Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did Vladimir Lenin Predict The Banking Disaster Of 2008?

2010-11-21 Thread CeJ
I don't think either CB or myself is arguing for Nostradamus status
here. What you haven't done is shown anything that would convince me
there has been some categorical change in relations of production and
capital that says this time is different different, other than history
doesn't repeat itself, each time is always different.

CJ

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Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did Vladimir Lenin Predict The Banking Disaster Of 2008?

2010-11-21 Thread Waistline2


Marx and Engels predicted cyclical crisis of capital, but never predicted  
when its outbreak would take place after their death. Neither did Lenin. 
 
 
Lenin's been dead for a while and did not predict the financial crisis - of 
 2008, as it "jumped" from big financial houses and accelerated crisis in 
the  economy. Nor did Lenin predict the scale and scope of the 2008 credit 
crisis.  Nor did Lenin predict the emergence of a new world wide non-banking 
financial  architecture. Nor did he predict the political domination of 
financial  speculation over the world total social capital or for that matter 
could see the  financial-industrial capital of his era, giving way to a new 
form of financial  domination, in a world no longer characterized as the direct 
colonial  relationship. 
 
Feudalism, the direct colonial relation and the ascendency of Fordism  
characterized the world Lenin lived in. This is not the world we live in today. 
 
The financial crisis of today plays itself out in a new environment. The  
financial houses of today are not the banks of the era of Lenin. On this 
issue I  trend to generally side with Michael Hudson and Henry C.K. Liu 
description of  the new non-banking financial regime. What I specifically agree 
with 
is their  description of the new post 1970's world wide financial 
architecture. 
 
The "post industrial revolution in the means of production," is "what" is  
different today from the era of Lenin. What is qualitatively different is a 
new  revolution in means of production compelling society to leap to a new 
social  organization of human labor, based on post industrial means of 
production.  Computers and advanced robotics are to electro-mechanics means of 
production  what the steam engine was to horse power and the water wheel or 
manufacture.  Computerized automation of industrial production has 
fundamentally challenged  capitalism. The process of development has been 
uneven; cause 
and effect not  immediately revealed; and even now when the transformation 
of society is evident  everywhere, many serious observers of society dismiss 
the seminal importance of  computerized production and advanced robotics. 

The form of the working class changes with qualitative changes in the  
tools, instruments and energy source deployed in the process of production. 
What 
 is NOT new is the property form of the workers called "proletariat." The  
working class, employed and unemployed retains its wage labor form of 
existence  as proletariat, with products retaining their commodity form, even 
as 
these  commodities are pushed towards zero labor. Zero labor implies below 
what is  required for the workers to reproduce themselves as a class and a 
world of  permanent intractable overcapacity, rather than "just" cyclical 
crisis. I  agree with Mr. Liu's unraveling of the impact of revolution in the 
means of  production and the emergence of permanent overcapacity as a new 
environment of  crisis of overproduction. 
 
What has changed is the underlying technology regime in society, as these  
mew means of production evolve in antagonism with the old technology regime 
and  the classes corresponding to it. .
 
WL. 

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[Marxism-Thaxis] Moral dilemma

2010-11-21 Thread CeJ
>>CB: Yes, objectively it is. Even welfare was not _really_ a Black
thing. So, the problem is that they control the mass subjective factor
so much, and tens of millions seem to be willing to lie to themselves
and accept the Big Reaganite lie that Welfare and any social spending
is giveaway to "lazy, over-fucking" Black people. The Tea Party is
still got this line<<

Just as with the 80s savings-and-loan segue to junk bonds meltdowns,
much of the imagery linked to the housing loans bubbles gets pinned on
black people. The whole class of 'sub-prime loans' was directed at
them--they couldn't get regular loans to buy houses in the suburbs. I
think the reality of the loan bubble is something totally different,
but it still goes to this great societal need for working class, poor
but also rising upper working class to have a secure place to live and
investments in their neighborhoods. Tea Party people hate latinos too.
Anyway their 'explanatory' version of the loan bubble is going to be:
a bunch of 'those people' got loans when they shouldn't have. The same
sort of things got said about S&Ls (which made loans to urban
neighborhoods) and junk bonds (which were used to finance government
and business in urban neighborhoods).

CJ

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