[Marxism] GLW and NZ politics

2014-09-18 Thread Philip Ferguson via Marxism
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In response to Stuart's GLW article on Mana and housing and elections and
so on.

Stuart, this reminds me of your current's gushy stuff about the Alliance a
decade or two ago.  And look at how that turned out.

Do you folks learn nothing?

Phil

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Re: [Marxism] GLW and NZ politics

2014-09-18 Thread Stuart Munckton via Marxism
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Well, the housing thing is just a real struggle, not sure why that is
gushy. On the other stuff, well we'll see. If the polls are to be believed,
in an *electoral* sense it won't have worked out, but in a n electoral
sense, Mana would struggle to break out anyway. I can't see any reason not
to try to hook up with those concnered about online freedom and related
issues, despite the dangers and clear limitatios and contradictions of a
figure of Dotcom. That was quoite a young meeting and there is a sesne of a
lot of youth intersts int hese issues, finding a way to connect and draw
them in is worth it.

Not sure we were wrong on the Alliance. That's the point -- thing can go
wrong, they contain dangers and things can fail. It doesn't make the
attempt wrong, but you try to draw lessons and do it better the next time.

But then againm as your propsoal to the class is don't vote, then there
is no such dangers of your political project failing. Nor of getting
anywhere.

Stuart

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