on the victorious Brexit side.
It then concludes that the British left has failed to take racism seriously.

This approach neglects the massive and successful struggles against racism
and fascist organisations that have been fought in Britain since the 1960s.
Among these was the way the Anti-Nazi League and Rock Against Racism
combined cultural struggles (particularly within the nascent British punk
movement) with mass demonstrations (including mass confrontations with both
police and fascists) to destroy the National Front.

Of course, this didn't destroy racism - fighting racism and fascism will be
a labour of Sisyphus as long as capitalism continues to exist. As Brecht
said of fascism: "The womb from which it crawled is still fertile!"

In each decade since then it has been possible to mobilise large numbers of
people to beat back organised racism and fascism and to make public
expression of racism totally unacceptable. This task faces the left once
more. Using the experience of the past and the anti-racist sentiments
exiating in society at large as a result of past struggles I'm sure they
will be able to do this again.

However, ahistorical contributions from afar by people who appear to have
no understanding of the struggles of the past are of no use whatsoever to
those involved in today's struggles!

Einde O'Callaghan
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Brexit demonstrates the Left's failure on Race issues

[Einde OCallaghan via Marxism]

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 Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote 

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>
>
>
https://sajjeling.com/2016/07/01/brexit-demonstrates-the-lefts-failure-on-race-issues/
;
>
This is a rather cheap and ahistorical polemic.

Starting off by referring to the shortcomings of two leading figures of the
academic Old New Left, EP Thompson and Raymond Williams on race and racism,
without referring to the numerous valuable studies on these topics produced
by British historians inspired by them, it then makes a Hügel leap of
almost half a century to the recently referendum, which was indeed marked
vile racism on both sides, but particularly on the victorious Brexit side.
It then concludes that the British left has failed to take racism seriously.

This approach neglects the massive and successful struggles against racism
and fascist organisations that have been fought in Britain since the 1960s.
Among these was the way the Anti-Nazi League and Rock Against Racism
combined cultural struggles (particularly within the nascent British punk
movement) with mass demonstrations (including mass confrontations with both
police and fascists) to destroy the National Front.

Of course, this didn't destroy racism - fighting racism and fascism will be
a labour of Sisyphus as long as capitalism continues to exist. As Brecht
said of fascism: "The womb from which it crawled is still fertile!"

In each decade since then it has been possible to mobilise large numbers of
people to beat back organised racism and fascism and to make public
expression of racism totally unacceptable. This task faces the left once
more. Using the experience of the past and the anti-racist sentiments
exiating in society at large as a result of past struggles I'm sure they
will be able to do this again.

However, ahistorical contributions from afar by people who appear to have
no understanding of the struggles of the past are of no use whatsoever to
those involved in today's struggles!

Einde O'Callaghan
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