Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Evidence please. Productive . Industrial capital U have the

2009-01-07 Thread CeJ
WLSeems to me you do in fact get the distinction between productive capital and speculative capital. A good Ponzi scheme is not back until it collapses. Profits to be made from that side of the business constituting productive capital has never been bad business. I never said I didn't get such a

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Evidence please. Productive . Industrial capital U have...

2009-01-07 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/7/2009 12:28:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jann...@gmail.com writes: I'm not sure I'm following your arguments. One, who here has said that nothing has changed since Lenin? WL: CB . . . repeatedly and directly . . . in his line of arguing the existence of industrial

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Evidence please. Productive . Industrial capital U have the

2009-01-07 Thread CeJ
I guess one question here is why Ford, Chrysler and GM didn't re-invest profits into accumulating their industrial capital. One, if the goal was to reach a certain level of production to stay competitive in the world (what is the benchmark now, 2 million vehicles per year?), the most obvious

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Evidence please. Productive . Industrial capital U have the

2009-01-07 Thread CeJ
If only this guy would read Marx. No wait, that would just make him another HCKL or something similar to that. BTW, I noticed one of the more famous private equity groups, Carlyle Group, is trying to put together big deals in overseas universities. I guess they think 'American-quality' higher

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Evidence please. Productive . Industrial capital U have...

2009-01-07 Thread Mehmet Cagatay
Hello, I found this list via Jim Farmelant's post on Marxmail. After reading Waistline's arguments about the macro economic composition of capital and his brave challenge that provokes us to provide evidence to the existence of the SECTOR called industrial capital, eventually I decided to

[Marxism-Thaxis] Piaget and Marx

2009-01-07 Thread Charles Brown
CB: What are some of the specifics of that integration ? First, a correction. I must have imagined any Piaget-Vygotsky correspondence. Piaget only found out about Vygotsky's work after his death, through contact

[Marxism-Thaxis] American capitalism is such that a speculative stock market dominates

2009-01-07 Thread Charles Brown
American capitalism is such that a speculative stock market dominates the policies of businesses. by Lawrence E Mitchell AlterNet (December 22 2008) Editor's Note: The following is an edited excerpt from The Speculation Economy: How Finance Triumphed Over Industry (2007), Lawrence

[Marxism-Thaxis] How Finance Capital Cripples Industrial Capital

2009-01-07 Thread Charles Brown
How Finance Capital Cripples Industrial Capital: The Role of Fractional Reserve Banking http://www.cbpa.drake.edu/hossein-zadeh/papers/HowFinanceCapital.htm [Published in Briefing Notes in Economics, Vol. 4, Issue No. 26 (January 1997).] Huge amounts of debt have plagued the economies of

[Marxism-Thaxis] Krugman critiques Obama stimulus plan

2009-01-07 Thread Charles Brown
Jim Devine wrote: but even FDR's Bonapartism was not very good in the early New Deal. The NRA, for example. Needed was mass pressure from the left. Lou Pro: Sad but true. With the left so weak, there is even less incentive for Obama to move boldly. If he has any motivation to create a kind of

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Krugman critiques Obama stimulus plan

2009-01-07 Thread Shane Mage
On Jan 7, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Charles Brown wrote: Brezhnev was to the left of...Krugman. How many counterrevolutionary invasions did Krugman launch? How many political opponents did he send to labor camps? How many did he imprison in mental hospitals? Was Krugman a Stalinist? Shane Mage

[Marxism-Thaxis] Evidence please. Productive . Industrial capital

2009-01-07 Thread Charles Brown
U have the CeJ jannuzi at I guess one question here is why Ford, Chrysler and GM didn't re-invest profits into accumulating their industrial capital. One, if the goal was to reach a certain level of production to stay competitive in the world (what is the benchmark now, 2 million vehicles per

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Krugman critiques Obama stimulus plan

2009-01-07 Thread Charles Brown
Shane Mage On Jan 7, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Charles Brown wrote: Brezhnev was to the left of...Krugman. How many counterrevolutionary invasions did Krugman launch? How many political opponents did he send to labor camps? How many did he imprison in mental hospitals? Was Krugman a

[Marxism-Thaxis] Manufacturing Tumbles Globally

2009-01-07 Thread Charles Brown
(Chart Redacted) a.. JANUARY 3, 2009 Page A-1 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123094144619950373.html Manufacturing Tumbles Globally By KELLY EVANS and ROBERT GUY MATTHEWS Manufacturing activity around the world fell sharply in December, suggesting that the U.S. recession will extend well

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Krugman critiques Obama stimulus plan

2009-01-07 Thread Shane Mage
On Jan 7, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Charles Brown wrote: Shane Mage On Jan 7, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Charles Brown wrote: Brezhnev was to the left of...Krugman. How many counterrevolutionary invasions did Krugman launch? How many political opponents did he send to labor camps? How many did he imprison

[Marxism-Thaxis] Krugman critiques Obama stimulus plan

2009-01-07 Thread Charles Brown
Shane Mage shm...@pipeline.com 01/07/2009 2:26 PM On Jan 7, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Charles Brown wrote: Shane Mage On Jan 7, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Charles Brown wrote: Brezhnev was to the left of...Krugman. How many counterrevolutionary invasions did Krugman launch? How many political opponents

[Marxism-Thaxis] Unemployment systems crash as jobless numbers hit 26-year high

2009-01-07 Thread Charles Brown
Unemployment systems crash as jobless numbers hit 26-year high Archive - Daily Online Author: John Wojcik People's Weekly World Newspaper, 01/07/09 14:53 Jobless benefit filing systems all over the country are crashing this week as an unprecedented wave of tens of thousands of

[Marxism-Thaxis] Another Crisis of Capitalism

2009-01-07 Thread Charles Brown
Another Crisis of Capitalism By Wadi’h Halabi click here for related stories: capitalism 11-24-08, 9:31 am Unfolding globally today is another capitalist crisis of overproduction and a corresponding crisis

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Evidence please. Productive . Industrial capital U hav...

2009-01-07 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/7/2009 2:30:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, farmela...@juno.com writes: Forwarded from Mehmet Cagatay. \ Reply Thank you very much for this contribution. You are quite correct in me taking categories of capital in their literal sense. This literal interpretation is

[Marxism-Thaxis] Bush a Socialist? Don't Make Me Laugh; Response

2009-01-07 Thread Charles Brown
Bush a Socialist? Don't Make Me Laugh By Joel Wendland click here for related stories: socialism 1-02-09, 10:14 am The Republican Party is lashing out again. This time at itself. Several media sources

[Marxism-Thaxis] Act Now! Imminent Vote on Fair Pay Legislation

2009-01-07 Thread Charles Brown
Act Now! Imminent Vote on Fair Pay Legislation From the National Organization for Women: Two important bills, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act (H.R. 11) and the Paycheck Fairness Act (H.R. 12), will be among the House of Representatives' first votes of the 111th Congress. Please take time now

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Krugman critiques Obama stimulus plan

2009-01-07 Thread Shane Mage
On Jan 7, 2009, at 6:33 PM, waistli...@aol.com wrote: I am one of those persons who once wore the mantel of Stalinism with pride. However, this tells no one of who I am or my body of politics or belief system. I tend to avoid such sloganeering and throwing Stalinism or Trotskyism at an

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Krugman critiques Obama stimulus plan

2009-01-07 Thread CeJ
You seem not to notice that the individual at whom I threw the brand Stalinist wasBrezhnev. Hey call me a Stalinist if you want, I couldn't give a toss, really--just don't call me a Krugmanite. I think the point to be made here though is we need more than Krugman to critique the evolution

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Evidence please. Productive . Industrial capital U have the

2009-01-07 Thread CeJ
And as the past 8 years (and before as well) have shown, MILITARISM really hasn't left the 'equation' and in fact has grown even more immense in its hold on the US. Of course we Marxists already knew this, but here is the analysis showing up in American academia (albeit from someone who is not

[Marxism-Thaxis] Revolution and the Role of New Ideas

2009-01-07 Thread Waistline2
Revolution and the Role of New Ideas The history of revolution shows that fundamental change in society does not occur without the introduction of new ideas. What we have in our favor today, over any other historical period, is that the conditions are favorable for abolishing private