Re: [Marxism] Marx/Hegel

2009-09-10 Thread Dogan Gocmen
In the evet of WW I Lenin went and studied Hegel's logic. Marx has to be studied with his sources: philosophical, political economic, political and so on. Historical approach that Marx higly valued applies laso to the study of Marx. Dogan Göcmen (http://dogangocmen.wordpress.com/) Author of Th

[Marxism] Marx/Hegel

2009-09-09 Thread Leonardo Kosloff
Rakesh wrote "Marx explains himself well enough that further study of Hegel's logic would shed no light at all on what he is saying." While I strongly disagree with this ultra-pragmatist way of putting things, (Marx spoke highly of Hegel, yeah yeah recognizing his bourgeois limitations

Re: [Marxism] Marx/Hegel

2009-09-08 Thread Bhaskar Sunkara
I don't see how I could misrepresent since I didn't read, much less reply to your post. But since I befuddled you isn't /materialisme aleatoire/ a fundamental rejection of dialectical materialism? Wasn't a common theme of Althusser's works the attempt to rid Marxism of the idealism that cr

Re: [Marxism] Marx/Hegel

2009-09-08 Thread Mark Lause
No, you misrepresent what I said (again). The original statement was that Marx stands alone and that people shouldn't have to read Hegel to understand Marx. My argument is that people may well get a great deal out of reading Hegel...or Gramsci...or Althusser. Your have once more befuddled me wit

Re: [Marxism] Marx/Hegel

2009-09-08 Thread Bhaskar Sunkara
Many Marxist thinkers don't deal with dialectics, namely Gramsci with his philosophy of Praxis and Althusser's writings on contradictions in *For Marx *. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@

Re: [Marxism] Marx/Hegel

2009-09-08 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
Mark, The claim is that one can only understand Marx if one has mastered the whole of Hegel's logic, not that a mastery of Hegel's logic may allow a few individuals to better appreciate Marx's Capital. Lenin's claim strikes me as false; so does Dunayevskaya's claims about the Hegelian absolut

Re: [Marxism] Marx/Hegel

2009-09-08 Thread Mark Lause
To be frank, this really sounds like an invitation to a silly discussion. The simple fact is that people are different. And lhow they approach things may change. Marx or Hegel or any other writer may connect with different individuals. And they will often do so differently lfor different people

[Marxism] Marx/Hegel

2009-09-08 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
To be sure, Marx coquettes with Hegel in his analysis of the value form as a unity of opposities, but Marx explains himself well enough that further study of Hegel's logic would shed no light at all on what he is saying. Just read Marx. Carefully. For example: http://tiny.cc/GsfFk Commoditie