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I am trying to give my help from my workplace. But if a lesson is to
be learnt, comrades, it is that no revolution can be fuieled from
abroad. We all hope that the Tunisian insurrection has replies the
Arab world over (but how will things evolve?) but I am afraid that
there is little we can do to help. Unless we go there, choose a
political group we consider similar to our views, and humbly offer our
backs to hold the heavy load of the grey everyday task of making a
revolution.

2011/1/16 Manuel Barrera mtom...@hotmail.com:
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 Greg said: The writer of this piece is a frequent commentator on Middle 
 East.


 Unfortunately, Saikal, almost buries his most important observation: Ben 
 Ali's overthrow may inject new energy into opposition forces across the Arab 
 world. Egypt is most vulnerable. The clear promise of Tunisia is in the 
 chance that the Arab people's will indeed follow suit throughout the 
 diaspora. These events have the potential not only to inject new energy but 
 to reinvigorate the mass movements that grew just two years ago in Iran and 
 bring new hope to the Palestinian Intifada. What would be of significant 
 importance is if the Latin American leaderships were to extend their hands to 
 the Tunisian peoples and bring a widespread wave of solidarity. Comrades on 
 this list, especially in the areas of recent mobilization (France, U.K., la 
 América Latina?) have unique opportunities now. It will be interesting and 
 hopeful to see if Cuba will reach out. For all the rest of us--Solidarity!
 
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Re: [Marxism] Uri Avnery about Greater Libanon and Greater Israel

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2011/1/17 Lüko Willms lueko.wil...@t-online.de:

 Avnery is a
 permanent nuisance to the Zionist establishment, a thorn in their flesh. One
 of the internal contradictions of Zionism, this colonial adventure which has
 turned Palestine into the most dangerous place a Jew can live.


The very idea that there can be an Israeli nationality is, whether
Avneri knows this or not, a torpedo against the Zionist theses. That
is what, IMHO, Arafat saw so clearly. It is not important, for the
time being, whether Avnery wants the expelled Arabs to remain outside
Israel or not. In fact, if equal citizenship were awarded to every
Israeli SUBJECT (not citizen in the French Revolution, that is fully
bourgeois, political sense), sooner or later there would be a majority
of Arab citizens, and then -end of story.

It is not a matter of chance that Avnery began his political carreer
during the first half of the 60s by suggesting the Canaanite option
EXACTLY AT THE SAME TIME when Ben Gurion expressed fears that Israel
would Orientalize itself, e.g. end assimilated to its neighbors.

I always cherish the Austro Hungarian example on these issues, among
other reasons because Hertzl´s solution to the Jewish problem in
Europe was tailored exactly in the Austro Hungarian model. What would
have happened to that Empire if one day EVERY CITIZEN IN THE EMPIRE
HAD BEEN CONSIDERED JUST THAT, AN AHE CITIZEN AND NOT A SUBJECT OF ONE
OF THE MANY NATIONALITIES THAT FORMED IT? It would have dissolved
into nothingness. And of course if the AHE had had the time, then the
Eastern nationalities, a majority in the population, would have
drowned the German nationality in an ocean of Oriental
peasantry-based new national AHE bourgeoisie as against German
aristocrats of Imperial privilege.

   Actually, the interesting piece in my previous contribution is what Avnery
 tells about the history of the sectarian setup of Libanon, which is -- in my
 opinion -- really worth reading.


 Cheers,
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Re: [Marxism] Hochschild on Lumumba

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Any known relation between this Adam Hochschild and the Hochschild
family who, togeher with Aramayo and Patiño, were known as the
Bolivian Barons of Tin and ran what was also known as the Super
State of the mining companies?



2011/1/17 Jim Farmelant farmela...@juno.com:
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 Yesterday was  the 50th anniversary of his assassination:

 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/17/opinion/17hochschild.html


 Jim Farmelant
 http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant
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 Learn or Review Basic Math
 
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 If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program
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Re: [Marxism] Why Tunisia's Revolution Is Islamist-Free

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You can weight the importance of an-Nahda by observing that, contrary
to what happens almost everywhere outside Tunisia, they need to reach
agreements with the secular opposition to have some impact in Tunisian
politics.

And I think (as I feel I have already stated) that were it not for the
fact that the Islamicists are weak, the Army might not have stood in
defense of the popular revolts against the thugs of the regime.

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 Sorry, this is my 6th message and I'm over the limit, but I've received
 a lot of messages off-list.

 OK. The Islamic organization An-Nahda still exists in certain rural
 regions of Tunisia. It has survived a very brutal government crackdown
 (To what extent? Has it been completely infiltrated by the mukhabarat ?)
 Recently it has led protests in towns and villages.

 OK. In large urban centres, the TCP-W (Tunisian Communist Workers'
 Party) has also had some influence and has been trying to organize.

 OK. Ben ALi is gone. Free and fair elections will be held over the
 coming months (or so it seems).

 I stand corrected. An-Nahda is still present in the countryside.

 So the revolution is not Islamist-free. But what weight does
 An-Nahda really have ?






 
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[Marxism] Poll data on IRELAND 2011 General Election????

2011-01-10 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Could someone give me the results of the following polls?

2011/1/10 Ratbag Media ratbagra...@gmail.com:
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 Kieran took up the popular mass media question “Why are the Irish Not
 Protesting”? -  he argued voters are “waiting in the long grass” for
 Fianna Fáil

 Link :

 http://politicalreform.ie/2011/01/07/redcpaddypowerpoll7jan2011/



 and that the leaders of the Trade Unions and Labour Leader Éamlonn
 Gilmore are trying to damp down the expectations of an angry people.

 A series of opinion polls have shown that a left force which will not
 sell out could win 5 to 7 TD’s (Teachtaí Dála) in the General Election
 likely to be held in march 2011.  The ULA needs to make this step
 forward, and then proceed towards forming a new working class party,
 that includes a number of tendencies or platforms.


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Re: [Marxism] Algerian and Tunisian riots

2011-01-10 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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However right Dan may be (or not), the hard fact is that Ismail´s
point is THE point at stake when it comes to imperialist media
coverage of both Iran and Morocco. If a fly is killed in a car running
along a lonely countryside road in Iran by a government official, be
sure a wave of outraged acrimony will swamp the media. If a couple
dozens Moroccan workers are slaughtered by a government official in
the main square of Marrakech, a couple of lines at most will mark
their global obituary.

This should be telling something, I think, Daniel.

Unless, of course, we believe imperialism ceased to exist.

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If this were happening in Iran, it would be in the news incessantly,
 with much finger-wagging against the repressive regime.
  Because it's happening in two of the sclerotic despotisms the West supports
 (not least as allies in the war on terror), it barely registers.

 Well, it don't matter mister whether it is the Iranian regime keeping
 the unemployed in line in Teheran with bullets or the Tunisian regime
 doing the same with CIA-backing, or the French, or the US regime for
 that matter.

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[Marxism] Lula´s achievements

2010-12-20 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Carlos Eduardo R. (BTW, please LEARN PORTUGUESE, get and read his book
on Trotsky and real socialism, it is EXCEPTIONAL!) sums up the
Lula period as:

Primo, a more or less universal welfare dole – that had attracted
millions of cronically unemployed and excluded out of the rackteering
networks of social assistance kept by bourgeois politicians into
working-class electoral politics; secundo, an empowerment of Brazil as
an international force commited to the advocacy of the “right of
peoples to dispose of themselves” viz., in the Iran low-grade uranium
deal and in recognizal of the Palestinian state in its 1967 borders;
tertio, Lula’ person as such, as the meaning of a former lathe-worker
with a solely tradeunionist, working-class politics background was
(and is) an ideological shock to a very, very reactionary ruling
class.

Whoever does not understand the IMMENSE social and political impact of
points one and three should certainly NOT dare speak of Brazil.

There is a mythical idea that all of Brazil has become a modern,
integrated, dynamic economy more or less as if South Korea had swollen
itself up to 8 million sq km and 200 million people. There is also a
mythical idea that the Brazilian ruling class is as reactionary as,
say, the German bourgeoisie.

Whoever keeps stuck to such BS shibboleths should follow the method of
Marx or Lenin, sit down with reams and reams of printed matter on Braz
literature, history and economy, try to read all of it, understand it,
and then very humbly begin to beg to be listened to.

The deep reactionarism of the Br ruling classes came to the fore in
1964, when even hard-boiled Leftists were amazed at the display of
sheer unhumanism and medieval social attitudes that mobilized social
support to the coup. And unless you understand that for tens of
millions in Brazil depended on the modest  welfare dole by Lula
meant a first, modest but real, introduction to the human species
(yes!) you cannot understand Brazil.



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[Marxism] [Spa] Irish worker priest victim of the 1976 regime remembered in Argentina

2010-12-07 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Source: http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-158257-2010-12-07.html

Homenaje a Patrick Rice


Organismos de derechos humanos, familiares y amigos realizarán hoy, a
las 16, un homenaje a Patrick Rice, un ex cura obrero irlandés y
“militante de la vida” que también sufrió los horrores de la dictadura
como detenido-desaparecido. El mismo se realizará en donde funcionó la
capilla de la ex Esma, donde los capellanes de la Iglesia Católica
bendecían las acciones y a los miembros de los escuadrones de la
muerte de la Armada. A cinco meses de su fallecimiento, ese lugar
pasará a llamarse a partir de hoy “Espacio Patrick Rice”.

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[Marxism] Formal correction :-)

2010-12-06 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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2010/12/5 DW dwalters...@gmail.com:


 Nestor is, formally, correct. I was projecting. However, we are, and have
 been for a decade or more, in something of a 'transitional' phase for many
 of these Brazil-like economies. S. Korea stands out, as well, China, in it's
 own way, for sure, that are beginning to behave a little like Imperialist
 countries, most notably in their export of capital.

It would be soothing to be concretely correct!

:-)

Now, serious: capital export is but one of the elements to decide
whether we are confronting an imperialist country, or not.

Manuel Ugarte, a non-Marxist Arg socialist (but a man who, when
representing the Arg Socs in a Congress of the 2nd International
supported Lenin´s positions on the colonial question against that held
up by, among others, many Dutch Marxists), summed it up in a
desperate way in relation to the stupid war games played by many
South American countries (not NATIONS) of his time: Ridiculous
Prussias that import their guns.

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[Marxism] Manuel Ugarte on imperialism and industrial growth in non-core countries

2010-12-06 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Sorry, can´t translate. But this late writing by Manuel Ugarte shows
why a non-Marxist can understand imperialism better than many
self-appointed (and anointed) Marxists:

Industria propia o extranjera
De: La reconstrucción de Hispanoamérica (póstuma) 1961.

Mientras falte la industria pesada no podremos tener verdadero
ejército, porque comprar armamentos equivale a moverse en la órbita de
rotaciones extrañas.  Sólo se obtiene cuando la finalidad perseguida
favorece las intenciones de la nación que los facilita.  Si no
construimos locomotoras, tampoco existirán ferrocarriles de pura
esencia nacional.

Por otra parte, la fachada no nos ha de engañar.  No basta que las
fábricas se instalen en nuestros territorios para que resulten
nuestras realmente.  Pueden representar, en cierto caso, una habilidad
de la industria extranjera para evitar fletes onerosos o recias
tarifas de aduana.  Pueden recibir los objetos a medio manufacturar.
Porque es dudoso que el capitalismo que impone al mundo su producción
nos provea de instrumentos para hacerle competencia renunciando a los
beneficios que hasta ahora percibe y a clientela creciente en el
porvenir.  La creación de filiales con nombres adaptados a la región
no es un comienzo de libertad, sino una confirmación de tutela.

Casos recientes permiten observar cómo puede surgir una empresa en
Iberoamérica. Un grupo oligarco-plutocrático se pone en contacto con
una gran entidad de Inglaterra o de Estados Unidos o, lo que es más
frecuente, la entidad extranjera busca en una de nuestras repúblicas
al grupo que debe secundarla.  No falta el banco, sociedad de fomentoo
lo que sea de la república en cuestión que facilite para el negocio
cincuenta millones.  La corporación extranjera se inscribe con veinte
millones que resultarán nominales, después diremos por qué.  El
público de la república iberoamericana puede llegar a suscribir en
acciones otros veinte millones.  Son pues noventa millones de pesos
que van a ser administrados por un extranjero, jefe invariable de la
empresa.  El primer acto de la nueva compañía consistirá en comprar
maquinarias en Estados Unidos o Inglaterra, maquinaria por la cual se
pagarán cincuenta millones de pesos.  De suerte que los veinte
millones que suscribió la firma siempre quedarán fuera de
iberoarnérica, más los treinta millones que salen para completar los
cincuenta, valor de la maquinaria, cuyo modelo ha sido a menudo
sobrepasado en el país de origen por otras más recientes.  La ganancia
para los de afuera es siempre segura.  Si hay albur (riesgo), pasará
sobre la república iberoamericana.  Así suelen fundarse, con
ostentosos nombres locales, algunas fábricas que nos dan la ilusión de
tener industrias y que sólo constituyen nuevos canales de absorción.

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[Marxism] [Aurelio Bujaldón, el enólogo d e la lista] El mejor malbec y algo más.

2010-12-06 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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[Cometo la infidencia de relatar en público estas dulzuras de la vida
que Aurelio nos ha transmitido en privado a algunos de sus amigos. Más
que nada pa que trinen los de ajuera. Solo eliminé una línea que
obviamente se destinaba a los elegidos y no es pa tuitos.]

Estimados,

Se va cerrando el 2010 y ahora que hago el racconto de lo que ha sido este
año, veo que hice algunas salidas este año, que me depararon gratas
sorpresas vinculadas.
Menos cháchara y vamos al grano:

En Semana Chanta cuando estuve en Ascochinga, me mandé hasta la Colonia
Caroya y pude apreciar que el frambua local es un muy rico tinto para
acompañar una picada, especialmente de delicias igualmente caroyenses: los
quesos y salames con gusto bien a campo. Todo redondeado con un pan casero y
a cortarse las venas.
Aguanten entonces, la Caroya, las picadas y los vinos cordobeses!

En Octubre por el valle Calchaquí, pude apreciar,

A) Por un lado que la Ruta 40 es la nueva columna vertebral - o vena central
- de los nuevos vinos argentinos; que están llegando y por llegar: a las
bodegas ya presentes del norte catamarqueño y salteño se agregan ahora las
de ... Tucumán y Jujuy !!!  Sí señor:
En Amaicha y Colalao ya se yerguen las salas que alojan última tecnología en
elaboración y almacenaje de bodegas novísimas, de donde saldrán los blancos
y tintos tucumanos.
Ni hablar del bruto emprendimiento francés Colomé, en un valle perdido al
Oeste de Molinos (sur de Cachi). ...Cosa de locos.
Y hasta Tilcara, en la quebrada de Humahuaca llega la más boreal de las
bodegas en suelo argentino hoy.   Ése es un viaje que me reservo hacer el
año que viene; probablemente en Semana Chanta 2011.
b) Por otro lado, de la fuerza y presencia que ha adquirido Cafayate en la
escena vinera nacional.
El torrontés ha sido mejorado enormemente.  Las bodegas tradicionales y
las nuevas - hay un montón, casi todas onda boutique - se han refinado
muchísimo especialmente en viñedo y luego en bodega, haciéndolo más límpido
en aspecto, más sutil en aroma y más sedoso en paladar; todo eso sin perder
la polenta original, que lo hace un sui-generis argento por excelencia.
Están sacando unos tannat de la gran pelota: vinos de cuerpo medio con muy
sutiles notas, más que de especias, de yuyos serranos que te dan vuelta el
mate.  Para ponerle una tetina a la botella y bajársela de una.

Mención especial, la gastronomía salteña
He morfado de maravillas, especialmente los tamales. Y el conejo, y el
cabrito, y las empanadas, y, y,... Los postres regionales son para matar un
diabético, pero una delicia al paladar, máxime acompañados con un licorcito
o aguardiente idem.
Ir a Salta en auto es un problema. Si te descuidás, para manejar de vuelta
necesitás una semana para que se te vaya el pedo y que te vuelva a calzar el
cinturón en el punto de ida.

Y la frutilla de la nota:

Como mendocino, lo declaro:  El mejor malbec argentino HOY es, por lejos, un
salteño.  El Coquena 2009 de bodega Yacochuya.

Hecho sin madera en la mini-bodega ubicada en Yacochuya, a unos 2000 metros
s/n/m; propiedad de la familia Etchart, el enólogo jefe es el franchute
Michel Rolland, con Marcos Etchart de co-equiper.  En el caso del vino
Coquena - el más simple y sencillito de los 20 a 22.000 litros anuales que
elaboran - es total autoría de Etchart.  Los otros vinos son malbecs a la
manera de los grand-cru franchutes, añejados en la mejor madera francesa.

Indescriptible, para cortarse las venas. En mi humilde opinión,...  p
e r f e c t o .
Un purasangre de putamadre.

La primer botella la compré yo allá; al pie de la vaca y de las manos del
mismo Marcos Etchart.
La primer caja la compré acá, del distribuidor en Mendoza, el Jueves pasado.

AH! AH!  El 21 de Noviembre a la noche, en un balcón de Reñaca con vista a
la bahía de Valparaiso, con otro matrimonio amigo nos bajamos un platazo de
machas a la parmesana (*) acompañadas con Toso extra-brut bien frío.
...Hace falta describir algo más de la situación?.

Salu-2

Arq. Aurelio Horacio Bujaldón
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[M5502BUD]  Mendoza
tel. (0261)     427 3149
cel. (0261-15) 513 6145
mail:   aure...@bujaldon.net; abujal...@gmail.com
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(*) A las machas frescas sobre su concha se las cubre con una fina lengua de
mantequilla salada chilena más hebras de parmesano. Dos minutos en el
microondas y listo: Se las come sin cubiertos.






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Re: [Marxism] Brazil would recognize a Palestinian UDI

2010-12-05 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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It would be a mistake to think that the Brazilian state has ever been
a client state of the USofAm.

2010/12/5 Marv Gandall marvg...@gmail.com:
 

 Brazil's public announcement of support for the Palestinian position is also 
 further
 evidence of the US's weakening hold on its former client states.)

However, it is true that the announcement has a lot to do with the
difficulties of the US bourgeoisie and government.


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Re: [Marxism] Brazil would recognize a Palestinian UDI,

2010-12-05 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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2010/12/5 DW dwalters...@gmail.com:


 A client state is a state like Bosnia or Kosovo today, one where the entire
 politics of the country is run by the US Embassy. Nothing happens without
 the US' OK.  The state *depends* on the US as opposed to only be
 influenced by it. Brazil is fast becoming a little, or not so little,
 Imperialist state all it's own, or *so it seems*. At least the capitalists
 there would like that to be the case.

I agree with the first part, disagree with the second. There are no
gradations in being an imperialist nation or not. You can´t be a
little imperialist because being imperialist implies to be accepted
by other imperialist nations as an equal partner in the exploitation
of the semicolonial world.

Grey is theory, etc., etc., etc.


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Re: [Marxism] Support /any/ struggle of the oppressed: a question whichI feel is scathing.

2010-12-03 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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I am not speaking of _union_ activism against the bourgeoisie.

I am speaking of _political_ options, that is different societal
projects in struggle.

Would you bet that /every/ oppressed group has /always/ been clear as
to the aim of their struggles?

If yes, then why political discussion at all. Let´s allow the
omniscient masses do history in spontaneity.

If not, then not every struggle by any oppressed group deserves support.

2010/12/3 Greg McDonald gregm...@gmail.com:
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 This has always been the official position of the IWW, in
 contradistinction to the AFL and other pro-business unions in the USA.
 I can't speak of unions in other countries.



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 No, we should support the workers by fighting against the
 extra-exploitation of the migrant workers, by demanding that ALL  workers
 have access to the same benefits and social services; that no tiering of
 wages be allowed; that all immigrant workers be afforded immediate union
 membership, and that no decertification of unions be allowed,.. etc. etc.
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Re: [Marxism] A comment by Diana Johnstone on A Serbian film, Croats and Muslims, and the left

2010-12-02 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

, the Muslims of
Bosnia and Kossovo, of course, had every right to accet material aid
from whomever, but in the same predicament is anyone who leads a
struggle. What we must assess is the validity of that struggle, from
the point of view of the general struggle for socialism. When your
struggle appears as an outcome of an inter-imperialist brawl within
the general imperialist movement to break apart a somewhat rebel
country, I find it difficult to support it from the point of view of
socialists. Not, of course, from the point of view of the imperialist
bourgeoisies. But I suppose Tom Cod is NOT on this latter side...


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[Marxism] Amazed

2010-12-02 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Why Stalinist like innuendo, Tom? Really, can´t see it.

2010/12/2 Tom Cod tomc...@gmail.com:




 Well, leaving aside your Stalinist like innuendo about me personally

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[Marxism] Support /any/ struggle of the oppressed: a question which I feel is scathing.

2010-12-02 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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I hope I am not trespassing any limit with this. If so, please Louis
Pr. Moderator make me know. This is not my intention.

2010/12/2 Tom Cod tomc...@gmail.com:



 One does not have to be a Bolshevik
 to appreciate Lenin's dictum in what is to be done that socialists should
 support all struggles of oppressed people.


We all agree, I guess, in that proletarians are oppressed by the
bourgeoisie everywhere, don´t we?

Should we support the struggle of the exploited Italian workers of the
Valley of the Po, oppressed as they are by their own bourgeoisie, when
they fight against the competition provided by cheap non-Italian labor
in the marketplace by supporting political parties that promote
expulsion of foreign labor?



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Re: [Marxism] A Serbian film

2010-11-30 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Maybe there is no other way to explain what the West and the local
Quislings have done to Yugoslavian peoples by the West and their local
allies in the name of Liberty (and profit earning...) Mass rapists of
the worst kind.

Dare you send a guided missile to wantonly impact at the crowded
nursery of a hospital in Belgrade?

Then watch such a film as the Serbian directors have produced. If you
dare do the worst evil in real life, you should dare watch a lesser,
fictional, evil.

At least a single newborn is raped. Not dozens murdered, burnt,
poisoned or worse.

2010/11/30 Dan d.koech...@wanadoo.fr:


 I suppose you've all heard about a Serbian film by now, the most
 horrific, disturbing film ever made. Caused an out-roar when it was
 premiered in certain festivals in the US, in England, in Germany ...

 Amidst all the controversy, I've just watched a Serbian film.

 And it's true, it is a very disturbing film, but at the same time quite
 a challenging one, in terms of understanding the motivations of the
 Serbian directors. For the film is undoubtedly a serious effort and not
 some cheap production. The actors are major Serbian actors, the shots
 are slow, wide and are the product of much prior thinking in terms of
 colours, contrasts and atmosphere. But it is also incredibly horrific.


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Re: [Marxism] Lincoln Elected 150 Years Ago This Day

2010-11-06 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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On the contrary: read The Real Lincoln, by some neoliberal historian
whose name I don´t remember now, and you will support Lincoln against
any odds.

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 I think you should reconsider your support for Lincoln.

 Read, if you haven't, William Marvel, /Mr. Lincoln Goes to War/ (2006).

 On 11/6/10 11:54 AM, Mark Lause wrote:
 The other day, I was off on an election year rant about the present
 administration and its phony baloney opposition.  One of the listeners on
 whom this rant was sadly inflicted looked at me and asked, So who's the
 last person elected president that you'd have supported?

 Well, 150 years isn't that long a time, I guess.  :-)

 
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[Marxism] [Spa] Nestor Kirchner and Ann Krüger

2010-11-05 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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From an interview with one of his four personal secretaries. Sorry, no
time for translations:

Cuando fue la negociación con el FMI fue impresionante. Lo llamaban en
nombre de Anne O. Krueger y él decía “decile que no estoy”. Así diez
veces, hasta que un día atiendo el teléfono y era la mismísima Anne
Krueger que quería hablar con Kirchner. Entonces, yo entré al
despacho, y con una cara pálida de nervios le dije “Doctor, Anne
Krueger al teléfono”. Él me miró como diciendo qué me importa.
Entonces le dije que era como la décima vez que llamaba y por el tono
de voz no está nada contenta. “Decile que no estoy, a mí el único que
me puede apretar es el pueblo”, me dijo sin que se le mueva una
pestaña.

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[Marxism] Fidel Castro on Cristina Fernández de Ki rchner

2010-10-31 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Néstor Kirchner is dead.

The imperialist media system has not paid too much attention to this
event, and the reasons were exposed by, among others, Mark Weisbrot.
In fact, they wisely organized ignorance again!

But all over South America, both extremes of the social spectrum know
what does this death mean.

The poor and lower mid-income strata of the Arg population in Buenos
Aires sent a protracted, determined, combative and loud goodbye
message to the former President who, however slightly but
unmistakably, had recovered the main guidelines of the policies of
popular nationalism established by Juan Perón and Eva Perón in the
immediate aftermath of World War 2. He also displayed a clear policy
of unification towards Latin America, and turned Argentina into the
mainstay of a newly born South American reunification (which has been
a boon both to Venezuela and Cuba, to say the least). He taught the
world that a country could say No to the IMF without at the same
time falling into civil war. He started the long awaited and never
fulfilled Augean cleanup of the representatives of imperialism and
oligarchy both in the civil service and in the military. He had the
guts to command to the Commander in Chief of the Army to bring down
the portrait of Jorge Rafael Videla in the Military College, and to
give the former ESMA to the human rights organizations.

Shortcomings? Lots of. Hundreds of. But this is not the time to bring
them to the light.

In a sense, his sought death consciously. He knew he could not keep
the maddening tempo of his political militancy without risking a
massive heart attack. But he did not stop for even a second. Death, at
last, won that struggle. But at the same time he died in a politically
useful way. In 1954, an oligarchic and imperialist conspiration
encircled the Brazilian President Getúlio Vargas and forced him to
eventually choose to kill himself, which gesture of greatness afforded
the Brazilian national revolutionary movement ten more years of life
and power. In this sense, Kirchner´s death can be equated to that of
Vargas. Because during these last few days, many Argentineans thought
about where did Kirchner start, and where they are now. The message on
a small note stuck on a fence near the Pink House reemerged: Many of
us who thank you today would not exist if you had not been President,
Néstor. Thus, the oligarchic conspiration against Cristina Fernández
receded violently, pushed back by millions of popular hands.

The forces of counter-revolution have already given their own answer
to the death of Kirchner. As Louis Proyect (BTW, the single list
member to have given some attention to this issue) showed, in an
instantaneous electrical display of brutal honesty, Arg (that is,
Arg-rape based) stocks and bonds in the NYSE rose up to 50%. Their
local counterparts were caught by Census ennumerators in joyful
lunches with champagne. This was an unexpected side result of the
Census...

Now, you have Cristina Fernández at the helm.

Alone.

The ravens and vultures would like her to be weak.

Pity for them.

See what has Fidel -according to Arévalo Méndez Romero, the current
Ven ambassador in Buenos Aires and Vice Minister of Foreign Relations
in 2003- to say about her:

Spanish version (published on Página 12, today)

DOS

“En la noche del 25 de mayo de 2003, después de la asunción de Néstor
Kirchner, tuvimos con Hugo Chávez una reunión con Fidel Castro aquí en
Buenos Aires, en el hotel. Allí, Chávez le pidió a Fidel su impresión
sobre Kirchner, a quien prácticamente no conocían. Me parece, Fidel,
por sus respuestas, por su mirada, que estamos ante un nuevo dirigente
defensor de las causas latinoamericanas, ante un nuevo aliado, le dijo
Chávez. Ante uno no, creo que ante dos, le respondió Fidel, escuchen
lo que dice su esposa, préstenle atención a esa mujer.”

English:

TWO

“During the evening of May 25th, 2003, after Néstor Kirchner took on
his post, Hugo Chávez and others, me among them, met with Fidel Castro
here, in Buenos Aires, at the hotel. Chávez requested Fidel´s opinion
on Kirchner, whom they almost did not know. Chávez told him: I think,
Fidel, that his answers, the look in his eyes, show a new leader who
will defend the Latin American cause, a new ally. Fidel replied: Not
one, I think that they are two. Listen to what his wife has to say,
pay attention to that woman.”

I bear witness: Fidel knew what he was talking about. Wait and see.

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Re: [Marxism] National armies in Latin America (please, Mark L, help) [was Re: Positive development in Ecuador?]

2010-10-13 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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 Nestor said: Yes, of course, the national army would end serving the ruling 
 class as it always, in the end, does. The question is why do you think that 
 the single class in Latin America that can lead a process of national 
 reunification is the bourgeoisie?


 First, why should we believe that a unified army of Bolivia, Venezuela, et 
 al. constitute an anti-imperialist army? Because Evo says so, or Hugo?

No. Because the USofAm say so. Ask DoD who would they rather fear, a
host of midget impossible armies or a joint army of everyone South
of the Border. It is almost absurd to have to explain this.


Do you believe that a unified army of Bolivia and other Latin American
countries (other than of Cuba, which I consider reflecting a different
class than that of those others) would represent the workers and
oppressed of those unified countries? How would that happen, by
dictate of Morales or by a proletarian revolution and mass
mobilization against both the imperialists and their partners in the
national bourgeoisies?

I believe that such an army could only be the consequence of a
revolutionary victory of the peoples of the South and Central tier of
the Americas against the Northern one. And it would happen by
Permanent REvolution in action.

 Second, I believe, Nestor, that you misunderstand my question regarding an 
 anti-imperialist army and whether I (or others?) believe that the national 
 bourgeois can lead a process of national reunification. Of course not, but 
 these are two different questions.


 Indeed, the national bourgeoisies are united in maintaining their national 
 identifies precisely against a broad unification that would result in the 
 hegemony of the working masses and the oppressed. They (the bourgeois) are 
 only interested in maintaining their rule, so, they are unlikely to seek 
 unification Except to further their rule. The imperialists will support or 
 oppose such unifications depending on whether it serves their class. There 
 really is only one class, the proletariat (in its broad conception of the 
 working masses and their allies), that is capable of promoting 
 internationalist unity, so, no, I do not believe the bourgeoisie to be 
 capable of fostering unity except the unity of dominance by capital over 
 labor.

There is no bourgeoisie worth that name South of the Border. There are
oligarchies, who really want to make everyone believe that there can
exist an Uruguayan, Guatemalan, Bolivian, Argentinean, even Brazilian
INDEPENDENT nation. The bourgeoisies (even the b in S Paulo) are
unable to understand their own historic needs, not to speak of tasks.
And the unification of Latin America is certainly NOT an
internationalist agenda. It is simply to start again where we had
begun 200 years ago: as a unified whole, now with the bridge between
Luso and Castillian Iberoamericans spanned thanks to the force of
acts.



 To conflate these two issues seems to be an evasion of the question whether 
 an anti-imperialist army as proposed here by a bourgeois government albeit 
 led by a leftist leader whose class identity has yet clearly to be defined 
 by its actions and class allegiances as anything but a bourgeois government. 
 Is Evo calling for a different revolutionary army composed of workers, 
 peasants, and indigenos or for a unification of current armies of each state 
 into a single unified anti-imperialist army? If the latter, why would a 
 call by a revolutionist (conceding for the sake of argument the still 
 questionable issue whether Evo is indeed such) to build such an army out of 
 the components of armies that constitute the armed body of the State in their 
 respective countries be anything but reflective of the class nature of the 
 state they  are organized to defend? What exactly are these armed bodies of 
 men doing to defend the working class and its march to power in Bolivia never 
 mind against U.S. imperialism?



I am not used to evade questions. When they deserve an answer. From my
own humble point of view yours brings about nothing, so I don´t feel I
should answer it. Sorry.

 It seems to me that the class nature of the respective leftist governments 
 are still in question and role of Morales, Chavez, or Correa (among others) 
 remain in question, too. There is much promise, and hope, in the 
 anti-imperialist nature of these governments, but they can Never hope to 
 transcend that promise absent a strategic march to end capitalism and the 
 mobilization of the masses to

Re: [Marxism] re statement by CONAIE

2010-10-09 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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 Nestor, Correa has said publicly the USA was not behind the coup
 attempt. I tend to agree. It was too disorganized to have been
 arranged by the US embassy, IMO. BTW,  Do you think Correa is lying?


I say Correa is smarter than US intelligence and policy makers, and won´t
buy a red herring.


 Serious case? You must be joking.  I have a second cousin who once
 worked for military intelligence. Do you think I should be strung up?


You are not a national organization whose policies have been tending to
split the Ecuadorean society along lines which may be too perilous for the
Ecuadoreans and too useful for the US Embassy. There is no comparison. At
any rate, if you have a second cousin who once worked for military
intelligence, and just in case, I will check anything you send me with a
political comissar from Cuba (joke, joke, joke, joke!!!)


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Re: [Marxism] re statement by CONAIE

2010-10-08 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Been following the whole debate on this from afar, and in the midst of
too much work to allow me to take part in it.

I am quite amazed at Greg´s position, particularly as expressed below:

 The fact is, Correa has refused time and again to implement procedures
 and policies agreed upon in the constituent assembly, Michael.  He
 keeps pandering to the right wing of his own party, rather than
 responding positively to the demands of the popular movement.

Dear Greg, when you shift whatever support you can give from an
elected president (whatever her or his political leanings and / or
political mistakes, crimes, sins, etc) to a movement by a small
fraction of the state structures, a fraction which, oh surprise, can
shoot at the president, when you do that, Greg, you are automatically
out of the popular movement whatever you understand for such a thing.

No matter what grievances CONAIE or shmotzaie can have against Correa,
if in the name of those grievances they side with an armed fraction of
the Ecuadorean state that acts under support of the Embassy of the
imperialist state of the USofAm, then you are missing the main
grievance all Equatorians share: the fact that they are ruled from
afar by an Embassy that does not hesitate to resort to the police
against the elected president of Ecuador.

And this, without even skimming the serious case that Gollinger has
made on CONAIE.

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Re: [Marxism] CONAIE denies NED Charge

2010-10-08 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Dear Juan, sorry but standing on the fence when a democratically
elected president is under attack by an US-backed gang of thugs means,
among other things and essentially, that you equate both sides as
different versions of the same thing, which can only reinforce the
side with the stronger backing. In this case,  the side backed by the
US Embassy.

Normally, the impure and imperfect national movements in Latin America
fall down due to their own mistakes and concessions to imperialism,
not the other way. But I would advance the timid suggestion that if at
the very moment when this national and popular movement suffers an
attack from imperialism or people funded by imperialism or simply from
sepoys and Quislings who are fool or alienated enough to work for the
interest of imperialism without asking that they, at least, be paid,
well, if at that very moment you stress the limits of the government
under attack, you will in the end lose every gram of popular support
you might have deserved up to that moment.

Is this what we are fostering in what some of our list´s members
consider to be the Ecuadorean Left? We would be pushing them to
political irrelevance. Which is exactly what these members should not
want to happen.

The rest, dear Juan, SHOULD be silence. Which it unfortunately seldom is.

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[Marxism] [Spa] Chávez on Ecuador

2010-10-03 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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[Sorry can´t translate. By a smart reporter. Sprinkled with some
details and observations of local glamour that can help understand
politics in Latin America today]

http://www.politicaymedios.com/internacional/Hugo_Chavez___le_dije__Correa__tu_no_mueres_hoy__20101001130406.php

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[Marxism] [Spa] Interesting details on Ecuador

2010-10-03 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

 Pérez, alias
SWAT, así como vínculos con oficiales de organismos especiales y de
inteligencia de las dos instituciones.”/ (Textual)

_A manera de conclusiones_

La intentona golpista en Ecuador es la antesala, sin lugar a dudas,
del incremento de la labor desestabilizadora de la derecha
ecuatoriana. Quisieron probar si existían condiciones para derrocar a
Correa, pero no emplearon todos los recursos disponibles y muchos de
los responsables de esta intentona se ocultaron en la sombra o se
lanzaron, hipócritamente, y, cuando todo el mundo repudió la asonada,
a hacer declaraciones a favor de la democracia.

Muchos peligros amenazan a la Revolución Ciudadana impulsada por
Correa, entre ellos nuevos intentos por derrocarlo por la vía
violenta, ante la imposibilidad de hacerlo en las urnas.

Hoy más que nunca es importante sacar experiencias de estos nefastos
acontecimientos. Una de ellas es la necesidad de buscar la unidad de
las fuerzas progresistas, perfeccionar los métodos de trabajo con las
masas, enfrentar con oportunidad y convicción la desinformación entre
las bases populares y los movimientos sindical e indígena, esclarecer
más que imponer, y esa será, sin lugar a dudas, la clave del triunfo.
Es la hora de rectificar errores y de fortalecer nuestra fe en el
pueblo, de depurar a oportunistas y a quienes perjudican el trabajo
del gobierno desde adentro.

El verdadero enemigo desembolsa grandes cantidades de dinero de forma
descarada y controla desde su complejo de oficinas diplomáticas, las
actividades de muchos elementos dentro de la FF AA y la Policía
Nacional. Se debe confiar, es cierto, en el soldado honesto y
patriota. A la par, se debe ser cuidadoso con aquel que se vende y es
capaz de traicionar a la Constitución cuando su protector de la CIA se
lo aconseja.

Estos hechos dejaron, sin embargo, a mi modo de ver, la apreciación de
que el presidente Correa y su pueblo se crecieron con decoro y
dignidad por encima de quienes trataron de tronchar el futuro del
Ecuador. Fueron admirados por el mundo y el mundo no les dio la
espalda.

La valentía de Correa como líder y hombre probo, quedó demostrada al
cerrarse este capítulo bochornoso en la historia del Ecuador. Digno y
glorioso dijo a Radio Pública, para que lo escuchara su amado pueblo:
/“Yo no voy dar marcha atrás, si quieren vengan a buscarme acá, denme
un tiro y que siga adelante la República, me matarán a mí, como decía
Neruda, podrán cortar las flores pero no impedir la llegada de la
primavera”./





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Re: [Marxism] AP on Correa and Ecuador (surprisingly good)

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This WAS  a coup attempt. And Correa, far from a fuckwit, is one of
the most serious revs in Latin America. Whoever thinks otherwise is an
ignorant on the issues at stake. Or worse (if Latin American and
particularly so in Ecuadorean).

 Five AM here, with insomnium, so won´t extend myself. Don´t even
bother to ask me to substatiate.

Maybe some other day.

Been in touch with the whole development hour after hour.

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 For Joaquín Correa is our Cormade. Speak for yourself. I've met workers
 representatives in the Congress of Ecuador who are *part of Correa's block*
 who think NOT! Leaders of the hydroelectric workers; indigenous movements,
 public workers unions and others *all of whom voted for him* AND defend his
 Presidency but think he strarted *caving* to imperialism by attacking the
 workers who supported him. They stand with him against Imperialism and for
 democracy. But as to his policies IN the country...not so much anymore.

 Next thing you know Joaquin will be saying the CONAIE is an agent of
 imperialism, and that Correa's speeches declaring the popular forces
 of Ecuador to be left-wing ecological and indigenous infantilism,
 are in fact true, and that CONAIE's critique of Correa's right-wing
 privatization policies is just a CIA plot.

 If in fact this was a coup attempt, which I seriously doubt, Correa is
 a fuckwit for alienating his base and talking out of both sides of his
 mouth.

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Re: [Marxism] The Party Line against Correa

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MOst obviously, I wish to thank Joaquín for the time he has spent
explaining what should not even need an explanation.

2010/10/1 Joaquín Bustelo jbust...@gmail.com:
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        For those folks on this list who have never met a Latin American
 national movement they liked, I offer these comments as a way to avoid
 having to read a lot of imperialist propaganda but still being able to
 hew to the anti-national-movement (i.e., anti-populist) line.

        1. It wasn't a coup. The populists like Chavez and Evo Morales always
 say coup coup coup to get domestic and international support. This was
 just a police u

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[Marxism] Arg main unions central against the coup in Ecuador (Spanish)

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Of course, these are irrepresentative bureaucrats who have nothing to
do with red blooded Marxists.

Oh, my.

BTW, the Arg fraction of the Antipopulist international was also
duped by the national bourgeoisies, since they attended the rally
against the coup Thursday last.


LA CGT CONTRA EL INTENTO DE GOLPE DE ESTADO EN ECUADOR

El movimiento obrero organizado repudia enérgicamente el intento de
golpe de estado en Ecuador y se solidariza con su pueblo y su
Gobierno.

La insubordinación de partes de las fuerzas de seguridad pretende
poner en jaque el proceso popular y democrático de nuestro país
hermano.

Los trabajadores argentinos hemos padecido sangrientas dictaduras
militares que, con el objetivo de imponer los intereses de los
sectores concentrados de la economía, nos arrebataron no sólo todos
nuestros derechos sociales, sino  la vida de miles de compañeros.

Hoy vemos con honda preocupación cómo se intenta repetir en Ecuador el
inadmisible golpe ocurrido en Honduras hace poco más de un año.

Desde la CGT venimos  denunciando  cómo se desarrolla una feroz
ofensiva por parte de los poderes económicos que buscan detener los
procesos de transformación que está viviendo nuestra América. En esta
nueva etapa de la historia, donde los gobernantes se parecen a sus
pueblos la política central es la justicia social, la defensa de la
soberanía política, la independencia económica y la unidad
suramericana que está en marcha.

Estas banderas jamás serán negociadas. Expresamos nuevamente nuestro
compromiso con la defensa de la democracia en todo el territorio
suramericano y nuestra solidaridad más fraterna con el pueblo
ecuatoriano y su Presidente Rafael Correa.

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[Marxism] [Spa] US Intelligence penetration of Ecuatorian police

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CITANDO LA FUENTE,EL MATERIAL DE ESTA LISTA ES DE LIBRE REPRODUCCIÓN


Telesur

Informe confirmado: inteligencia USA penetró a fondo la policía ecuatoriana


El sublevamiento de elementos golpistas de la policía ecuatoriana en
contra el Presidente Rafael Correa confirma un informe alarmante sobre
la infiltración de la policía ecuatoriana por los servicios de
inteligencia norteamericanos difundido en el 2008 que revelaba como
diplomáticos norteamericanos se dedicaban a corromper a la policía y
también a oficiales de la Fuerzas Armadas.
Policías golpista agreden a fotógrafos de la prensa internacional que
intentaban cubrir represión contra el pueblo ecuatoriano. (Patria
Grande)


Por:     Jean-Guy Allard
          ::

El sublevamiento de elementos golpistas de la policía ecuatoriana en
contra el Presidente Rafael Correa confirma un informe alarmante sobre
la infiltración de la policía ecuatoriana por los servicios de
inteligencia norteamericanos difundido en el 2008, en el cual se
señalaba como muchos miembros de los cuerpos policíacos desarrollaban
una ''dependencia'' hacia la Embajada de Estados Unidos.

El informe precisaba que unidades de la Policía ''mantienen una
dependencia económica informal con Estados Unidos, para el pago de
informantes, capacitación, equipamiento y operaciones''.

 El uso sistemático de técnicas de corrupción de parte de la CIA para
adquirirse la ''buena voluntad'' de oficiales de policía fue descrito
y denunciado en numerosas oportunidades por el ex agente de la CIA
Philip Agee quién, antes de abandonar las filas de la agencia, estuvo
asignado a la Embajada de Estados Unidos en Quito.

En su informe oficial, difundido a finales de octubre 2008, el
ministro ecuatoriano de Defensa, Javier Ponce, reveló como
diplomáticos norteamericanos se dedicaban a corromper a la policía y
también a oficiales de la Fuerzas Armadas.

Confirmando el hecho, la jefatura de la Policía ecuatoriana anunció
entonces que sancionaría a sus agentes que colaboraban con Estados
Unidos mientras la Embajada estadounidense proclamaba la
''transparencia'' de su apoyo a Ecuador.

''Nosotros trabajamos con el gobierno de Ecuador, con los militares,
con la Policía, para fines muy importantes para la seguridad'',
declaró la embajadora estadounidense en Quito, Heather Hodges.

Sin embargo, la diplomática dijo a periodistas que no haría
comentarios ''sobre temas de inteligencia''.

La agregada de prensa, por su parte, Marta Youth, se nego rotundamente
a referirse a las denuncias del gobierno ecuatoriano, que incluían la
participación de la CIA en una operación con Colombia que derivó en el
ataque militar colombiano contra la guerrilla de las FARC en
territorio ecuatoriano del 1 de marzo de aquel año.

El jefe de Inteligencia del Ejército, Mario Pazmiño, había sido
destituido por ocultar información relacionada con el ataque contra
las FARC.

En los últimos meses, funcionarios norteamericanos se aparecieron en
Ecuador, bajo pretexto de profundizar las relaciones entre Ecuador y
EEUU.

El secretario adjunto para el hemisferio occidental del Departamento
de Estado Arturo Valenzuela, visitó y re-visitó al presidente Correa,
en vista a una visita de la canciller Hillary Clinton.

Valenzuela se hizo acompañar por Tedd Stern, ''delegado especial para
los cambios climáticos'' también conocido por su afinidad con la CIA.





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[Marxism] Cajoun

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One of the striking issues I discovered long ago on a National
Geographic Magazine (none the less, those that in Zabriskie Point were
burned as an example of the burning of a social class) was that Cajoun
(or Cajun, don´t know right spelling) had no problem in calling
themselves Cajun while they soon discovered when non-Cajun used the
term in a derogatory way. That´s exactly what happens in the large
mass of the Arg population, who are called negros de mierda by the
white skinned, Euro-born, urban middle class and hate it, but also
call each other negro and even negro de mierda in clear knowledge
that there might even exist some tenderness in the words.

Same with hijo de puta, which outside Argentina may well be the
reason for a killing but here can rank from same thing to a most
tender admirative phrase.

I had called Greg bad things before he bullshitted my posting
(which, I have to admit, deserved not such a treatment but something
more polite though on the same line).

All´s OK with me. If I offended Greg, I apologize too.

But, really, if the police mutiny had prospered, Ecuador would now
be under a pro-imperialist regime, probably led by Lucio Gutiérrez.

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[Marxism] [Spa, sorry...] What I consider a serious evaluation of what happened in Ecuador and its consequences

 profesional a Estados Unidos a través de la
Escuela de las Américas. En Ecuador esa impronta filoyanqui parece
seguir estando grabada en los mandos de las instituciones armadas. El
discurso del comandante en jefe del ejército, de aparente respaldo al
presidente Correa, estuvo teñido de un matiz amenazador, extorsivo
casi, cuando estimó que derogar la ley que había servido de pretexto
al putsch y que reducía prebendas a los empleados públicos, era un
factor necesario para sanar la crisis… Este señor no debía opinar,
sino apoyar al presidente y comandante en jefe, y a la Constitución
vigente.

No nos engañemos, pues. Y no nos traguemos, por favor, las
elucubraciones semánticas de un analista como Rosendo Fraga, que tiene
el tupé de definir lo de Ecuador como un “motín” y no como un intento
de “golpe de estado”. Lo sucedido en Ecuador no se puede disociar del
golpe en Honduras, ni de la instalación y libre circulación de los
marines en Costa Rica, ni de la reactivación de la IV Flota en el
Caribe, ni de la presencia de efectivos norteamericanos en Paraguay,
ni de los ataques frontales de los medios contra Cristina Kirchner,
Lula da Silva, Fernando Lugo o Hugo Chávez, que apuntan en mayor o
menor medida a desestabilizar unas experiencias que van, la mayoría de
ellas, a contracorriente de los parámetros de la ortodoxia económica.

Y mañana se vota en Brasil. El establishment mediático-financiero de
ese enorme país siente una especie de rechazo de piel contra Lula,
rechazo que viene a bañar también las espaldas de la candidata a la
que Lula apoya, Dilma Rouseff, a pesar de que esta tiene una visión de
la economía aun más moderada que la del jefe del Partido Trabalhista.
Las encuestas dan a Dilma un descenso en su apreciación del voto, que
tal vez la obligaría a ir a una segunda vuelta; pero, vaya uno a
fiarse de las encuestas…

En Argentina el mapa político sigue siendo complicado. Hay una buena
probabilidad de que los Kirchner alcancen la victoria en la primera
ronda de las elecciones previstas para el año próximo, pero con una
serie de incógnitas que devienen de lo problemático que resultan para
ellos los futuros guarismos en tres de los cuatro más importantes
distritos electorales: la Capital Federal, Córdoba y Santa Fe. Sólo en
la provincia de Buenos Aires –el más pesado colector de votos de la
República- podrían tener los Kirchner, quizá, una ventaja clara. Dice
un interesante análisis publicado en La Nación –que no en vano es el
diario que condensa los intereses de nuestra clase dirigente histórica
y fue fundado por quien más responsabilidad tuvo en la gestación de
nuestro sistema de poder- que frente a esta situación el kirchnerismo
tiene en su seno a dos grupos que discuten acerca de cómo gestionar y
amplificar el poder político: uno que reivindica el choque directo con
las corporaciones mediática, financiera y empresaria que siguen
controlando los ámbitos claves de la gestión del país, y otro que
buscaría más bien canales de diálogo con esos grupos. Uno no puede dar
consejos desde aquí, pero recordemos que la primera de esas líneas fue
la que sacó al Frente para la Victoria del pozo en que había caído
después del rechazo de la 125 y del revés electoral del 28 de Junio.

Hay muchas cosas moviéndose en el aire por estos días en los países
del subcontinente. No se puede subestimar su amenaza. El referente
ecuatoriano, aunque no cabe que se repita en todas partes al pie de la
letra, nos debe enseñar que el enemigo nunca duerme y que nada lo
dejará contento. Hay un difícil camino a recorrer. Quien viva, verá.

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Re: [Marxism] Reading Keats

2010-09-25 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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2010/9/25 Gary MacLennan gary.maclenn...@gmail.com:



 We too are living in a world with very little hope – certainly in terms of
 the absence of what William Morris called 'a rising people'.

Not in Latin America, though in our particular ways.

And I thank History for this gift after all the years of bitterness we
have had to pass through.

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Re: [Marxism] masses on the move

2010-09-16 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Watch Taxi Driver, Gary. You´ll find Ballantine there.

One of the possible archetypal US made kind of Fascist.

Best.

2010/9/15 Gary MacLennan gary.maclenn...@gmail.com:
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 I couldn't find anything about Ballentine, Nestor.  Don't be such a tease!
 You are absolutely correct though about your analysis of this period.  The
 I'm as mad as hell folk are out of their cages and of course they will
 only do horizontal damage and damage to those below them.


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[Marxism] Nigh not the word

2010-08-14 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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2010/8/14 Louis Proyect l...@panix.com:


 Leonardo Kosloff wrote:


 and the work of socialist parties on it.
 http://www.ceics.org.ar/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=157:new-article-sour-sweetness-the-left-attacks-the-heart-of-argentine-capitalismcatid=65:argentine-economyItemid=78


 The PO, as much as the PTS, and even the PCR and MST, are now
 collecting the fruits of years of work.

 Wow. The revolution is nigh.


Not tomorrow, or past tomorrow, because we are on a long week end
holiday. The working class has gone to the touristic centers. The bus
drivers, in fact, have refused to strike for a rise in their wages but
just to make sure they can bring the workers back to their
revolutionary cells Monday evening.

A pity they don´t have a Leftist leadership in their union, because
in that case they would have surely forced the workers to remain in
their own worksites and homes. If only the subways of Buenos Aires
extended some 2500 km to every corner of the country...

But be sure, Louis, be absolute and resolutely sure, we shall have a
revolution in Argentina on Wednesday next, with the PCR and MST
hammering on the kernel of the Arg economy by supporting the Arg large
landowners against the mass of the people who don´t have the boon of
being proletarians, er, enlightened proletarians.

Nigh is not the word.

The word is sigh.


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[Marxism] Gay soccer: Arg world champion (Spa) [Just for the fun of it...]

2010-08-09 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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CAMPEON

El seleccionado argentino de fútbol gay se consagró ayer campeón en
los VII Gay Games disputados en la ciudad alemana de Colonia. El
equipo nacional venció en la final 3 a 0 al Seattle Jet City, informó
el presidente de la Comunidad Homosexual Argentina (CHA), César
Cigliutti. “Parece una buena coincidencia que la política argentina
lidere, actualmente, el tema del matrimonio igualitario en América
latina y que, coetáneamente, la selección gane el título mundial de
futbol gay”, expresó Cigliutti. Además de su objetivo deportivo, el
conjunto nacional llevó a Colonia un mensaje que reivindicó la
aprobación de la ley de matrimonio igualitario en el país.

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Re: [Marxism] Brown is the new Black, illegal is the new nigger, but cancer is cancer

2010-08-07 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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2010/8/7 Gary MacLennan gary.maclenn...@gmail.com:


 Hi Joaqin

 Just to let you know that I read this and was very moved and alarmed by it.

 The first breaks from this Recession seem indeed to be working for the
 Right, but a turn will come.  Never lose sight of that.


A turn will certainly come, that´s true, Gary.

But first things first.

The road map should be clearly established; first of all.

And I have seldom read a map as accurate as that which Joaquín has drawn.

There was a Latin American poet, a Cuban, Nicolás Guillén, who wrote a
poem to Little Rock, when Governor Faubus gave his famous stroke
against Black citizens. The poem, not surprisingly named Little
Rock, ended with the following lines which are becoming prophesy:

Y bien, ahora,
señoras y señores, señoritas,
ahora niños,
ahora viejos peludos y pelados,
ahora indios, mulatos, negros, zambos,
ahora pensad lo que sería
el mundo todo Sur,
el mundo todo sangre y todo látigo,
el mundo todo escuela de blancos para blancos,
el mundo todo Rock y todo Little,
el mundo todo yanqui, todo faubus...
Pensad por un momento,
imaginadlo un solo instante.

All right. Now,
ladies and gentlemen, young ladies,
children now,
now hairy and bald old men,
now indians, mulattos, blacks, zambos [1],
now think you what would it be,
the world all South,
the world all blood and whip,
the world all school of whites for whites,
the world all Rock and all Little,
the world all yanqui, all faubus...
Think for a moment
just guess it for a second.

it is some years already (perhaps after reading some most interesting
postings in this list, and certainly after some particular postings
that appeared here after Katrina) that I arrived at the conclusion
that the transformation of the US bourgeoisie into an imperialist
bourgeoisie cannot be separated from the agreement between the robber
barons of the North and the children of the slaveowners in the South.

At the ideological level, this provided the material foundation for
the replacement of the national/democratic ideology so well
represented in the writings of Marx Twain (the founder of the first
Anti-imperialist league in the US, don´t forget). This ideology had
brought about the American Civil War (and, yes, as Joaquín remembers,
Sherman´s scorched earth march through Georgia which put an end to
slavery), and did not fit with the new state of mind required by the
imperialist expansion. So that it was replaced by the
imperialist/racist ideology that pervades US thinking today.

This was not easy, nor immediate. It took decades, a century perhaps.
I still remember Norman Mailer´s honest depiction of the Pacific
scenario of World War 2 as simply an expansionist, colonialist, war:
IMHO, Mailer was expressing the alarm of honest Liberal US citizens
against what he felt was a possible turn of things (he did not seem to
know too much of how long his country had advanced into that road).
But nevertheless I have the impression that at least until Reagan
there was never a single clear signal that the general mood that had
been established by the Civil War would be replaced by the stinking,
all faubus, ideology of these days. The last prairie fire, the final
and shining last glow of the ideology that was in process of being
murdered was the glorious movement for Civil Rights in the South, so
fruitful.

But after formal equality was established, the whole machine began to
work again in order to allow us to witness this that we are
withnessing today: what will an all faubus world look like.

Once this is clearly established, we can start thinking about how to
make a turn Left.

[1] A child of American aborigin and black parents. Sorry if the
translation does not make justice to the original, BTW.

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Re: [Marxism] Stalinism and Bakuninism (was: Earliest use of word Stalinism?)

2010-08-01 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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No, no. I could understand the link with Bukharin. Nobody who has read
Deutscher´s biographies can fail to do that, not to speak of Trotsky
himself, etc.

But Bakunin of all people.

However, Lüko´s suggestion and explanation are heavily compelling, indeed.

And in more respects than one it sheds light on current events in many
places, BTW.

2010/8/1 DW dwalters...@gmail.com:


 I suspect that when Nestor first raised this he meant to say Bukharin not
 Bakunin. Bukharin was the first to raise the issue Socialism in one
 Country. I see that both the Bolshevik and Anarchist in question often get
 transposed with one another other.

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Re: [Marxism] Stalinism and Bakuninism (was: Earliest use of word Stalinism?)

2010-08-01 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Please, Greg, don´t hurry at conclusions.

I, for one, _do_  understand the basic idea that

  the gangsterism of a petty bourgeois layer detached from a real unity with
 the working classes, the strong-arm tactics against political opponents and
 the mistrust against the working class as such which has to be commanded
 but not led, all this

which according to Lüko (and IMHO not without strong reason) is first
found in Bakunin and his followers, etc., nurtures strong stalinist
tendencies (even though they don´t bear the name). I am portraying
some of today´s politicians of the Left (even of my own generic
current) who would fit that description and I would easily imagine
leading a police state against (and at the same time on behalf of) the
working class in the hypotesis of a workers state developing in Arg in
the near future.

   This insight came me after reading Martín Koppel's pamphlet Peru's
 Shining Path - Anatomy of a reactionary sect, published in 1993 by
 Pathfinder Press (Spanish as Sendero Luminoso - Evolución de una secta
 estalinista in 1994 http://www.pathfinderpress.com/s.nl/it.A/id.599/.f).

   This Bakuninism is quite different from what we know as Anarchism today,
 in which individualism plays a central role, and where groups end up by all 
 of
 them hanging out shingle or starting a business on their own.


As to Sendero, their historic and political role (we are not talking
about their idealist heroism) was as nefarious as anything can be.


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Re: [Marxism] Earliest use of word Stalinism?

2010-07-31 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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2010/7/31 Lüko Willms lueko.wil...@t-online.de:

[On Stalinism]


  Anyway, Trotsky was wrong using that term. The proper term is Bakuninism.
 Bakunin has older rights for what others called wrongly Stalinism.


I have long believed that Stalinism (particularly in its
post-Khruschevian form) was some particular version of
Social-Democracy, a Social-Democracy without a bourgeoisie to do the
dirty task.

But this is quite original, for me! Why would you say that Stalinism
roots in Bakunin?

Puzzled.



  Leaving out Engels from the sequence of name-that-person_isms is really
 a disgrace, by the way, since Engels made very important contributions, too.
 Although he could not be used for doctrinairian concoctions, so maybe that's
 why he was left out.

There might exist another reason: Stalinist symbolic system was not at
all unrelated with the symbolic system of the Orthodox Christian
Church. This required a Trinity, not a Quartet.

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[Marxism] I guess Joaquín will agree, on Olga Gu illot

2010-07-13 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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It is sad news that Olga Guillot died yesterday night. Had every worm
been like her, maybe the Cuban Revolution wouldn´t have been
necessary. Of course, and had my aunt had wheels, she would have been
a bicycle.

Now, seriously: that such a corrupt and miserable society as pre-Fidel
Cuba, a hornet´s nest plagued by pimps, drug sellers, and every kind
of maffia-type rubbish, could create people such as Olga Guillot gives
one a sense of the human capacity to overcome the most extreme
environments.

Funnily enough, if this can be considered funny, Olga Guillot not only
was famous for her extraordinary versions of Latino music but also
for her version of Stormy Weather, that masterpiece by Billie
Halliday, the same Black singer of Strange Fruits.

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Re: [Marxism] My friend Richard Greener's take on the World Cup

2010-07-12 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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2010/7/12 Greg McDonald gregm...@gmail.com:

 Anyway, I am happy that Spain got the Cup. The Netherlands are but a
 faint shadow of what they were.

 You should know better Nestor. Yesterday was not a futbol match, it
 was warfare.

Yes, maybe you are right. Well, sigh, faintly: Aupa España!

:)

Enouigh fútbol now.


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Re: [Marxism] A question to mathematicians on this list

2010-07-12 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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No, no, don´t be tricky.

You have a single unbiased moose to toss high in the air, and you have
only two possibilities: either the moose, who is the tabooed animal of
the social group you are investigating, returns to the ground head
down, or head up. You have nine opportunities to toss the mooose. The
whole tribe is watching you and you must know that if you fail once
they will ritually sacrifice you. That´s the heads and tails
situation...

:-)

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 Are we permitted to take into account all the other octopuses (and
 snails and squids and roosters and bats and carnivorous plants) in the
 world who failed to get even nine correct answers?  In a large world,
 the probability of existence of an unlikely animal are high.

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Re: [Marxism] My friend Richard Greener's take on the World Cup

2010-07-11 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Though I was badly hit by the Ger-Arg match, I kept watching the World Cup.

The match between Uruguay and Germany was more than a little bit
better than the boring thing we had to endure today.

Neither Spain nor the Netherlands deserved the places they got.

And I say it in spite of my respect for Spain, who started mediocre
and grew through the Cup.

But please if this is actual Spain, fútbol is in deep trouble. I hope
this match goes ASAP into oblivion.

Anyway, I am happy that Spain got the Cup. The Netherlands are but a
faint shadow of what they were.

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 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greener/my-apology-to-soccer-futb_b_642383.html


 Poor Richard, banished to the couch. I guess that's why they call it
 the nether lands.

 Paul the Octopus predicts he won't be getting laid anytime soon.

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[Marxism] A question to mathematicians on this list

2010-07-11 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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[Marxism] [Spa] Nicholas Shumway and the voice of imperialism

2010-07-11 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

 excolonias inglesas: precisamente
las 13 colonias que se unificaron  para constituir los Estados Unidos,
su país.

 Por lo demás, Latinoamérica no abarca a “muchas naciones muy
diferentes”, sino a muchos Estados muy diferentes (uno de los cuales,
Panamá, es una “invención” de sus paisanos yanquis), que es algo muy
distinto. Decenas de Estados, pero una sola Nación Latinoamericana,
unida no sólo por “la proximidad geográfica” (que es importante. ¿o
acaso las 13 colonias norteamericanas no son geográficamente
contiguas?), sino por su economía en desarrollo, su cultura mestiza,
su lengua española mayoritaria, su hibridación racial y su
religiosidad popular. Las “naciones” latinoamericanas, en realidad,
como dice el propio título del libro de Shumway respecto a la
Argentina, son una “invención”. Nunca dijo tanta verdad Shumway como
en la portada de su obra. Estas “naciones” son una invención de las
oligarquías portuarias de las grandes ciudades europeizadas del
litoral continental, aliadas y/o sometidas al imperialismo
balcanizador de turno.

 De todo esto, el académico norteamericano no dice una palabra. Es que
la Unidad fue la base del desarrollo portentoso de los Estados Unidos
y de su civilización. Pero. como dijo Trotsky, ahora “los
civilizadores cierran el paso a los quieren civilizarse”. Shumway es
uno de esos “civilizadores” y es la voz del imperialismo, del ALCA y
del Departamento de Estado. Eso es lo esencial. Lo demás –algunas
posiciones correctas de su libro- son  la vistosa etiqueta que hace
más vendible la mercadería podrida.

Córdoba, 12 de julio de 2010


 DISTRIBUYE: CENTRO DE ESTUDIOS PARA LA EMANCIPACION NACIONAL (CEPEN).
Roberto A. Ferrero, Presidente.
Es de libre reproducción mencionando la fuente.


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[Marxism] Revolutions cannot be exported because they must be homegrown [was Re: Sect, party, movement, class - I]

2010-07-10 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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2010/7/10 Joaquín Bustelo jbust...@bellsouth.net:


 Someone once wrote in Spanish, and I no longer remember where I saw it
 but the idea has stayed with me, that if a revolution is to be a real
 revolution it must be unpublished (debe ser inédita), in other
 words, an original work, not a copy.


Not a matter of chance that this was written in Spanish. There has
been a pervading and obnoxious tendency in Latin America to import
manufactured ideas as well as manufactured goods. There is nothing
wrong in importing general ideas, but if they are to live and be
politically relevant, they must be integrated, seamlessly integrated,
into the historic experience of the masses. Which can´t, of course, be
imported. That is why the Cubans could do what they did, and why most
of other Latin American Marxists are still longing for a mass support
they seldom find.

No revolution can really take place that doesn´t root in the deepest
radical traditions of the country and people that will make it.
Imitation doesn´t work, because human masses act according to their
own traditions and their own concrete situations. This implies, since
no country or people shares its history with other countries or
peoples (and this is WHY they can be considered different: because
they are the result of particular histories that can be compared and
classified in common blocks, but cannot be TRANSFERRED), that no
revolution will ever adapt to an universal pattern. The idea that
revolutions can be created ex nihilo, as if imported ready made, is,
at best, naiveté, and at worst imperialist hybris. If I am not wrong
those two are the infrared and UV stretches of the spectrum.

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Re: [Marxism] Formulating a path to abolish the working class - isn't it already too late?

2010-07-06 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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2010/7/6 Angelus Novus fuerdenkommunis...@yahoo.com:


 Lukewarm Willms:

 What you are still avoiding is the question about the path to abolish
 the working class.

 See, if you would bother to actually read Marx, rather than just swear by his 
 name, you
 wouldn't ask such patently idiotic questions.  The working class must abolish 
 itself:
 [quote from the Grundrisse]

Wonderful.

An endless stroke of lightning amidst the deepest shadows

I am living a few blocks off the building of the Arg General
Confederation of Labor (CGT).

And some of my comrades live almost wall to wall with some important
factories here.

I even meet, from time to time, some janitor.

Do you think that by just telling them that they must abolish
themselves, and immediately afterwards reading that passage of the
Grundrisse aloud, we can instantly turn them into communists? May I
quote you, A.N.?

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[Marxism] Something else about Vargas and Fascism

2010-06-23 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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If Fascism is one expression of imperialist rule, then the
authoritarian Vargas was, funny thing, an anti-Fascist.

When he got to power, the actual source of imperialist domination in
Brazil was the social bloc related to the export trade of coffee,
headed by the United States based monopolies on the global scenario,
and on the Paulista oligarchy in the country.

Most revealing as to the actual meaning of the policies of Getúlio was
the choice he made of a Vice-President for the elections of 1930.

He chose J. Pessoa, a traditional politician in the North Eastern
state of Paraíba. This man was the guy who had sunken the candidacy of
still another Paulista, Júlio Prestes, to the presidency of the
Nation.

Among his own achievements, Pessoa had managed to levy taxes on the
goods transported from inland Paraíba to the state´s capital and main
harbor, the city of Paraíba.

This cost him the most ardent hatred of the large landowners and the
support of the popular masses in the State.

He was eventually murdered by a political opponent, a journalist who
was in direct relation with the Partido Republicano Paulista, the most
eminent expression of US imperialist penetration in Brazil. The murder
was linked with personal and love affairs too, in a quite
Shakespearean way, but the political meaning of the fact was lost to
no one.

And this assassination was the spark that lit the revolution of 1930 in Brazil.

Who is a Fascist and who is not a Fascist in the Third World are not
easy questions to answer. Even in the soft usage of the word that, for
example, Joaquín B. has been promoting on this list.

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Re: [Marxism] Who I am rooting for in the World Cup

2010-06-21 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Yes, USAmerican women and Brazilian women are the great powers in
women soccer. Regrettably enough, this is not the case with Arg women.
Sexism is stronger here.

2010/6/21 Erik Toren ecto...@gmail.com:
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The story of the Women's National Soccer team in the US is complex.
One that for a long while languished in obscurity suffering a worse
fate than the Men's Team. In great part due to sexism in US sports. A
good documentary for those interested is Dare to Dream.

http://www.amazon.com/Dare-Dream-Story-Womens-Soccer/product-reviews/B000RL6G82/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8showViewpoints=1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dare_to_Dream:_The_Story_of_the_U.S._Women's_Soccer_Team

A good sports documentary that includes the impact of Title XI and the
Women's movement on the National Team.

Unfortunately, the success of the Women's team has *not* translated
well into the professional leagues. After the success of 1999 World
Cup, in 2000 the Women's United Soccer Association was created as the
professional Division 1 league. It only lasted 3 years and closed
doors in 2003. Seven years later, Women's Professional Soccer was born
with a number of 1999 players appearing. The league is struggling, but
there is hope.

On the Men's side, the North American Soccer League was organized in
1968. It survived the first major interest in soccer in the US during
the 70's and early 80's, but closed shop in '84. Twelve years later,
with the 1994 World Cup in the US, it gave impetus to the formation of
a professional league in 1996. Major League Soccer has had its up and
downs, but has managed to survive and become successful. Successful
enough that the unionized players threatened to go on strike before
the 2010 season and *win* concessions from the owners.

Erik

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wrote:

The women lead the way in US football (what they call soccer there).

They are world class!

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Re: [Marxism] Who I am rooting for in the World Cup

2010-06-20 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Down here, we are all quite amazed at the fast evolution of USA teams
along the last two decades or so.

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 I wouldn't be so hard on the USA team. Is a mid-tier squad that has
 evolved from an amateur team to a team that has actually sent players
 to professional teams in Europe. At least within CONCACAF, it's
 Mexico, USA, and Costa Rica the top three favorites.

 .and yes I know a number of socialists rooting for the USA team.

 Erik

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 Well, Algeria tied England, which is arguably a victory in and of
 itself. It would be cool to see Algeria beat the USA, but the latter
 is not exactly an imperialist powerhouse on the pitch. The USA is
 barely a second-rate squad.

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Re: [Marxism] He should rot in hell BUT A PARTICULAR HELL

2010-06-20 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Most torture and criminal techniques used by the Arg military after
1955 were taught by the French Military Mission, established 1956.
Should he rot in a hell of submarinos secos, submarinos húmedos,
picanas, caídas al vacío desde un avión, falsos fusilamientos,
desapariciones y robos de niños. And hope that while he is in Hell he
watches France become a wretch of what it was, thanks to his great
contribution to political democracy.

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 NY Times June 18, 2010
 Gen. Marcel Bigeard, French Hero of 3 Wars, Dies at 94
 By MAÏA DE LA BAUME

 PARIS — Gen. Marcel Bigeard, one of France’s most decorated veterans,
 who led troops in the French Resistance in World War II and in wars in
 Algeria and Indochina, died Friday in Toul, France, where he lived. He
 was 94. His death was confirmed by his wife, Gabrielle Grandemange.

 General Bigeard, who was wounded in battle five times and escaped from
 prisoner-of-war camps three times, achieved legendary status in France.

 Nicknamed “the Heroic Bigeard” by Charles de Gaulle, he participated in
 battles against the Nazis and against rebels in the French colonies of
 Indochina and Algeria.

 “He has been called the best paratrooper in the world,” Martin Windrow,
 a British military historian, told The Associated Press, “and whatever
 the truth of that, he most certainly has a claim as the most battle-proven.”

 In 1954, he parachuted with his battalion into the besieged French base
 of Dien Bien Phu, in Indochina, and fought the Vietminh, the Vietnamese
 Communist and nationalist forces, until France’s defeat in 1954.

 In the midst of Algeria’s war of independence from France, his parachute
 regiment regained control of Algiers, the capital, in 1957.

 A profile of General Bigeard (who was a colonel at the time) in Time
 magazine in 1958 captured his tough-as-nails persona: “A martinet, but
 the idol of his men, Bigeard whipped them into shape by running them as
 much as 15 miles at a time. He made them shave every day, no matter
 where they were, doled out raw onions instead of the traditional wine
 ration because ‘wine reduces stamina.’ ”

 Born in Toul in 1916, Marcel Bigeard started his career as a bank clerk
 before joining the French Army in 1939. He was captured by the Germans
 in June 1940, but escaped a year later to join the colonial infantry in
 Senegal.

 In 1944 he parachuted into France to lead an underground Resistance group.

 General Bigeard served in the army until 1974, retiring as a four-star
 general before being appointed deputy defense minister under President
 Valéry Giscard d’Estaing and later, a legislator in France’s lower house
 of Parliament.

 His reputation was tarnished in 1999 when he revealed to Agence
 France-Presse, after the release of one of his war memoirs, that the
 French military had used torture during the Algerian war.

 In July 2000, he declared that torture in Algeria had been a “necessary
 evil,” and described it as “a mission given by the political powers.”
 But he never specified whether he had taken part.

 General Bigeard wrote 16 books, most of them memoirs, and received among
 others honors, the Grand Croix de la Légion d’Honneur, one of France’s
 highest distinctions, as well as the Medal of the Resistance and the
 Distinguished Service Order from the British government.

 Besides his wife, he is survived by a daughter, Marie-France.

 
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[Marxism] When criticizing the ANC don´t forget th is

2010-05-25 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Source:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons

[The South African government has declassified documents that prove,
to any practical effect, not only that Israel had and has nuclear
bombs but also that the Israeli government, by the intermediation of
no other than Shimon Peres, entered in conversations with the
Apartheid regime in order to provide nuclear warheads to the white
supremacist regime in Pretoria.

The final lines of the journalistic piece run like this, and I would
advice any serious Marxist to take them in account because the true
kernel of socialist internationalism lies in considering the globe as
a class war arena where the stakes are /global, not local/, and
involve /all classes, not just a sometimes hyped working class/:]

Israel pressured the present South African government not to
declassify documents obtained by Polakow-Suransky [the researcher who
disclosed this]. The Israeli defence ministry tried to block my
access to the Secment agreement on the grounds it was sensitive
material, especially the signature and the date, he said. The South
Africans didn't seem to care; they blacked out a few lines and handed
it over to me. The ANC government is not so worried about protecting
the dirty laundry of the apartheid regime's old allies.

By Israel read the Israeli bourgeois-Zionist regime, and by South
African government read the South African bourgeois-semicolonial
regime. It looks like the latter doesn't answer to past grievances in
the same way the South African bourgeois-sepoy regime of white
supremacy. Shouldn´t a Marxist take this into account?

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Re: [Marxism] When criticizing the ANC don´t forget th is

2010-05-25 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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No, they are not SA commentators. They are hybris-ridden outside charlatans.

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 Néstor Gorojovsky wrote:
 Facts, however, are facts.
 Some people

 Who are these SA commentators who annoy you companero?
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[Marxism] Surprise unnecessary [was Re: When criti cizing the ANC don´t forget this]

2010-05-25 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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2010/5/25 Patrick Bond pb...@mail.ngo.za:


 Would you agree - since facts are facts - that socio-economically the
 majority of black people have lower incomes and worse
 political-ecological conditions since 1994? This country has changed
 enormously since Botha, and mostly for the better because race is not an
 official source of oppression. But for poor black people, this is a
 country with many more ghastly problems caused by ANC crony capitalism
 plus repression, than by residual apartheid.

I take your word. Which does not imply that absence of race as a
source of repression is less important than it was. Didn´t we _know_
that once these constraints were opened capitalism would reign fully?
Have we ever had any confidence in unleashed capitalism bringing
anything good to the working people?


 ...
 The behavior of the ANC government can be humiliating, or not, if you
 are a bourgeois patriot of South Africa. If you are a Marxist, these
 things should be expected. What matters, however, is not who
 discovered the thing but who did help it be discovered.

 On the other side, I would think it twice if, in the current world, I
 was the President of a socialist South Africa, I had proof that Israel
 has the Bomb, and someone told me Hey, boy, let us disclose this. My
 first question would be what good does this do to the cause of the
 South Africans.

 I'm surprised. For most of us, the first question is: What is good for
 ending the last colonial outpust? South Africa has a huge potential
 role, in getting Israel BDS up and running. We started last year in
 Durban, with a temporary halt to unloading of Israeli ships:
 www.zcommunications.org/durban-for-palestine-via-bds-by-patrick-bond

Hats up for you!

But there is no need to be surprised. Your question is general, mine
is more to a particular point, which is how to do in order to keep
that country, with a huge potential role, safe enough to play that
role without inner disturbances, attempts of coup, and so on. However,
and now more seriously, I am nobody to talk on things South African.


 ... Best, and miss you. Hope you can have a good time during the World
 Cup. BTW, we did not talk this over in BA when we met, so that I don´t
 know if you are interested in football.


 Yes indeed, comrade. Have a look here, at our World Cup Watch:
 http://www.ukzn.ac.za/ccs/default.asp?2,40,5,2037



Then don´t expect Argentina to play a most important role. Sad to say
it, but I hope I am wrong. In 1986, true, our team seemed to have no
chance and it ended with the Cup. But this time, hmmm.

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Re: [Marxism] Question on the Far Right

2010-05-15 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Joaquín´s e-mail couldn´t be more on the point. A corollary is that
any (repeat: any) move that tends to slow down, or, in the best
panorama, stop up the flow of imperialist super-profits to the
imperialist nations must be unreservedly supported by revolutionary
Marxists. And the regimes that make those moves, against imperialists,
too.

This is the actual ground on which the struggle of socialism takes
place worldwide. No matter who takes any measure that diminishes that
flow, no matter how little it is diminished. Any such movement acts on
our behalf.

The rest, is or should be silence.



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Re: [Marxism] Arg football and Left (was Re: Football: On the Left Wing--St. Pauli surges to the top shelf)

2010-05-11 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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2010/5/10 Greg McDonald gregm...@gmail.com:


 On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Nestor Gorojovsky nmg...@gmail.com wrote:



 Yes, Independiente was founded by socialists in Avellaneda during the
 early years of the 20th Century.


 Ahh, perfect. I knew, KNEW, Nestor would not be able to resist such
 provocations on my part!

 Of course I was also aware of yesterday's match!! hahahaha.


Offline, Greg.

Somehow I guessed you were baiting me. But I did not guess you were
aware of Sunday´s match.

Touché.

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Re: [Marxism] DIE LINKE with 6% in the latest prognoses of the election result in North Rhine Westphalia

2010-05-10 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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This meaning, Einde???

2010/5/9 Einde O'Callaghan eind...@freenet.de:
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 According to the latest prognoses DIE LINKE have got about 6% in the
 state elections in North Rhine Westphalia, the largest state in Germany.
 If this result holds up during the count the party will have about 12
 seats in the next Landtag.

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Re: [Marxism] Huge march for Venezuelan independence day

2010-04-22 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Dear Stuart M., I understand your addendum. And I am sympathetic to
the feelings that take you to send it to the list.

But.

(I may be wrong, and I hope I am wrong.)

But, honestly, this Socialism of the 21st Century smells a lot like
Peronist Justicialismo.

In both cases, it was never completely clear what the whole thing was about.

But PRACTICE explained away any doubt.

At any rate, one of the possible views of Peronism, which I learnt
from Louis Proyect here, is that it was a peculiarly Saint Simonian
alliance between the nationalist wing of the Armed Forces and the
working class. The Armed Forces acting as surrogates for a bourgeoisie
without class consciousness nor, of course, the guts to fight against
imperialist dependence. If we consider Socialism a form of
Socialism, well, then Justicialism was the Socialism of the 20th
Century.

The differences between the Vnzl and Arg versions, in my own way to
see it, are accidental and not essential.

I insist. What makes Chávez dangerous, and made Perón dangerous (the
same happened with Vargas) was their clear consciousness of the
necessity of union.

BTW: this is what made Abraham Lincoln dangerous, too, and not his
views on slavery.

2010/4/21 Stuart Munckton stuartmunck...@gmail.com:


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Re: [Marxism] The Roots of Stalin in the Tea Party Movement

2010-04-18 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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2010/4/18 David Thorstad bin...@gvtel.com:


 The Tea Party movement's dirty little secret is that its chief
 financial backers owe their family fortune to the granddaddy of all
 their hatred: Stalin's godless empire of the USSR. The secretive oil
 billionaires of the Koch family, the main supporters of the right-wing
 groups that orchestrated the Tea Party movement, would not have the
 means to bankroll their favorite causes had it not been for the pile of
 money the family made working for the Bolsheviks in the late 1920s and
 early 1930s, building refineries, training Communist engineers and
 laying down the foundation of Soviet oil infrastructure.

 The comrades were good to the Kochs. Today Koch Industries has grown
 into the second-largest private company in America. With an annual
 revenue of $100 billion, the company was just $6.3 billion shy of first
 place in 2008. Ownership is kept strictly in the family, with the
 company being split roughly between brothers Charles and David Koch, who
 are worth about $20 billion apiece and are infamous as the largest
 sponsors of right-wing causes.

Maybe due to the fact that the family has direct knowledge that
socialism CAN work?


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[Marxism] Universal jurisdiction put to test (and something more, as a bonus) Re: Argentines Try Probing Crimes of Franco's Spain

2010-04-18 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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This will be THE test to the theses on universal jurisdiction.

I would bet that while it is perfectly acceptable that European courts
try Chilean or Argentinean Thugs, it will hardly be accepted that an
Arg Court tries Spanish thugs.

Let us wait and see...

BTW: the Spanish Civil War left in Arg a deeper trace than elsewhere,
due to a host of reasons. Four of these:

a) recent migration from Spain and Italy of _both_ philo-Fascists and
Left wingers

b) absolute indifference of the masses towards local politics,
hijacked by professional politicians in the service of the British
Empire during the 1930s

c) strong influence of the Left (with or without inverted commmas) on
the consciousness of the middle classes, a form of cultural alienation

d) worship of the local right wing Catholic Nationalists for the Francoite side

All this, cast in the general Eurocentric consciousness of the
middle classes in the large towns and areas of the Pampa region where
foreign (mainly Italian) migrants had managed to establish a solid
agrarian middle class. It is most revealing to show that one of the
most progressive politicians of the time, Amadeo Sabattini, was a
neutralist (a reasonably national-bourgeois position) in the
conflict while at the same time he was socially progressive,
thoroughly democratic and very popular. In fact, one of the reasons
for this strange mixture was that a good deal of his own social base
of voters were children of the recent Italian migration to Argentina,
who kept some lovingly feelings towards Italy -which by those times
was Fascist Italy! Thus, Sabattini had to both play games towards the
global democratic camp (he was even married to a Communist Party
member) and towards the global totalitarian camp (by way of
neutralism).

2010/4/18 Greg McDonald gregm...@gmail.com:
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 http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/04/14/world/AP-LT-Argentina-Spain-Human-Rights.html?_r=2partner=rssemc=rss

 Argentines Try Probing Crimes of Franco's Spain
 By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
 Published: April 14, 2010


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[Marxism] Kyn and Scottish/Bremen Schools

2010-04-12 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Went to Kyn´s article, and found out a most interesting thing.

If Kyn is quite solid in his denunciation of the schools of Scotland
and Bremen as at best ill-researchers of the sources they quote, it
looks like this is a debate between misquoters. Kyn states that among
his students there is a Federico Morchio, Minister, Argentina.

You can be absolutely certain that this Morchio has never been
Minister at the Federal level in Argentina, ever.

At most, he was chief of cabinet in the Secretary for Industry,
Commerce and Small/medium enterprises during the early, and most
neoliberal, moments of the Kirchner administration (2003). His being a
minister has to do with a third rank position in the Arg Diplomatic
Service, where he seems to be acting on secondary or third-rank issues
related to Foreign Direct Investment. A typical position-eater of the
neoliberal breed, a grey bureaucrat that either has duped Kyn into
believing he has got a ministerial rank, either has been presented by
Kyn as still another neoliberal pupil of his in the former neoliberal
paradise of Argentina.

If Kyn´s remaining examples of students and colleagues are
consistent, I would think it twice before calling this man a market
socialist, BTW. What I believe is that both Kyn and the two schools
belong to the same gender of budget nipping intellectuals. They just
cater to different buyers.

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Re: [Marxism] Katyn' (not Stalin, not Trotsky)

2010-04-11 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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2010/4/11 Louis Proyect l...@panix.com:
 The focus is on the class
 struggle today and not digging into the Russian questions. I would
 advise comrades not to get drawn into a discussion about Katyn in this
 light.


Won't get drawn into the Russian questions, certainly.

However, I would ask if debating the current propaganda wave against
the fSU is a dead dog or a living Leviathan.


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Re: [Marxism] [microsound] El camino hasta la autogestion

2010-04-01 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Entonces, ¿el castellano se ha aceptado como idioma oficial de la lista?

Si es así, sugiero que la discusión sobre las asambleas, etc., se
oriente hacia un problema concreto: el de cómo superar el burocratismo
creciente que está aferrando desde adentro la Revolución Bolivariana.

Debo decir que no es nada que me sorprenda. Los movimientos
bonapartistas nacional burgueses en América Latina se burocratizan por
motivos estructurales, al parecer. Si se les da suficiente tiempo, a
todos les sucede lo mismo, al menos hasta ahora.

Esta burocratización termina por desalentar a las masas. Y esto
termina con una contrarrevolución, que puede asumir diversas maneras.

En Venezuela, hoy, se corre un riesgo cierto de que en las próximas
legislativas venza la oposición antibolivariana. En ese caso, habremos
dado un enorme paso atrás en la lucha por el socialismo en América
Latina. Y no porque el chavismo sea socialista, precisamente.

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[Marxism] Shame on the Arg Left and their behavior on March 24th

2010-03-29 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Those interested in a biased but not inaccurate (particularly as to
what happened on March 24th last in May Square, Buenos Aires)
rendering of the lunacy and politically suicidal behavior of the
anti-Peronist Left these days (in Spanish, sorry), please refer to

http://www.rodolfowalsh.org/spip.php?article1823

The author is a left wing Peronist, so that the article has some bias
against the Left (though it also explains the reasons of that bias)
and it makes some mistakes, like generalizations of the position of
the Arg Comm Party which were not always as widespread as this report
comments.

However, the general picture is not wrong though blurred in the details.

And perhaps those who actually want to know what bad service this
left makes to any revolution (not to speak of socialism) in
Argentina will realize this by carefully reading what did they do to
the Mothers and Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayo when they discovered
that these women would not bend to their wishes.

The bias against the Left is the first thing serious revolutionary
Marxists in Argentina have to deal with when talking to the working
class. THAT is the service this Left is making to foreign
imperialism. Either by stupidity or other reasons. The results are
simple: establishing a gap as wide as possible between the workers and
Marxism.

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Re: [Marxism] Calling all rebels

2010-03-08 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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I also guess that, as Luois Pr has commented, the situation forces
some people to arrive at conclusions they have shunned for years. It
is the bird in the coal mine, as Louis said. Perhaps he never needed
to self-censorship himself... But times are a-changing...

2010/3/8 farmela...@juno.com farmela...@juno.com:


 Over on the A-List, someone wondered
 how this possibly could be the same
 Chris Hedges who wrote for the NY Times,
 since she did not recall him ever writing
 anything remotely resembling this there.

 Good question.  I suppose that he was at
 the NY Times, he engaged in a lot of
 self-censorship.

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[Marxism] URL for full text, in Spanish, of the Dec laración de Cancún

2010-02-25 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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The web site belongs to the Cuban Min of Foreign Relations.

In order to understand the importance the Cubans attach to the
declaration, and the reasons why it has been published so fast and in
such an important way, please keep in mind that Cuba has been
struggling ever since the Punta del Este meeting of the OAS (OEA in
Spanish) to break the isolation that US-compliant Latin American
regimes imposed on the revolution. The Cubans have not always found
the proper and adequate road (in fact, IMHO, they can be criticized
deeply and in fact they have already done so for the _means_ they
chose). But the general direction of their march has never changed.

With these bearings in mind, it is that they are so jubilant on this issue.

The declaration can be found in:

http://america.cubaminrex.cu/Actualidad/2010/Febrero/declaracion%20cancun.html

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[Marxism] Long posting on the Arg Debt / Central Bank / Left debate

, which is the extraordinary
agrarian rent. We can see that. Know what? We shall resort to part of
the reserves, so we can guarantee all of you, dear usuriers, that you
will have a good reason not to mistrust us during the negotiations,
and thus charge lower rates both to the government _and to private
firms asking for foreign loans to foster production schemes_. In so
doing, by the way, we shall liberate parts of the domestic budget from
their current destination, which is payments of foreign debt at high
rates, and use those parts to further fuel the national economy. Would
you agree to that?

The financial stablishment, of course, received the whole thing with
mixed feelings. Some were tempted, others were outraged. But Martin
Redrado (originally, Hernán Pérez, a name he changed for public
exposure out of sheer snobbery), the head of the Central Bank, a man
Kirchner had appointed almost six years ago in an attempt to calm down
the international financial gang, stroke an agreement with the media
group _Clarín_ and the main representatives of the opposition to use
this typical peddlers´ bargain as a launching pad for  a major scandal
against the Government. He decided not to deliver the reserves that
the Executive requested.

Immediately, he was asked to resign. He resisted. The whole opposition
rallied around him. A brutal campaign around the independence of the
Central Bank (that is, around the right of the financial sector to
stranglehold the economy) set in.

And the Leftists, what did they do? Did they understand that what
was at stake? Not only they didn´t but particularly through Solanas
they began to shout Foreign debt, foreign debt. They began to take a
principled position exactly at the moment when the whole
establishment had mounted an operation against the government over the
really basic principle that the Central Bank must be independent.

By thus skirting the main issue, the Left uses the foreign debt as
an alibi. Yes, an alibi to cover up their objective collussion with
the extreme forms of the Right against the national government. And,
by the way, this collussion, as we told above, serves the purpose of
impeding the Government any layoff in the domestic economy, not, as
you dear David have thought, any suction of popular income to pay for
the debt. This is exactly the other way round.

However, what happened in the end? That the Kirchners, when they
observed how intractable the financial sector is, gave up their
original plan (which was to replace the neoliberal but unruly Redrado
with an equally neoliberal but supposedly more amenable Mario Blejer
at the head of the Central Bank), and have just imposed over the
Central Bank a Left wing developmentist, Mercedes Marcó del Pont, to
the foaming rage of the establishment!

Yes, this is what actually happened in this teapot storm.

due to many other reasonsIt was, among other reasons, in order to
follow these policies, although of course not in prevention of a
crisis they may well have not been fully aware of (but ), that they
tried to modify the foreign trade tariffs, particularly those applied


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[Marxism] I rest my case

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2010/2/7 Leonardo Kosloff holmof...@hotmail.com:
 


 Well, since you are asking so nicely Gorojovsky, I think this Jorge Giles 
 really writes for the ‘giles’

What else could be expected from a sepoy leftist?

The deep conviction that the Arg people are all fools and any
bourgeois smartass can show them a carrot and take them far away from
what the Enlightened Left has to offer is still as alive as it was in
1945, when this is exactly the way the Communist newsletter
Orientación illustrated the main article on October 17th.

The article by Jorge Giles is weak in theory and strong in facts.

But what LK believes is that these facts are not facts, they are just
fulbito para la tribuna (nice games to entertain the public)

I rest my case. This is the main thrust of the Arg Left, in all its
sad glory. This is why they put such a bad name on everything that
would be seriously called Left in this country.


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[Marxism] The Iñigo Carreras [Re: To have it all backwards]

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Yes, the Iñigo Carreras are a family of long and important standing in
our sepoy Left. Juan´s father, if I am not wrong, was a very important
leader in that Socialist Party that took by assault the unions under
the surveillance of the Navy after 1955. The Party that gave an
Ambassador to Portugal to Videla in 1976. The Ambassador that had
misquoted Shakespear in 1956 at the sight of the shootings of
Peronists in June that the milk of clemency had ended.

Anyway, I prefer Juan Iñigo Carrera to many others. In his attempt to
write the way Marx did, from time to time, he hits some lode. Though
he never realizes what does that lode mean.

2010/2/7 Louis Proyect l...@panix.com:
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Leonardo Kosloff wrote:
How does capital accumulate in Argentina? Why is the
working class to do this? is explained here
http://www.cicpint.org/jinigo/articulos/argentina/articulo%20HM.pdf
by Juan Iñigo Carrera, (particularly page 9 through page 20, and page
32 through 35). For Gorojovsky, however, he should read with an open
scientific mind, if he can, ‘La formación económica de la sociedad
Argentina’, also by Juan Iñigo Carrera.

This must be the same Juan Iñigo who was a subscriber to the very first
Marxism list on the Internet. We used to get big laughs out of his
attempt to write as if he were Karl Marx's avatar. Here's a sample of
his prose. If anybody ever finds me writing nonsense like this, they
have permission to throw a custard pie in my face:

http://www.cicpint.org/cicp/congreso%20marx%20int/Juan%20Inigo_Presentation%20english.pdf

The need inherent within the capitalist mode of production to develop
itself towards its own overcoming into the general conscious
organization of social production immediately presents us with the
process of the development of consciousness. A consciousness able to
organize the totality of the process of social production must have
attained the power inherent in the fullness of objective knowledge, that
is, it needs to be a completely free consciousness. Nevertheless, it can
not reach this condition as an offspring of the previous overcoming of
the capitalist mode of production. On the contrary, this overcoming is
the offspring of the complete development of free consciousness.
Therefore, complete free consciousness must necessarily be the most
genuine product of the capitalist mode of production itself. More
concretely yet, it must needs be the product of the social subject that
the capitalist mode of production objectively determines as the bearer
of its own overcoming, resulting from the same process in which the
subject undertakes this overcoming. In a nutshell, the consciousness in
question can only be developed as the product of the political action of
the working class in the process of overcoming the capitalist mode of
production. This action takes, as its necessary concrete form, the
advance in the socialization of private labor by means of the
centralization of capital as an alienated social property, which is to
say, as property of the state. The consciousness of the working class
able to overcome the capitalist mode of production can only be developed
as a concrete necessary moment of the aforementioned process of capital
centralization.

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[Marxism] Acres and hectares

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Sorry, 250 hectares are NOT 1000 acres.

There is .44 hectares in an acre.

So what some (not me) are saying is that Solanas owns some 550 acres
of soy bean plantations.



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[Marxism] Fossils laid bare (second part)

2010-02-06 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

 (sometimes by quite unhappy
methods, BTW) that socialists outside the core countries should give
away any serious organizing so they would allow the bourgeois stage
to come to its happy ending. The results of this have been widely
known, and won´t return to them. A reaction to this sad and grim
suggestion was that the idea that in fact the bourgeois stage was
equally ended in Ouagadougou, in Tokyo, in Beijing or in Stockholm.
The results are still deployed.

In countries such as Argentina, the result is simply that he Left
denounces not just the bourgeoisie (a mythical bourgeoisie, by the
way, where petty scoundrels like any little shop owner are equated to
Nelson Rockefeller) but -and this is the serious thing- the absolutely
rational (and radical, and revolutionary) will of the masses of the
country to take to completion the bourgeois tasks. Which, first and
foremost, imply national liberation from imperialism and, in the case
of Argentina, the re-unification of South America as a first step
towards that of Latin America as a whole. This will, as explained by a
Lev Davidovich Bronstein, forces the revolution into a socialist
stage in a process that he suggested to define as permanent
revolution. But permanent revolution, in Trotsky´s mind, did BY NO
MEANS imply that the socialists should wage a war against the local
national bourgeois movements in alliance with the local
representations of imperialist power.

When such Leftists explain that Argentina is fully capitalist,
what they say is, in fact, that socialists must struggle, first and
foremost, against the bourgeoisie, because this bourgeoisie is fully
welded to imperialist interest and, in fact, is the very
representative of imperialism in the country. Evidence against this
silly word of faith is absolutely disregarded, of course. The fact
that nobody did more to strangle the Argentinean march towards the
completion of bourgeois revolution after 1976 was NOT the bourgeoisie
but imperialism and the oligarchy is hidden by those foolish and
senseless generalizations (which remind one of the basic tenet of
bourgeois economists, according to which market relations and
capitalism are one and the same thing) the only purpose of which is,
however, to take sides with imperialism against the people of the
country you live in. It is an OBJECTIVE purpose, I am not saying that
Leftists understand this. It is precisely to impede them this
understanding that sepoy Leftism exists. It is not personal. It is
social and political.

And, politically and socially, for example, when an Argentinean
government puts an end to the dictatorship of monetarists in the
Central Bank, and places a left wing Keynesian developmentist there,
a gesture that has put the whole proimperialist bloc against it, these
Leftists warn the workers not to fall prey of bourgeois illusions,
to remain isolated of the whole of the society, and to leave the
government in isolation too. So that it will fall down, not to the
benefit of the Leftists, but of the actual truth hidden in their
musings, the historic truth that they have served, once again,
imperialist interest by detaching masses of the middle classes from
the national front exactly when they were most necessary.

This is what is happening in Argentina today. This is all the truth
behind the bombast of this Left with the foreign debt issue.

This is what Kosloff means in Argentina.

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[Marxism] On the fatidic role of the Left in Argentina

2010-01-27 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

 tendrían mejores
posibilidades con Cobos o Macri de presidentes, por aquello de cuanto
peor, mejor.

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[Marxism] [Spa, short intro Eng] A reasonable Marxist position on the Arg Central Bank / Foreign Debt issue

2010-01-25 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

 gobierno que rectifique su política de pagar deuda
   externa con divisas y/o recursos presupuestarios. Debemos apoyarlo
   en su decreto de cesantía de Redrado. Y plantearle que haya
   inmediatamente un proyecto de nueva ley de entidades financieras
   para acabar con la que viene de Adolfo Diz-Martínez de Hoz y la
   dictadura militar. También hay que reclamarle que se dicte una nueva
   carta orgánica del Central, que lo vincule con la producción, el
   empleo y el desarrollo nacional.

               Con respecto a la deuda externa es cierto que gobiernos
   anteriores, incluso Kirchner con el canje de 2005, la legalizaron.
   Pero eso no significa que no pueda y deba revisarse. Siempre se está
   a tiempo de defender el interés nacional, por lo que desde el PL
   planteamos que el gobierno declare una suspensión de pagos y haga un
   análisis de la deuda, similar a lo que hizo el año pasado el
   presidente Rafael Correa, de Ecuador. Así se pagará sólo lo que
   corresponda.

               No aceptamos el falso “tercerismo” que iguala al
   gobierno democrático con la oposición destituyente. No es lo mismo
   Cristina que Cobos, Macri, Carrió, De Narváez y Duhalde. No es lo
   mismo Mercedes Marcó del Pont que Redrado. No es lo mismo Página/12
   y Canal 7 que el monopolio Clarín. No son lo mismo los juicios a los
   genocidas que la amnistía pedida por Guelar (PRO). No es lo mismo la
   participación en Unasur que la simpatía opositora por los fascistas
   Uribe y Piñera.

               Llamamos a todas las fuerzas de izquierda auténtica, de
   centroizquierda y progresistas, a los kirchneristas más decididos, a
   los diversos sectores nacionales y populares, a movilizarnos unidos
   para golpear duro sobre la asociación ilícita de
   Cobos-Redrado-Clarín y fondos buitres. Y en ese marco pedir al
   gobierno nacional las rectificaciones y cambios políticos que en
   2010 ya no caben excusas para no hacer y que por no hacerlos a
   tiempo se le están volviendo en contra.



   COMITÉ CENTRAL DEL PARTIDO DE LA LIBERACIÓN (PL)
   Buenos Aires, 13 de enero de 2010
   www.pl.org.ar




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Re: [Marxism] Oh, Rosa...

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2010/1/17 S. Artesian sartes...@earthlink.net:


 And what bullshit is sprayed about as standing with  Marx and Engels.

 So much for Nestor's self-anointed pious silence.

I was just sighing in public. Am I forbidden by Master Schanoes to
deplore the bad luck of poor Rosa Luxemburg?

Qui s´excuse s´accuse.

What the above means is that among what Schanoes calls bullshit is
all that Lenin and Trotsky had to say against what they considered
Rosa´s mistakes.

BTW: what English calls pious and Spanish piadoso don´t overlap fully.

There is a particular sense of piadoso that the English pious does
not convey, which is that of sadly deploring other people´s fate,
situation, condition or behavior, for the consequences they bring on
that very people. This requires no ointment at all.

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[Marxism] OK, you win Master Sch. / and a BTW

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Sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh

Bye, you different tradition...

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BTW, when I say that I am too busy, please read too busy to deal
seriously, carefully and in depth with chatterboxes with no interest
for the political goals of revolution in Argentina. That is a job
others do superbly on Marxmail and at last I have learnt that it was
not my task at all.

But I did _never_ mean to be too busy to make fun of Master Schanoes
with some incidental remark. Or to bait him into rage with some side
comment, and see if he catches the bait.

Don´t for a second believe, Gospodar Schanoes, that if I considered it
useful and necessary to smash your positions to the empty hollowness
they actually are. Not you in person, Herr Schanoes, not you at all.

I am, just like all of my comrades and as you have very well put,
Schanoes Adoní, a phisical coward who hides behind a computer screen
and never faces enemies -save for some policemen and military during
mass mobilisations in Argentina, 1972 onwards. Not you then. After
some menace you made to me, I have decided never to step on the US of
Am or anywhere that lies at less than 7000 kilometers of NYCity.

Not you, Signore Schanoes, just the positions you espouse.

I expect you will keep making me smile with your responses, Maître
Schanoes. While the moderator doesn´t ask me to stop with it, I will
keep pinching you. It is a funny sport. And up to this moment, it has
offered some me of the best laughs in the day. What was it that the
Reader´s Digest said, that laughter was a sure medicine?


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[Marxism] A correction to OK, you win Master Sch. / and a BTW

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Where I wrote, full of fear and horror at the very thought of Almighty
Schanoes rumbling on me like a locomotive (you see, we do have
something in common, which is a love for railroading although, as
always, Godlike Schanoes, nay, Godhimself Schanoes -sorry- has the
better side on me because -and this I really envy- he works or has
worked in the field!), well, where, shaken by fear the way winds shake
a bunch of miserable hanging moss in a magnolia forest during a
hurricane, I wrote

Don´t for a second believe, Gospodar Schanoes, that if I considered
it useful and necessary to smash your positions to the empty
hollowness they actually are. Not you in person, Herr Schanoes, not
you at all.

I am, just like all of my comrades and as you have very well put,
Schanoes Adoní, a phisical coward who hides behind a computer screen
and never faces enemies -save for some policemen and military during
mass mobilisations in Argentina, 1972 onwards.

I must be understood to have wanted to write, hadn´t panic put me out
of my senses:

Don´t for a second believe, Gospodar Schanoes, that if I considered
it useful and necessary to smash your positions to the empty
hollowness they actually are anything or anybody would refrain me from
doing so. Not even my notorious problems with English.

But not you in person, Herr Schanoes, not you at all. I am, just like
all of my comrades and as you have very well put, Schanoes Adoní, a
phisical coward who hides behind a computer screen and never faces
enemies -save for some policemen and military during
mass mobilisations in Argentina, 1972 onwards.

Best, on too warm a Summer morning in humid Buenos Aires not to feel
some fun on my ponderous enemy won´t help me getting along through the
day.

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Re: [Marxism] OK you win .....

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No, Dennis, be reassured. It is representative of the most oppressed
and combative masses of the Arg people. Just that.

The Left is well represented by the likes of Kosloff and other similar people.

That is why the Arg workers have dug it under more than six feet sixty
five years ago.

That is why the Arg Left, that mainstream Left, will never (nor does
want any more, if it ever wanted) lead our working class anywhere but
to disaster.

2010/1/17 Dennis Brasky dmozart1...@gmail.com:
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 If this drivel is at all representative of the Argentinian left - OY



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Re: [Marxism] Freya von Moltke, Part of a Core of Nazi Resistance, Is Dead at 98

2010-01-13 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

) of the newly found German Empire (or Reich) at
 Versailles while the Parisians rose up in the Commune against this and the
 greedy machinations of Thiers and the haute bourgoisie who dined with Kaiser
 and Bismarck at Versailles.


 The circle and the Moltke family benefited from the immense prestige of
 Count Moltke’s military ancestor.

 
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[Marxism] Easier yet [Re: Salvadoran VP to visit Cuba -- first such contact in 48 years]

2009-12-05 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

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Perhaps there´s an easier explanation. Funes shit his pants. From the
structural point of view, El Salvador is a Honduras to the nth power.

2009/12/4 Fred Feldman ffeld...@bellatlantic.net:

 Dave is right, as was Greg who posted shortly before I did. I was not up to
 date on El Salvador. There is deepening polarization among the forces
 representing change in Latin America. Funes' vague support for the
 elected successor to the coup regime is one signal, but more important is
 his break process with the FMLN. El Salvador was ultra-polarized long before
 Honduras. As in Nicaragua, the civil war still lives, and also the US role
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[Marxism] [Spanish, sorry] My cde. Battistoni answers to some rrrrrrevolutionaries

2009-11-26 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

. El capital
estatal se encuentra entrelazado al capital extranjero en la industria
petrolera y, de un modo general, en la creciente deuda pública y
externa, en tanto que las nacionalizaciones no entrañaron una
expropiación del capital sino un intercambio entre activos productivos
o bancarios por generosas indemnizaciones de fuente pública.

En estos términos, una V Internacional para este Socialismo del Siglo
XXI supone una regresión respecto de las cuatro internacionales
previas, no exclusivamente sobre la IV o III; es, incluso, un
contrasentido histórico. No hace falta decir que se pone atrás de la I
Internacional, que abogaba por la acción colectiva del proletariado de
los principales países para una emancipación de los trabajadores por
los trabajadores mismos. Chávez, pero más que nada sus seguidores
‘marxistas', confunden interesadamente la centralización
revolucionaria que desarrolla un partido de clase con la que ejerce un
caudillo bonapartista. El bonapartismo busca siempre un apoyo en las
masas, es cierto, pero lo hace mediante la regimentación y es un
opositor violento a su acción libre y autoemancipadora. Esta confusión
ha convertido al bonapartismo de masas en un ‘hecho maldito' de la
sociedad burguesa, sea ésta la francesa de Napoleón, incluso la
alemana de Bismarck y, por cierto, la argentina y venezolana del
primer Perón y de Chávez.

Dicho todo esto, es incontrovertible que es necesaria una
Internacional revolucionaria, en especial ante la gigantesca
bancarrota capitalista mundial. Nuestro partido planteó una campaña en
torno a esta tarea a partir de la crisis mundial y de las
restauraciones capitalistas. El tema está objetivamente en la agenda y
hasta en las gateras. Para eso es necesario comenzar por algo
concreto, no a partir de divagaciones en auditorios absurdos. Ese algo
concreto es discutir el programa de la última internacional, la IV
–cuya vigencia ha crecido en muchos aspectos, en lugar de disminuir,
en especial por la confirmación de su pronóstico sobre la restauración
capitalista que la burocracia incubada en el país del ‘socialismo
real'. Esta discusión y las conclusiones que se vayan desprendiendo de
ella en términos de acción, son el punto de partida de la
Internacional que podrá aprovechar la bancarrota capitalista en
desarrollo, para poner fin al capitalismo.
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Re: [Marxism] Venezuela, Colombia and the threat of war in Latin America

2009-11-10 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

The threat is actual. No kidding. Border incidents have already begun.

2009/11/10 Stuart Munckton stuartmunck...@gmail.com:
 http://www.greenleft.org.au/2009/817/42020


 Venezuela, Colombia and the threat of war in Latin America
 Kiraz Janicke, Caracas
 7 November 2009


 *The possibility of an imperialist war in the Americas came a step closer on
 October 30, when Colombia and the United States finalised a 10-year accord.
 The agreement allows the US to hugely expand its military presence in the
 Latin American nation.*

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[Marxism] Fwd: [A-List] Why the international media lies about events in Latin America

2009-10-26 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

, 2009.

[4]
http://www.liberation.fr/monde/0101593847-le-honduras-s-enfonce-dans-la-crise.

[5] It is interesting at this point to note the initiative of Hugo Chavez’
government on April 11, 2008, six years after the putsch. The government
used its right to broadcast on the private and public TV stations to show a
re-run of the entire reportage produced by the anti-Chavist private channels
(Globovisión, RCTV) on the official inauguration session of the president
and the putschist government in a reception room in the Miraflores
presidential palace. The complete program was re-broadcast without any cuts
or critical commentary by the Chavez government. Chavez relied on the
critical acumen of Venezuelan viewers to form their own opinion on the
active complicity of the private media with those behind the putsch, among
whom the viewer could identify the leading Catholic church authorities, the
putschist military brass, the head of the anti-Chavist labour union CTV
(Confederation of Workers of Venezuela), the chief executives of private
corporations and the president of the Venezuelan Federation of Chambers of
Commerce (Fedecámaras), Pedro Carmona. It should be said that Carmona, who
held power for scarcely 36 hours, earned the enduring nickname of “Pepe el
breve” (Pepe the brief).

[6] On February 23, 1981, an attempted coup d’état organised by Francoist
sectors took place in the Spanish congress. The leader, Colonel Tejero, held
the members of parliament present at gunpoint and took them hostage as the
new president of the government was being sworn in.

[7] See
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/index.html,
consulted in March 2009.






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Re: [Marxism] Where is Trotsky St.?

2009-10-25 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky

Also in:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=R.+Trotsky+-+Cid.+Cont.+-+Setor+%C3%81sia,+Serra+-+ES,+Braziloe=utf-8client=firefox-aie=UTF8hl=enct=clnkcd=1geocode=FQ5jy_4dAj6a_Qsplit=0

Which lies in Serra, Espírito Santo, Brasil.

2009/10/24 Greg McDonald saboca...@gmail.com:
 http://maps.google.com/maps?q=trotsky%20streetoe=utf-8rls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-aum=1ie=UTF-8sa=Nhl=entab=wl

 Haha, That's really too much. Trotsky St. interesects with the
 Martyrs of Chicago, and is two blocks down from Josef Stalin and
 three blocks from Emiliano Zapata St.

 Mexico City, of course.

 
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Re: [Marxism] when will the Palestinian people deal with the traitors?

Certainly the Israeli and USAmerican peoples deal with theirs

2009/10/7 Dennis Brasky dmozart1...@gmail.com:


 
 http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/oh-people-of-palestineif-not-bulletspray-tellwhere-are-your-shoes/
 

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/05/fatah-hamas-torture-trial


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Re: [Marxism] Daniel Guerin

2009/10/7 Shane Mage shm...@pipeline.com:

 On Oct 7, 2009, at 5:22 PM, Greg McDonald wrote:

 I had read Guerin's fine book on anarchism many years ago, but had not
 read Fascism and Big Business until Shane mentioned it a few months
 ago on this list. Still working my way through it, but I must say it
 sure is an excellent book.

 Could you translate for us the other two titles that you mentioned,
 Shane?

 One title:

 Bourgeois et Bras Nus:  La Lutte des Classes sous la Première
 République.
 The bourgeoisie and the shirtless ones: the class struggle during the
 First Republic.

Wow.

La burguesía y los descamisados: la lucha de clases durante la
Primera República.

It would be most interesting if someone made a serious history of this
issue in Argentina, understanding of course that the First Republic,
from the workers´ point of view, has been the first Peronist
government (1945 to 1955). The internal class struggle within the
national front is a matter worth studying, indeed.

Provided, of course, one does not establish as a given and first datum
the idea that workers were stupid enough to be duped by the
bourgeoisie, etc.

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Re: [Marxism] when will the Palestinian people deal with the traitors?

No need, Dennis. I know Yiddish, and I understand what you mean.

BTW, in Spanish it is spelt potz.

And the translation is pelotudo.

Now, this for you.

Up your ass.

Sorry, Mr. Moderator, won´t do it again.

2009/10/7 Dennis Brasky dmozart1...@gmail.com:
 On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Néstor Gorojovsky nmg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Certainly the Israeli and USAmerican peoples deal with theirs

 does anyone know how to translate putz into espanol;?
 
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[Marxism] A mistake Re: when will the Palestinian people deal with the traitors?