Nestor wrote:
>Had the war been waged as a war for 
>the extension of socialism, 
>officers on the field, and every soldier 
>to the last, would have had strict 
>political orders to repress rapists 
>on the spot. Shootings included, if 
>necessary. It is politics that leads 
>war, not the other way round.
>
Nestor is absolutely right that the
Red Army and the Soviet government
bear the responsibility for the 
criminal acts committed by their 
soldiers in the field. We must also
bear in mind though that while politics
always aspires to lead war, it is not 
always the case. The Red soldiers, sailors
and workers that stormed the Winter
Palace were definitely fighting 
for socialism. It is also true that 
when the comrades discovered the 
vast wine cellars a good many of 
them were drunk off their butt for 
about two days before order and 
discipline were restored.

It is evident to me that the order
and discipline of the Soviet Army 
regarding looting and rape dissolved 
when they hit German territory. I 
believe the top leadership on the 
spot, political and military lost 
control and the atrocities
ensued. It was an unbelievably savage 
zone of conflict at the end of an 
unbelievably savage campaign. In 1945
Soviet soldiers captured by the 
Germans were beaten to death on the 
spot with the small shovels 
(entrenching tool) carried by 
infantrymen.

Once again, the tenet of the 
totalitarian school believes that 
the evil dictatorship has such 
overwhelming social control that
everything done must be according 
to an official directive. The top 
Soviet priority in the spring of 1945
was to finish off the Nazis as 
quickly as possible and everythng
else became secondary. This was 
tragic for German civilians and
a political disaster when the 
Soviets had to then construct an regime
in East Germany founded on the premise
of eternal friensdship between the 
German and Soviet peoples. The security 
services on the ground knew this which 
is why they were sending those anguished
reports. Does this imply that mass rape
was an organized goal of Stavka and 
the Politburo? Mark has so contended 
and the evidence does not support him.

Could it just be that there were many
other instances in Soviet history
when the party and the government 
were responding to events as they 
imperfectly understood them and, 
in essence, lost control of
situations they were essentially 
reacting to? Was everything in the 
Stalin era a cynical ploy by people 
without commitment to anything other 
than their own murderous hold on power? 
This is an open historical question 
and one which is at the heart of Mark's 
vehemence toward other comrades
on this list.



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