Re: M-TH: Ali BBC sportsperson of the century

2000-01-05 Thread J.WALKER
Hello all, I'm afraid I have reconnected to a computer now, so to skip back a week or so, Chris wrote: > An awareness of class and national oppression is absorbed in childhood. > A child notices whether their mother or father is treated with respect > and by whom ... Much of this is subcons

Re: M-TH: Ali BBC sportsperson of the century

1999-12-28 Thread Chris Burford
On 23rd December John wrote: >My problem is that part of this enforced celebration means that I no >longer have access to a computer over this period, so I will just >have to save up all my posts until everything reopens. I look forward >to reading everyone else when I return. > On 21/12/

Re: M-TH: Ali BBC sportsperson of the century

1999-12-21 Thread J.WALKER
Chris replied: > I agree there are reservations about boxing. It is dangerous. I don't actually remember mentioning its danger to the health of boxers as a reason to oppose it (perhaps CB did). If people want to beat each other to a pulp then IM(liberal)O they are in most circumstances perfectl

Re: M-TH: Ali BBC sportsperson of the century

1999-12-19 Thread Hugh Rodwell
Chris B writes: >Like Hugh, (who essentially agrees with me apart from having to take a >customary swipe at reformism) I also remember the black power salute at the >Olympics. That took courage. I don't essentially agree with Chris. I essentially disagree with him precisely because of the reform

Re: M-TH: Ali BBC sportsperson of the century

1999-12-18 Thread Chris Burford
Charles Brown and John Walker made some interesting criticisms of my post a few days ago about Ali winning the BBC sportsperson of the century award. I agree there are reservations about boxing. It is dangerous. Fortunately there has been no suggestion that Ali's Parkinson's disease comes from th

Re: M-TH: Ali BBC sportsperson of the century

1999-12-15 Thread Charles Brown
With due respect to Chris, I think John Walker makes some very valid points below. Interjections: >>> "J.WALKER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/15/99 07:17AM >>> Good morning Chris, What I objected to and what completely mystifies me is (other than a sort of chaos theory of everything inevitable link

Re: M-TH: Ali BBC sportsperson of the century

1999-12-15 Thread J.WALKER
Good morning Chris, I would love to spell out my criticism of Gramski in great detail but the truth is that not coming from the eurocommunist wing I know almost nothing about him or his brand of communism, except your remark. What I objected to and what completely mystifies me is (other than

Re: M-TH: Ali BBC sportsperson of the century

1999-12-13 Thread Chris Burford
At 09:09 13/12/99 GMT, John Walker wrote: >Chris actually wrote that: >> One of the problems of a Gramscian concept of revolutionary change in a >> developed capitalist society it what individual changes are significant, >> however small. > >If Mohammad Ali was voted Sports personality of the ce

Re: M-TH: Ali BBC sportsperson of the century

1999-12-13 Thread Rob Schaap
Well, mebbe you're not as old as I am, John, but ten years ago the term 'great white hope' was still freely and widely used to describe anyone with a remote chance of reclaiming the title for whitedom. And twenty-five years ago, Ali rarely missing an opportunity to talk into all those mikes about

Re: M-TH: Ali BBC sportsperson of the century

1999-12-13 Thread J.WALKER
Chris actually wrote that: > One of the problems of a Gramscian concept of revolutionary change in a > developed capitalist society it what individual changes are significant, > however small. If Mohammad Ali was voted Sports personality of the century is really such a revolutionary change odd

M-TH: Ali BBC sportsperson of the century

1999-12-12 Thread Chris Burford
One of the problems of a Gramscian concept of revolutionary change in a developed capitalist society it what individual changes are significant, however small. Last night felt like one of them. The BBC had its votes for outstanding sports people of the year and the century. Mohammed Ali won the