Re: [Marxism] Iran: Whose Side Are You On?

2009-07-31 Thread S. Artesian
J does a masterful job of not providing answers to the questions that I asked. Instead we get an explanation of dialectics. But what J offers has nothing to do with dialectics as expounded by Hegel in the Science of Logic, or as demonstrated by Marx in Capital. And what constitutes the core of

[Marxism] Iran: Whose Side Are You On?

2009-07-30 Thread Jscotlive
Sartesian: J's uncritical endorsement gets us behind Arafat and Fatah as anti-imperialist in the 70s, only to have Arafat and Fatah lead an accommodation [charitable choice of word] to imperialism. Then it gets us today to the uncritical endorsement of Hamas as anti-imperialist. Reply:

Re: [Marxism] Iran: Whose Side Are You On?

2009-07-30 Thread Louis Proyect
Mehmet Cagatay wrote: I suspect that Jake guy might be Louis as well, intending to discredit the proponents of MZine position by employing scandalous expressions such as (self-identified) Iranian Marxists. No, it was me posing as another contributor named lidia who kept accusing me of

Re: [Marxism] Iran: Whose Side Are You On?

2009-07-30 Thread Louis Proyect
jlev...@earthlink.net wrote: It's understandable that you want to change the subject. Thanks for re-posting my earlier comments; I stand by them Stand by whatever you want, but you clearly had no business citing me, especially when it comes to the Ukraine. That was exactly one of those

Re: [Marxism] Iran: Whose Side Are You On?

2009-07-30 Thread Louis Proyect
S. Artesian wrote: Is that true, Lou? I spent my time arguing with Lidia whom I thought was a first-class unreconstructed moron suitable for KGB employment, when all the time it was you? Geez I guess on the internet nobody does know if you're a dog or not. Didn't know you had a bit of

Re: [Marxism] Iran: Whose Side are You On?

2009-07-29 Thread jlevich
The latest article rejects the editorial position of MRZine and of course will help serve to buttress the online publication's rapidly sinking credibility. The NY Times follows the same path when it includes somebody like Barbara Ehrenreich on their op-ed page. Sure, MRZine couldn't possibly

Re: [Marxism] Iran: Whose Side are You On?

2009-07-29 Thread Mehmet Cagatay
A ridiculous statement appeared here yesterday which asserts supporting anti-imperialism is the ABC of Marxism. If it is so, at least considering the current conditions in Turkey, it means as Marxists we should side with every reactionary political position since the link that combines them

Re: [Marxism] Iran: Whose Side are You On?

2009-07-29 Thread Tom Cod
makes sense. You are confusing two things. Marxists back colonial resistance to imperialism, but he never would have backed such a government against its own people. _ Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in

Re: [Marxism] Iran: Whose Side are You On?

2009-07-29 Thread Mehmet Cagatay
I was about to write a similar response, that I doubt Mr. Cod is confusing colonialist military occupation with a particular stage of capitalism which was defined by Lenin with purely economic concepts. Since in the former, the principal contradiction is between occupying forces and those

Re: [Marxism] Iran: Whose Side are You On?

2009-07-29 Thread S. Artesian
Message - From: Tom Cod t...@hotmail.com To: sartes...@earthlink.net Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Iran: Whose Side are You On? Yeah, so what's the bottom line in your view? YOU MUST clip all extraneous text

Re: [Marxism] Iran: Whose Side are You On? Your own.

2009-07-29 Thread Craig Brozefsky
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Richard Fidlerrfidle...@sympatico.ca wrote: those actions. Similarly, we can and should defend the Iranian government against imperialist threats and attacks, while in no way giving political support to the clerical regime. Why is this so difficult to