Re: [Marxism] Hillary Clinton Takes Aim at Voters Drifting Toward Third Party

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Nov. 8th. Details matter.

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On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism <
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> On 9/16/16 1:47 PM, Glenn Kissack via Marxism wrote:
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>> This is really getting repetitive. I got it the first time, the tenth
>> time, the twentieth time: Vote for Hillary.
>>
>> Weren’t we supposed to refrain from debating this?
>>
>> Glenn
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> I should have said something about this. I decided that I couldn't impose
> a ban on "lesser evil" voting for Clinton because it is impossible to block
> discussion of the 2016 elections since they are just too dominant in the
> news and analysis on the left to ignore. I certainly resent Clay making the
> same points over and over again but at least we can assume that after
> November 2nd, he'll move on to other matters.
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Re: [Marxism] Hillary Clinton Takes Aim at Voters Drifting Toward Third Party

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On 9/16/16 1:47 PM, Glenn Kissack via Marxism wrote:

This is really getting repetitive. I got it the first time, the tenth time, the 
twentieth time: Vote for Hillary.

Weren’t we supposed to refrain from debating this?

Glenn


I should have said something about this. I decided that I couldn't 
impose a ban on "lesser evil" voting for Clinton because it is 
impossible to block discussion of the 2016 elections since they are just 
too dominant in the news and analysis on the left to ignore. I certainly 
resent Clay making the same points over and over again but at least we 
can assume that after November 2nd, he'll move on to other matters.

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Re: [Marxism] Hillary Clinton Takes Aim at Voters Drifting Toward Third Party

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> On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Clay Claiborne via Marxism 
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>> a vote for a third-party candidate is a vote for Donald Trump
> 
> That is the bottom line in this election

This is really getting repetitive. I got it the first time, the tenth time, the 
twentieth time: Vote for Hillary.

Weren’t we supposed to refrain from debating this?

Glenn


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[Marxism] Hillary Clinton Takes Aim at Voters Drifting Toward Third Party

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Clay Claiborne said:
> a vote for a third-party candidate is a vote for Donald Trump

That is the bottom line in this election.

Ken Hiebert replies:
Only in this election?  Can you assure us that you won't be making the same 
argument in 2020? 

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Re: [Marxism] Hillary Clinton Takes Aim at Voters Drifting Toward Third Party

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> a vote for a third-party candidate is a vote for Donald Trump

That is the bottom line in this election

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[Marxism] Hillary Clinton Takes Aim at Voters Drifting Toward Third Party

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(Maybe it would help if she wasn't modeling her campaign on Mitt Romney's.)

NY Times, Sept. 16 2016
Hillary Clinton Takes Aim at Voters Drifting Toward Third Party
By JONATHAN MARTIN and AMY CHOZICK

WASHINGTON — Hillary Clinton and her Democratic allies, unnerved by the 
tightening presidential race, are making a major push to dissuade 
disaffected voters from backing third-party candidates, and pouring more 
energy into Rust Belt states, where Donald J. Trump is gaining ground.


With Mrs. Clinton enduring one of the rockiest stretches of her second 
bid for the presidency, her campaign and affiliated Democratic groups 
are shifting their focus to those voters, many of them millennials, who 
recoil at Mr. Trump, her Republican opponent, but now favor the 
Libertarian nominee, Gary Johnson, or the Green Party candidate, Jill Stein.


While still optimistic that the race will turn decisively back in Mrs. 
Clinton’s favor after the debates, leading Democrats have been alarmed 
by the drift of young voters toward the third-party candidates.


The principal “super PAC” supporting Mrs. Clinton’s candidacy, 
Priorities USA Action, has concluded from its polling and other research 
that the reluctance to embrace the Democratic nominee among those who 
intensely dislike Mr. Trump is not going away and must be confronted.


“We’ll be launching a multimillion-dollar digital campaign that talks 
about what’s at stake and how a vote for a third-party candidate is a 
vote for Donald Trump, who is against everything these voters stand 
for,” said Justin Barasky, a strategist for Priorities USA.


Mrs. Clinton may also get an assist from one Democrat who has been 
largely quiet about the race, but can testify to the importance of 
resisting the third-party temptation: former Vice President Al Gore. Her 
staff has had conversations with aides to Mr. Gore about bringing him 
onto the campaign trail to emphasize the importance of supporting Mrs. 
Clinton if they want to make progress on combating climate change.


“I can assure you from personal experience that every vote counts,” Mr. 
Gore wrote in an email to The New York Times on Thursday, after a new 
CBS/New York Times poll showed Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Trump virtually 
tied. “The stakes are high for so many Americans. So I will vote for 
Hillary Clinton and I strongly encourage others to vote for her as well.”


More immediately, the Clinton campaign on Saturday will dispatch two 
political figures who enjoy a passionate following among young liberals, 
Senators Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, to Ohio, where public 
polls show Mrs. Clinton has slipped into a statistical dead heat with 
Mr. Trump. And Mrs. Clinton will deliver a speech aimed at millennial 
voters on Monday in Philadelphia before campaigning in Ohio and giving 
an economic address in Florida later in the week.


Democrats say that if the race is close in its final stretch, some of 
the voters who do not want to see Mr. Trump elected may shift on their 
own accord to Mrs. Clinton to prevent a Trump presidency. But after 
spending much of the summer hammering Mr. Trump, through both ads and 
stump speeches, it appears Mrs. Clinton has convinced many voters that 
Mr. Trump is not qualified to be president but has failed to win them 
over to her own candidacy.


On Thursday, she seemed to take aim at their lingering doubts.

“From now until Nov. 8, everywhere I go I’m going to talk about my ideas 
for our country,” Mrs. Clinton told reporters on Thursday in Greensboro, 
N.C., as she returned to the campaign trail for the first time since 
revealing she had pneumonia after nearly collapsing Sunday at a Sept. 11 
memorial event.


At the same time, the Clinton campaign will try to more directly address 
the pocketbook concerns of blue-collar voters, particularly in Rust Belt 
states, where Mr. Trump has appeal.


In Ohio, for example, the Clinton campaign has opened 54 offices aimed 
at turning out the vote. But three public polls this week showed Mr. 
Trump holding a narrow lead there, and prominent Clinton supporters in 
Ohio said the former secretary of state needs to make clear what she 
will do for working-class people.


“The more people hear about what she’s proposing, the more inclined 
they’ll say, ‘Maybe she’s not my first pick, but she’s got a plan that 
is going to help us,’” said Representative Tim Ryan, a Democrat from the 
Youngstown area.


Mrs. Clinton suffered one of her biggest setbacks during the primaries 
in the Midwest, when Mr. Sanders unexpectedly won Michigan. Mr. Trump’s 
strong showing in the polls in the region, and his ability to connect 
with working-class