Re: [Marxism] The Party’s Over: Bernie’s Last Dance With the Dems - CounterPunch.org

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What's wrong with Hindenburg?

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> Show of hands here . . . does anybody remember an election where we haven't
> heard about the imminent threat of fascism?  :-)
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> Still, the alarm would be serious enough to have my attention if it wasn't
> all aimed to get me to vote for Hindenburg . . . .
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Re: [Marxism] The Party’s Over: Bernie’s Last Dance With the Dems - CounterPunch.org

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1960, 1968, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2008, 2012

we worried about fascism with Goldwater, with Reagan in 1984, with "W" in
2004 and with Trump in 2016 ---

don't remember "worrying" about fascism in any of the other elections 

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Re: [Marxism] The Party’s Over: Bernie’s Last Dance With the Dems - CounterPunch.org

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Show of hands here . . . does anybody remember an election where we haven't
heard about the imminent threat of fascism?  :-)

Still, the alarm would be serious enough to have my attention if it wasn't
all aimed to get me to vote for Hindenburg . . . .
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Re: [Marxism] The Party’s Over: Bernie’s Last Dance With the Dems - CounterPunch.org

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Spoiler alert -- what follows is a BROKEN RECORD ---

It is possible that every word in the article by Kavanaugh is correct and
his prediction of what Bernie would do after a brokered convention takes
the nomination away from him  (though I actually believe Warren is NOT
a DNC "liberal" ---she's a bit more radical than that and thereforescary to
the establishment --- but leave that aside!) --- is ALSO correct.

That leaves out the answer to the question that the writer neglects to
answer --- he says, when Bernie makes his peace with the Dems'
establishment all his supporters will have to leave the Democratic Party --

Will they have to vote for Howie Hawkins or stay home in November 2020 in
order to punish the Democratic Establishment?

The writer doesn't answer but that is of course the important question --

I've made it clear I think Trump's fascism and climate denialism is
QUALITATIVELY different from (and more dangerous than) ANY Democrat -- even
(gasp!) Bloomberg.

WIll not try to re-argue that - but merely note that the writer goes right
up to that question and does not (unless I read the piece wrong) answer
it.



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[Marxism] The Party’s Over: Bernie’s Last Dance With the Dems - CounterPunch.org

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It will be clear, I hope and think, to those very good people, once and 
for all, that they can never get what they want from the Democratic Party.


What happens to Bernie and those people politically after that depends 
on what Bernie does. if he fights like hell with his plurality all the 
way through, refuses to accept whatever centrist the DNC picks, and 
calls for a Demexit and third party, then he, those people, and the 
movement he led, will be alive and kicking.


If he accepts himself and his “us” being brushed aside, embraces the 
DNC’s centrist pick, and does “everything in my power” to keep their 
game going—well, I hope and think his supporters will see once and for 
all that they can never get what they want from the Democratic Party or 
from him, and it will be the political death of both of them. Bernie 
will then have sheepdogged from the top dog position.


full: 
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/01/31/the-partys-over-bernies-last-dance-with-the-dems/

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