Re: [Marxism] Texts against Religion

2009-09-10 Thread Einde O'Callaghan
guava tree wrote: > here are some solid books from the 17th century: > Two interesting contemporary general discussions on religion: John Molyneux: More than opium - Marxism & religion Roland Boer: The full story: On Marxism & religion

Re: [Marxism] The Deification of Matthew Shepard

2009-09-10 Thread John
The article David posted is odious; nothing in that man's life has any bearing on his brutal murder. But the issue of hate crimes is a separate one. It's a logical extension of hate speech as a criminal offence. If someone is brutally murdered the perpetrator should be held accountable. Whether or

[Marxism] The difficulties of becoming Vietnamese

2009-09-10 Thread John E. Norem
Heinz Schütte. Zwischen den Fronten: Deutsche und österreichische Überläufer zum Viet Minh. Berlin Logos Verlag Berlin, 2006. 371 pp. EUR 39.90 (paper), ISBN 978-3-8325-1312-2. Reviewed by Quinn Slobodian (Department of History, Wellesley College) Published on H-German (September, 2009) Com

Re: [Marxism] Texts against Religion

2009-09-10 Thread guava tree
here are some solid books from the 17th century: Spinoza: tractatus theologico-politicus, and then "ethics" if you are in the mood to know a system in which there is no chance for a god or spirituality or "deism" whatsoever. . unknown author: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treatise_of_the_Three

Re: [Marxism] last night's town hall meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Mark Lause
Do people really think about what they're saying? I think even an attempt at the assassination of President Obama would have exactly the opposite effect. I have had cats who think ahead better than that "Mad Fifth" of the American people *the roughly 20% I've talked off at times). We're watchi

Re: [Marxism] marxist biographies

2009-09-10 Thread Mark Lause
The new titles are welcome. I didn't simply mean that the biographies are of "great" as opposed to "obscure," but also that the biographies given early are of people whose politics we tend to like. Iconic in that sense. What about a Marxist biography of Franklin Roosevelt? Or Susan B. Anthony?

Re: [Marxism] India: An Update from Lalgarh

2009-09-10 Thread Rajesh Roy
Hello comrade EPoliticus, my remark was a criticism of Maoist violence in Bengal, and their opportunistic alliance with Mamta Banerjee against the CPI(M).. I support the CPI(M).. over the last five days, about 15 people including CPI(M) cadre have been murdered by these petty criminals who dre

Re: [Marxism] last night's town hall meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 9/10/2009 9:21:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, russo.matth...@gmail.com writes: one of the best things that could come out of the Obama experience would be if one of the right wing's wacko minions were to (heaven forbid, of course) actually assassinate Obama.The righteous

Re: [Marxism] marxist biographies

2009-09-10 Thread glparramatta
A few about and by Marxists I've found interesting and recommend: Karl Marx, Man and Fighter by Boris Nicolaievsky and otto Maenchen-Helfen (Pelican, 1976 -- original 1933) And from the southern hemisphere: Australia: Communism: A Love Story (bio of Guido Baracchi), By Jeff Sparrow, Melbourne

Re: [Marxism] Texts against Religion

2009-09-10 Thread Christopher Hutchinson
I really enjoyed John Bellamy Fosters, Critique of Intelligent Design and think it is well worth the read. best, Christopher On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Richard Menec wrote: > Paul Papadeas asked: > > > What is a solid list of books that you recommend critiquing organized > > religion and

Re: [Marxism] Texts against Religion

2009-09-10 Thread Richard Menec
Paul Papadeas asked: > What is a solid list of books that you recommend critiquing organized > religion and/or Christianity (Protestanism in general)- both from the past > and modern? A fellow by the name of Upton Sinclair did quite a muckraking job with the publication of "The Profits of Reli

[Marxism] The End of Healthcare History? Let ’s Hope Not

2009-09-10 Thread Bhaskar Sunkara
http://theactivist.org/blog/the-end-of-healthcare-history-lets-hope-not *Jeff Muckensturm is Web Coordinator and grant writer for Healthcare-NOW!, an organization fighting for a national, single-payer healthcare system* Y

Re: [Marxism] last night's town hall meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Matthew Russo
My own view is that the "health care reform" battle is toast, put a fork in it. "Reform" here is an even better government organized and subsidized "health" industry cartel with a lot of prime low risk customers "mandated" to buy their product., in exchange for some obvious regulatory reforms conc

Re: [Marxism] Winston Churchill nostalgia?

2009-09-10 Thread Louis Proyect
Gary MacLennan wrote: > > As for Churchill himself he was a military disaster and a racist imperialist > to his core. I once saw a program that talked about how he did not go north > to address the Yorkshire miners during WW2 until after the Battle of > Stalingrad. I would bet anything that he wa

Re: [Marxism] Winston Churchill nostalgia?

2009-09-10 Thread Gary MacLennan
A very interesting piece Lou. I am posting here in case a thread develops around Churchill. I wonder what Paddy thinks of it all? Myself thinks that this is standard English left liberal fare. We Irish know the English so well. Land of hope and glory and Rule Britannia always seem to have mass a

[Marxism] Bankers plan to buy ‘life settlement s'

2009-09-10 Thread J Rothermel
Profiting on death 10 September 2009 Investment banks are planning ways to bet on the life and death of individuals with life insurance policies, as described in an article published in the /New York Times /on Sunday. “The bankers plan to buy ‘life settlements,’ life insurance polic

Re: [Marxism] marxist biographies

2009-09-10 Thread Einde O'Callaghan
Mark Lause wrote: > The responses on this thread have so far centered on iconography. I > wonder what this tells us about the extent to which bits of Marxism > wind up subsumed back into the "great man" assumptions about history. > Actually several of the books I and others mentioned attempt to

Re: [Marxism] Texts against Religion

2009-09-10 Thread Einde O'Callaghan
Paul Papadeas wrote: > Comrades! > > What is a solid list of books that you recommend critiquing organized > religion and/or Christianity (Protestanism in general)- both from the past > and modern? > > I was thinking, Kautsky's Foundations of Christianity as a starter? > > Any help would

Re: [Marxism] J. Mackler replies to A. Cockburn/CounterPunch on anti-war movement

2009-09-10 Thread nada
In my personal reply to Jeff I noted he could of not had that last 10% of the letter where Walsh is mentioned. It only distracts from the overall issue and Cockburn's own weird politics. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message

Re: [Marxism] List posting statistics & replying to articles

2009-09-10 Thread Les Schaffer
Jeff wrote: > Well I just did some quick statistics that you can chew on. cool, will check it out later tonite > However please do not call me a "forwarding junky" as I forward very > little. sorry, clarification: by "forwarding junkie" i meant those who like to *receive* lots of forward

[Marxism] Report on crackdown on Iranian reformists

2009-09-10 Thread Louis Proyect
See the link below please for translation of lead article from issue #44 of Khiaban newspaper; a commentary on the latest arrests of reformist leaders, including top aides to Karroubi and Moussavi, and also the closing of reformist party/organizations' offices. This latter included office of th

Re: [Marxism] Lars Lih on Lenin, Kautsky, and 1914

2009-09-10 Thread Shane Mage
On Sep 10, 2009, at 3:37 PM, Bhaskar Sunkara wrote: > http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/784/leninkautsky.php But Lih fails to recognize how Lenin's sense of betrayal spun him into the absurd ultra-leftist calls for "civil war" and "defeatism" that resulted in his sectarian "Zimmerwald Left" (a

[Marxism] List posting statistics & replying to articles

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff
At 14:46 10/09/09 -0400, Les Schaffer wrote: > > >i challenge Jeff or any of the forwarding junkies to go to the archives >and do a survey of forwarded articles and see how many turn into >discussion. i've put this challenge out before and no one has bit. Well I just did some quick statistics t

Re: [Marxism] J. Mackler replies to A. Cockburn/CounterPunch on anti-war movement

2009-09-10 Thread Mark Lause
I know John Walsh. He is a libertarian, but a very thorough democrat and a sound radical... He very much favors single payer health care reform, etc. He's driven me mad with his periodic dogmatism about socialism, but he's a dedicated radical who has very persistently organized good demos agains

[Marxism] Source and correction for a Marx quote

2009-09-10 Thread Intense Red
I was wondering if someone would be kind enough to whack me with a clue-bat. I recall a Karl Marx quote about atheism, which went something like this: The greatest service that we can render to God is to make atheism a compulsory religious dogma. Or something along those lines. Is anyone

[Marxism] J. Mackler replies to A. Cockburn/CounterPunch on anti-war movement

2009-09-10 Thread nada
*Alexander Cockburn’s light is out at the end of the tunnel!* BY JEFF MACKLER [/Jeff Mackler is the National Secretary of Socialist Action and a national antiwar leader for the past 45 years. For more information, visit www.socialistaction.org , jmack...@lmi.ne

[Marxism] There's something you don't see every day...

2009-09-10 Thread Mark Lause
- Original Message - From: "Seth Wigderson" To: Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: Faculty win in Michigan From: Michael Honey I went to Oakland University as an undergraduate from 1965-69. At the time, there were only 2,500 students, and it was intended to be a humani

[Marxism] Van Jones - a moment of truth for liberal institutions in the veal pen

2009-09-10 Thread Dennis Brasky
> > < > http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/ > > > > > The late Brazilian bishop Dom Hélder Câmara said it well: “When I give food > to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, > they call m

Re: [Marxism] marxist biographies

2009-09-10 Thread Louis Proyect
Mark Lause wrote: > The responses on this thread have so far centered on iconography. I > wonder what this tells us about the extent to which bits of Marxism > wind up subsumed back into the "great man" assumptions about history. > A couple of the Cliff Conner books were about obscure figures.

Re: [Marxism] marxist biographies

2009-09-10 Thread Mark Lause
The responses on this thread have so far centered on iconography. I wonder what this tells us about the extent to which bits of Marxism wind up subsumed back into the "great man" assumptions about history. ML YOU MUST clip all extraneous text whe

Re: [Marxism] Haymarket Releases Paperback Editions of HM Book Series

2009-09-10 Thread guava tree
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Louis Proyect wrote: > > Excellent. > > Now if we can only get to read the HM Journal articles in their entirety > a year after they were published or something like that. > You can. Do you have an "Access" card from the New York Public Library? If you don't you'

Re: [Marxism] Texts against Religion

2009-09-10 Thread Paul Papadeas
Comrades!   What is a solid list of books that you recommend critiquing organized religion and/or Christianity (Protestanism in general)- both from the past and modern?   I was thinking, Kautsky's Foundations of Christianity as a starter?   Any help would be greatly appreciated! _

[Marxism] Good Billions After Bad

2009-09-10 Thread Dennis Brasky
> > > > As the Bush administration waned, the Treasury shoveled more than a > quarter of a trillion dollars in tarp funds into the financial > system—without restrictions, accountability, or even common sense. The > authors reveal how much of it ended up in the wrong hands, doing the > opposite of

[Marxism] Lars Lih on Lenin, Kautsky, and 1914

2009-09-10 Thread Bhaskar Sunkara
http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/784/leninkautsky.php also recommended is his first article from last week: http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/783/index.php YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@list

Re: [Marxism] Obama’s solution is to pay the enemy

2009-09-10 Thread Eli Stephens
"I kind of thought insuring every American was the “end,” and the only way to do that is with the public option." I hope this refers to Obama's idea of the "end" and not the author's. Because MY idea of the "end" is universal health CARE, not universal INSURANCE. Eli Stephens Left I on the

[Marxism] Winston Churchill nostalgia?

2009-09-10 Thread Louis Proyect
In recent weeks, the high-profile Socialist Unity blog in Britain (ranked 420,070 by Alexa; by comparison Lenin’s Tomb is number 363,494 in traffic) has featured articles that attempt to salvage the reputation of Winston Churchill within the context of commemorating the WWII “people’s antifasci

Re: [Marxism] The Deification of Matthew Shepard

2009-09-10 Thread Adam Richmond
Some people will pick any port in a storm including this disgusting opinion piece by Gabriel Arana. This article parrots the phony moralism of the right in denying the truth about the cruel, degrading murder of Mr. Shepard. This despicable article nothing but a fig leaf on middle class distain

Re: [Marxism] Long posts not allowed??

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff
At 15:56 10/09/09 +, you wrote: >Patrick Bond mail.ngo.za> writes: > >> >> I'm voting, as usual, for full posting of articles - copyrights be damned. >> >> The reason is that I sit at the base of Africa (in Durban) I also got a chuckle when I heard the story about them getting data transfer

[Marxism] On Barak Obama (Tuesday, January 20, 2009)

2009-09-10 Thread johnaimani
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 On Barak Obama By John A. Imani Member of the Revolutionary Autonomous Communities. Let's face it, comrades, we have our hands full. With the system in shatters all around us, capitalism had played its last card: it has elected ($700,000,000) a young, gifted and black

Re: [Marxism] The Deification of Matthew Shepard

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff
At 11:24 10/09/09 -0500, you wrote: >Les Schaffer wrote: >> >> David Thorstad becomes the first marxmailer to enter my kill file. I don't have a "kill file" but he's had an entry for some time in my "Counterproductive file." It wouldn't have bothered me a second that he had no interest in partic

Re: [Marxism] Change for the worse in Argentina

2009-09-10 Thread Louis Proyect
S. Artesian wrote: > And of course, by the 1700s, capitalism is well established in the English > countryside. Much if not most of Brenner's works up to and including his > Merchants and Revolution is concerned with the period prior to the 18th > Century. Not if it is defined on the basis of r

Re: [Marxism] Obama supporter disappointed by health-care speech

2009-09-10 Thread Mark Lause
Congressman Barney Frank pointed out that Obama's fetish about bipartisanship is fundamentally anti-democratic. Frank said something to the effect that, we had an election and the Republicans lost. Now you have a Democratic government that doesn't want to do anything that the people who lost the

Re: [Marxism] Change for the worse in Argentina

2009-09-10 Thread S. Artesian
Certainly would like to know a little bit about those actions to preserve water resources that were distinct from the conerns with maintaining profit, crops, herds, economic survival. And of course, by the 1700s, capitalism is well established in the English countryside. Much if not most of Br

Re: [Marxism] The Deification of Matthew Shepard

2009-09-10 Thread David Thorstad
Les Schaffer wrote: > > David Thorstad becomes the first marxmailer to enter my kill file. > this is pathetic. > > Les = Huh? What is pathetic is the kneejerk support for "hate-crimes" legislation, and this critique was cogent. Talk about a closed mind. David __

Re: [Marxism] Long posts not allowed??

2009-09-10 Thread Les Schaffer
Patrick Bond mail.ngo.za> writes: > > I'm voting, as usual, for full posting of articles - copyrights be damned. > > The reason is that I sit at the base of Africa (in Durban) and I think > it's fair to say that this entire continent suffers a huge digital > divide in getting quick and reliab

Re: [Marxism] Soviet supercomputing.

2009-09-10 Thread Andrew Pollack
Start with Michael Ellman's book on Soviet planning. Also google Kantorovich, linear programming, Lieberman reforms. Years ago I stumbled on an entire book about the use of computers in Soviet economics but will have to dig it up. My recollection is that the use of computers for planning, coming at

Re: [Marxism] marxist biographies

2009-09-10 Thread Bhaskar Sunkara
Isaac Deutscher, Maurice Isserman On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Louis Proyect wrote: > Cliff Conner is a Trotskyist who has specialized in writing biographies: > > 1. Jean Paul Marat: Scientist and Revolutionary > > 2. Colonel Despard: The Life And Times Of An Anglo-irish Rebel > > 3. Arthur

Re: [Marxism] Change for the worse in Argentina

2009-09-10 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky
Well, I don´t remember if I established some caveat on my posting: all what I said is concrete, there is no way to establish socialism in Arg today. 2009/9/10 Louis Proyect : > Néstor Gorojovsky wrote: >> One of the means by which the oligarchy has been defending the extensive >> agrarian system w

Re: [Marxism] marxist biographies

2009-09-10 Thread Louis Proyect
Cliff Conner is a Trotskyist who has specialized in writing biographies: 1. Jean Paul Marat: Scientist and Revolutionary 2. Colonel Despard: The Life And Times Of An Anglo-irish Rebel 3. Arthur O'Connor: The Most Important Irish Revolutionary You May Never Have Heard of __

Re: [Marxism] Change for the worse in Argentina

2009-09-10 Thread Louis Proyect
Néstor Gorojovsky wrote: > One of the means by which the oligarchy has been defending the extensive > agrarian system was to highlight the "ecological sense" of a system where > agriculture was ancillary to husbandry, thus fertilizing the land > "naturally" between crops by putting cattle in cropla

[Marxism] 25 years ago, an Arg city mobilized against an US fleet

2009-09-10 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky
Today is the 25th anniversary of the "Madrinazo", the day when the people of the seaside and seaport town of Puerto Madryn, Chubut, took the streets to prevent a USAmerican group of "Atlantic South Force" battleships to enter harbor. The action was succesful, the fleet could not moor at Madryn, and

[Marxism] marxist biographies

2009-09-10 Thread John E. Norem
I'm writing to ask the list members if they can name any biographies written from a marxist/communist/socialist perspective. The biographies can be of anyone, I'm not particular. I'd just like to get an idea of whether members think such books exist and if they can recommend any. Thanks in advan

Re: [Marxism] last night's town hall meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Shane Mage
On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Bill O'Connor wrote: > Andrew Pollack writes: > >> OK, it wasn't a town hall meeting, but given the disruptions by >> Republicans at Obama's healthcare speech it might as well have been. >> Or the House of Commons Shane Mage > This cosmos did none of gods or men

Re: [Marxism] last night's town hall meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Bill O'Connor
Andrew Pollack writes: > OK, it wasn't a town hall meeting, but given the disruptions by > Republicans at Obama's healthcare speech it might as well have been. > See the Post's account: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/09/AR2009090902298.html?hpid=topnews > This beha

[Marxism] last night's town hall meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Andrew Pollack
OK, it wasn't a town hall meeting, but given the disruptions by Republicans at Obama's healthcare speech it might as well have been. See the Post's account: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/09/AR2009090902298.html?hpid=topnews This behavior is a first at a Presidential s

[Marxism] Obama’s solution is to pay the enemy

2009-09-10 Thread Louis Proyect
http://trueslant.com/allisonkilkenny/2009/09/09/obamas-solution-is-to-pay-the-enemy/ Allison Kilkenny Unreported Obama’s solution is to pay the enemy During his speech before a joint session of Congress, President Obama called for the creation of insurance exchanges, a system designed to allow

[Marxism] Joel Kovel critique of Naomi Klein on Zionism

2009-09-10 Thread Louis Proyect
http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/22558 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archiv

[Marxism] Obama supporter disappointed by health-care speech

2009-09-10 Thread Louis Proyect
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/reviewing-president-rahm_b_281559.html The Huffington Post September 10, 2009 David Sirota Reviewing President Rahm Emanuel's Health Care Speech Not to be too much of a downer, but I found Obama's speech tonight a big O-bummer. Really, other than his ver

[Marxism] Change for the worse in Argentina

2009-09-10 Thread Louis Proyect
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/09/AR2009090903211.html Day of the Gaucho Waning in Argentina Cattle Being Moved Off Plains and Into U.S.-Style Feedlots By Juan Forero Washington Post Foreign Service Thursday, September 10, 2009 MAGDALENA, Argentina -- Cattle once rul

Re: [Marxism] Marx/Hegel

2009-09-10 Thread Dogan Gocmen
In the evet of WW I Lenin went and studied Hegel's logic. Marx has to be studied with his sources: philosophical, political economic, political and so on. Historical approach that Marx higly valued applies laso to the study of Marx. Dogan Göcmen (http://dogangocmen.wordpress.com/) Author of Th