M-TH: Re: Paragraph on Balkans

1999-06-01 Thread Charles Brown
>>> Rob Schaap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/30/99 02:47AM >>> That said, to use Marx's geological metaphor (and I think the tectonic angle a good analogy indeed - even if it does give comfort to all you naturalist-dialectical materialists), ( CB: Think of it as using the dialectic of a n

M-TH: Re: Paragraph on Balkans

1999-06-01 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Andy, You write: >I have myself begun to rethink the idea of reformism. I have a webpage >titled "Reformist Socialism." This webpage has links to DSA and so forth. >But what I really mean is "reformist capitalism," since DSA is not working >to reform socialism, but to reform capitalism. Bu

Re: M-TH: Re: Paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-29 Thread Doug Henwood
Andrew Wayne Austin wrote: >I have myself begun to rethink the idea of reformism. I have a webpage >titled "Reformist Socialism." This webpage has links to DSA and so forth. >But what I really mean is "reformist capitalism," since DSA is not working >to reform socialism, but to reform capitalism.

M-TH: Re: Paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-29 Thread JD Palmer
Chris asked for the "charter" for this list. This is the closest thing I could find, as the old Spoon site seems to be very out of date and rather dosiorganized at this stage, and I don't know if there is any longer a central hub for these lists. I don't post this as an endorsement or rebuke

Re: M-TH: Re: Paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-29 Thread Andrew Wayne Austin
I have myself begun to rethink the idea of reformism. I have a webpage titled "Reformist Socialism." This webpage has links to DSA and so forth. But what I really mean is "reformist capitalism," since DSA is not working to reform socialism, but to reform capitalism. But that is problematic in its

Re: M-TH: Re: Paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-29 Thread Rob Schaap
In the interests of avoiding formalism, I suggest the following outline approximates the principles articulated in the charter ... Anyone who is prepared to discuss issues germaine to Marxist theory and practice in good faith, be they self-professed Marxists or otherwise, whether they favour refo

Re: M-TH: Re: Paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-28 Thread Chris Burford
At 17:00 28/05/99 GMT, you wrote: >Chris, > >I think you might want to note that this list is aimed at MARXISTS >not left reformists (to whom I would hope it would be opposed!) and >the Guardian has never been Marxist. Could I ask Rob and Bill to republish the list charter, or whatever it is c

Re: M-TH: Re: Paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-28 Thread Andrew Wayne Austin
On Fri, 28 May 1999, J.WALKER, ILL wrote: >the Guardian has never been Marxist. >From the editorial page of the Guardian, 1978: "Racism is institutionalized in the U.S. because it is an indispensable prop of the capitalist system. White supremacy and the prevalence of racist ideology make possib

Re: M-TH: Re: Paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-28 Thread J.WALKER, ILL
Chris, I think you might want to note that this list is aimed at MARXISTS not left reformists (to whom I would hope it would be opposed!) and the Guardian has never been Marxist. In fact it was set up as a Liberal paper and is still funded by the, politically Liberal, Scott Trust (named after

Re: M-TH: Re: Paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-27 Thread Chris Burford
At 16:31 27/05/99 +0100, you wrote: > > >>No, one of the lessons of the communist international was the difficulty >>of imposing a line centrally which might not fit in with the concrete >>conditions in a particular country. >> >>One of my objections is that the US leftists who dominate these e-ma

Re: M-TH: Re: Paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-27 Thread Russ
>No, one of the lessons of the communist international was the difficulty >of imposing a line centrally which might not fit in with the concrete >conditions in a particular country. > >One of my objections is that the US leftists who dominate these e-mail >lists are not allowing an effective ven

Re: M-TH: Re: Paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-26 Thread Chris Burford
At 13:29 25/05/99 +0100, Russ wrote: >>At 01:03 25/05/99 +, Dave B wrote: >> >>>We do not support ANY action by imperialism. >> >>Very revolutionary! >> >>What about the second world war? > >The Allies may have proclaimed that they were fighting for liberation, but >even a cursory glance at th

Re: M-TH: Re: Paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-25 Thread Russ
>At 01:03 25/05/99 +, Dave B wrote: > >>We do not support ANY action by imperialism. > >Very revolutionary! > >What about the second world war? The Allies may have proclaimed that they were fighting for liberation, but even a cursory glance at the evidence points to a very different conclusio

M-TH: re: Paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-25 Thread J.WALKER, ILL
Steve, Thanks for the info. on London. Up here, in Manchester, Workers Power are the only active Marxist organisation (I'm not sure if Socialist Outlook is Marxist) which is campaigning hard and vosiferously for the K.L.A. Regards John Walker N.B. I have not even seen WorkersFIGHT on sale a

Re: M-TH: Re: Paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-24 Thread Chris Burford
At 01:03 25/05/99 +, Dave B wrote: >We do not support ANY action by imperialism. Very revolutionary! What about the second world war? > "We" therefore are not >located in any specific country. Such purity to the spirit of idealism! Chris Burford London --- from list [

Re: M-TH: Re: Paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-24 Thread Dave Bedggood
John wrote: > Dave wrote: > > Kosovars should defend themselves also against any Serb oppression. > > Surely they are defending themselves by calling on the assistance of > NATO to arm and fight for them. You might not agree but that was > their decision. We do not support ANY action by impe

M-TH: Re: Paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-24 Thread J.WALKER, ILL
Dave wrote: > Kosovars should defend themselves also against any Serb oppression. Surely they are defending themselves by calling on the assistance of NATO to arm and fight for them. You might not agree but that was their decision. > We hope that multiethnic militias can stop Serb oppression a

SV: M-TH: Re: paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-24 Thread Bob Malecki
> > > John, > This is not correct. There is a London-based committee that has just held > a meeting of over a hundred comrades on the slogans: Stop the Nato War! - > Self-Determination for Kosova! - Open All the Borders! > > Organisers of this committee (which is now organising other

Re: M-TH: Re: paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-22 Thread Estevm
In a message dated 20/05/99 12:31:29 GMT, you write: << One final more general point is one the varing responses of the left. In Britain the support for Yugoslavia is coming from the Old Pro- Soviet Communist Parties with the bulk of the left remaining relatively neutral and the Trotskyist W

Re: M-TH: Re: paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-22 Thread Estevm
In a message dated 20/05/99 12:31:29 GMT, you write: << One final more general point is one the varing responses of the left. In Britain the support for Yugoslavia is coming from the Old Pro- Soviet Communist Parties with the bulk of the left remaining relatively neutral and the Trotskyist W

Re: M-TH: Re: paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-22 Thread Dave Bedggood
Rob rote, G'day Dave, A quibble ... You write: >When NATO and imperialism are defeated or out of >the Balkans, we can call for the implementation of self-determination >for Kosovo. It may be that the result will be a Kosovar Socialist >Republic in a Balkan Federation which will include Ser

M-TH: Re: paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-21 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Dave, A quibble ... You write: >When NATO and imperialism are defeated or out of >the Balkans, we can call for the implementation of self-determination >for Kosovo. It may be that the result will be a Kosovar Socialist >Republic in a Balkan Federation which will include Serbia, Croatia

Re: M-TH: Re: paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-21 Thread Dave Bedggood
John Walker wrote: Just a BRIEF reply to Dave's reply to Rob. Without wanting to sound too sectarian there were a few points in the repy which don't seem to make much sense to me. The arguement appears to be that we should defend Yugoslavia as well as supporting the right of Kosovars to defen

SV: M-TH: Re: paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-20 Thread Bob Malecki
Jim replies to Dave! > > Without wanting to sound too sectarian there were a few points in the > repy which don't seem to make much sense to me. The arguement appears > to be that we should defend Yugoslavia as well as supporting the > right of Kosovars to defend themselves. Rob's 'dual defeat

M-TH: Re: paragraph on Balkans

1999-05-20 Thread J.WALKER, ILL
Just a BRIEF reply to Dave's reply to Rob. Without wanting to sound too sectarian there were a few points in the repy which don't seem to make much sense to me. The arguement appears to be that we should defend Yugoslavia as well as supporting the right of Kosovars to defend themselves. Rob's