Re: [Marxism] It's leftism or Zionism - you can't have both - Opinion - Israel News | Haaretz.com

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The JVP statement has gotten too much fanfare if anything:

https://mondoweiss.net/2019/01/rejection-imperialism-criticism/

JVP's statement is contradictory. They say they reject Zionism but then
repeatedly imply that they have some kind of connection to Israel as Jews.
The entire organizing model is about Jewish people having a special right,
as Jews, to talk about Israel/Palestine (note:JVP is entirely based in
America) -- almost, as if to imply, that Jews form some sort of singular
national group??

If anything their org is a critical, dissenting extension of Zionism, not
an opponent. Like, really really liberal Zionism.

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019, 11:20 AM MM via Marxism 
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> > On Feb 8, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism <
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> https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-it-s-leftism-or-zionism-you-can-t-have-both-1.6914579
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> https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-it-s-leftism-or-zionism-you-can-t-have-both-1.6914579
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>
> JVP recently came out as officially anti-Zionist:
>
> Jewish Voice for Peace’s announcement that it opposes Zionism, published
> quietly on its website earlier this month, has thus far come and gone
> without much fanfare or public attention. It simply wasn’t surprising for
> many.
>
> “This doesn’t change anything about our focus or our political analysis,”
> JVP’s executive director, Rebecca Vilkomerson says, explaining that the
> change is not a huge departure for the organization in either practice or
> principle. “It just names something that hasn’t been named before.”
>
> Naming, however, can have powerful repercussions. Just a few days after
> the statement went up on JVP’s website, an umbrella group of Jewish
> organizations in Boston voted to expel any of its members who partner with
> anti-Zionist Jewish groups.
>
> https://972mag.com/jvp-anti-zionist-rebecca-vilkomerson-2/139912/
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Comrades should be aware of Bret Stephens's vicious attack on the 
anti-Zionist left in yesterday's NYT:


The Progressive Assault on Israel

A movement that can detect a racist dog-whistle from miles away is 
strangely deaf when it comes to some of the barking on its own side of 
the fence.


full: 
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/08/opinion/sunday/israel-progressive-anti-semitism.html


Ordinarily, I ignore this schmuck but I couldn't help Tweeting at 
@BretStephensNYT, @nytopinion:


Israelis are voting with their feet. 10% of the people in my high-rise 
speak Hebrew, none wear yarmulkes. Soon Israel will consist mostly of 
Meier Kahane wannabes and Bret Stephens will be their mouthpiece. That's 
Zionism in 2019.


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> On Feb 8, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism 
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> https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-it-s-leftism-or-zionism-you-can-t-have-both-1.6914579
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JVP recently came out as officially anti-Zionist:

Jewish Voice for Peace’s announcement that it opposes Zionism, published 
quietly on its website earlier this month, has thus far come and gone without 
much fanfare or public attention. It simply wasn’t surprising for many.

“This doesn’t change anything about our focus or our political analysis,” JVP’s 
executive director, Rebecca Vilkomerson says, explaining that the change is not 
a huge departure for the organization in either practice or principle. “It just 
names something that hasn’t been named before.”

Naming, however, can have powerful repercussions. Just a few days after the 
statement went up on JVP’s website, an umbrella group of Jewish organizations 
in Boston voted to expel any of its members who partner with anti-Zionist 
Jewish groups.

https://972mag.com/jvp-anti-zionist-rebecca-vilkomerson-2/139912/

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> On Feb 9, 2019, at 1:29 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism 
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> Comrades should be aware of Bret Stephens's vicious attack on the 
> anti-Zionist left in yesterday's NYT:

Mondoweiss has published a response to Stephens:

“Thank you Bret Stephens, for making anti-Zionism a subject for every dinner 
table, and BDS a household word” 

https://mondoweiss.net/2019/02/stephens-subject-household/

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Indeed, though I think even that's an overstatement when considering how
even unofficially most of their members have opposed Zionism since the
beginning. So even the evolution is minimal.

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> On Feb 9, 2019, at 12:11 PM, A.R. G  wrote:
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> The JVP statement has gotten too much fanfare if anything:
>
> https://mondoweiss.net/2019/01/rejection-imperialism-criticism/
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>
> Offered as a sign of how the politics are evolving, not for endorsement.
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> On Feb 9, 2019, at 12:11 PM, A.R. G  wrote:
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> The JVP statement has gotten too much fanfare if anything:
> 
> https://mondoweiss.net/2019/01/rejection-imperialism-criticism/ 
> 

Offered as a sign of how the politics are evolving, not for endorsement.

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Here’s an oxymoron: Zionism and the left. These are two conflicting 
values that can no longer be upheld simultaneously, and the time has 
come to recognize this.


This is the most important reason for the Israeli left’s erosion to its 
current nadir: The left declined because it lost its way. This loss of 
its way was inbuilt and inevitable. If you remain a Zionist, you can no 
longer be of the left; if you’re of the left, you can no longer be a 
Zionist.


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