Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did Vladimir Lenin Predict The Banking Disaster Of 2008?

2010-11-22 Thread c b
Yes, the word predict is a bit crude, but the direction of capitalism as imperialism = finance capitalism and more and more concentration of wealth (monopoly) fulfills the trends that Lenin made famous. ( Lenin made Hilferding's ideas famous). And the concentration of wealth is in the finance

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Moral dilemma

2010-11-22 Thread c b
The same sort of things got said about SLs (which made loans to urban neighborhoods) and junk bonds (which were used to finance government and business in urban neighborhoods). CJ CB: I didn't know this. Did you ever look at that _The Creature from Jekyll Island_ which was written

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did Vladimir Lenin Predict The Banking Disaster Of 2008?

2010-11-22 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/22/2010 9:10:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cb31...@gmail.com writes: Yes, the word predict is a bit crude, but the direction of capitalism as imperialism = finance capitalism and more and more concentration of wealth (monopoly) fulfills the trends that Lenin made

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did Vladimir Lenin Predict The Banking Disaster Of 2008?

2010-11-22 Thread Waistline2
I agree that concentration and centralization of productive forces grow out of the inherent logic of industrial - electro-mechanical, reproduction. In the Soviet Union concentration and centralization of productive forces created expanding public wealth without centralization and

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did Vladimir Lenin Predict The Banking Disaster Of 2008?

2010-11-22 Thread Waistline2
Comment The property aspect of production relations (social relations of production with the property relations within) have NOT changed or what is the same, the wage labor form remains the wage labor form. Bourgeois private property remains bourgeois although this form of wealth is

[Marxism-Thaxis] Who's correct about human nature, the left or the right?

2010-11-22 Thread c b
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/20/human-nature-politics-left-right#start-of-comments Who's correct about human nature, the left or the right? Most conservatives see it as 'common sense' that humans are selfishly competitive – but things looked different pre-capitalism

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did Vladimir Lenin Predict The Banking Disaster Of 2008?

2010-11-22 Thread c b
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:22 AM, waistli...@aol.com wrote: I agree that concentration and centralization of productive forces grow out  of the inherent logic of industrial - electro-mechanical, reproduction. CB: I think Marx's position is that it is inherent to the logic of the

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did Vladimir Lenin Predict The Banking Disaster Of 2008?

2010-11-22 Thread c b
.the tendency of imperialism to split the workers, to strengthen opportunism among them and to cause temporary decay in the working-class movement, revealed itself much earlier than the end of the nineteenth and the beginning of the twentieth centuries; for two important distinguishing features of

[Marxism-Thaxis] shadow banking system

2010-11-22 Thread Waistline2
(The Federal Reserve chart is available at _www.ny.frb.org/research/staff_reports/sr458.pdf_ (http://www.ny.frb.org/research/staff_reports/sr458.pdf) ) Road map that opens up shadow banking By Gillian Tett Financial Times November 18 2010 This week, a senior banker friend gave me a

[Marxism-Thaxis] Pope's condom comments may impact AIDS fight, his legacy

2010-11-22 Thread c b
://detnews.com/article/20101122/LIFESTYLE04/11220335/Pope’s-condom-comments-may-impact-AIDS-fight--his-legacy#ixzz1620ARcAv ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http

[Marxism-Thaxis] Quantitative Easing

2010-11-22 Thread c b
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[Marxism-Thaxis] Homeless - 8,000 live in the Fl. woods

2010-11-22 Thread Waistline2
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0V2MdklcAEfeature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0V2MdklcAEfeature=related) ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to:

[Marxism-Thaxis] Homeless in America: the real stuff

2010-11-22 Thread Waistline2
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Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did Vladimir Lenin Predict The Banking Disaster Of 2008?

2010-11-22 Thread Waistline2
CB: I think Marx's position is that it is inherent to the logic of the capitalist mode of production, wage-labor/capital property relations, regardless of the technological regime. The computerization of production doesn't change this tendency to concentration of wealth. It accelerates it,

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did Vladimir Lenin Predict The Banking Disaster Of 2008?

2010-11-22 Thread c b
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 3:30 PM, waistli...@aol.com wrote: CB: I think Marx's position is that it is inherent to the logic of the capitalist mode of production, wage-labor/capital property relations, regardless  of the technological regime. The computerization of production doesn't change  

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did Vladimir Lenin Predict The Banking Disaster Of 2008?

2010-11-22 Thread CeJ
As I posted before, it's deja vu all over again when you get down to what human relations create such crises. JP Morgan himself was caught up in helping to create the crisis, although he went down in history as one of those guys who helped overcome it. BTW, I don't necessarily agree with the