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I think if nationalization is the inevitable path that is coming for
the government-industry relationship, then better the auto companies
be allowed to go bankrupt first.
CJ
Comment
What is the rationale for bankruptcy as the prelude to nationalization,
rather than simply nationalize
Question: Is not the document below time specific or was it written eight
years ago? And is this not attorney Glotta of the National Lawyers Guide? I
have
a copy of his latest book: The Road To Hell Is Not Paid with Good
Intentions.
Waistline
In a message dated 12/12/2008 2:30:46 P.M.
Speaking of feet and then shoes.
The guy that threw his gym shoes - one at a time, at Bush W.
I been laughing my ass off for the past two days, every time I think about
it.
Waistline
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Massive Pension Fund Crisis in the US
By
Henry C.K. Liu
This article appeared in AToL on October 31, 2008 as: Balck Hole Gapes for
Pensions
More than three years before the current financial crisis, in a series
Greenspan, the Wizard of Bubbleland that began on September 14, 2005, I
_waistli...@aol.com_ (mailto:waistli...@aol.com) 12/15/2008 4:30 PM
Massive Pension Fund Crisis in the US
This article appeared in AToL on October 31, 2008 as: Black Hole Gapes
for Pensions
Greenspan, the Wizard of Bubbleland that began on September 14, 2005, I
warned:
Through
In a message dated 12/17/2008 9:22:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
charl...@cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us writes:
Vladimir Lenin’s
Left-Wing Communism: an Infantile Disorder
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/index.htm
After Losses, Pensions Ask for a Change
By Mary Williams Walsh - November 20, 2008 - New York Times, A1
Stung by outsize investment losses, some of the nation’s biggest companies
are pushing Congress to roll back rules requiring them to put more money
into
their pension funds, just two
_http://www.alternet.org/workplace/113981/_
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Pension Funds Collapse: The End of Retirement?
By Shamus Cooke, Information Clearing House. Posted December 19, 2008
Unless things change fast, human history will show that the phenomenon of
The Truth behind the Citigroup Bank Nationalization
by F William Engdahl
Global Research (November 24 2008)
On Friday November 21, the world came within a hair's breadth of the
most colossal financial collapse in history according to bankers on the
inside of events with whom we have
Obama, Wall Street and the US Automakers
Weakening the economy, leaving it even more debt-strapped.
by Michael Hudson
Global Research, December 7, 2008
There is a strange double standard in President-elect Obama's largess with
the public purse when it comes to Wall Street's banks and
Editorial:
The Revolutionary Role of the Human Mind
”I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they
knew they were slaves.”
- Harriet Tubman, abolitionist and a conductor on the underground railroad.
The historical truth of Harriet Tubman's words applies, not
Revolution in the Means of Production
In the context of the industrial revolution Karl Marx and Fredrich Engels
discovered that social revolution is defined by a series of stages whose
fundamental origins are technological revolution in the means ofproduction. As
the
technological
Reorganization of the American State
full: _http://www.lrna.org/2-pt/v18ed2art5.html_
(http://www.lrna.org/2-pt/v18ed2art5.html)
One, two and three-strike laws with long mandatory sentences, laws to try
children as adults, the advent of zero-tolerance laws, the rise of “
quality-of-life”
Populism in America
Editor’s note: Excerpted from the March 2005 report of The LRNA Steering
Committee.
America is heading toward a class confrontation. Every facet of society is
beginning to polarize. Underlying it all is the qualitative change in the
economy and the resulting
Editorial: The Key to Revolution
Humans learning to create fire by friction laid the foundations for an
entirely new world. No longer bound (or protected) by the natural laws of the
animal kingdom, mankind had to learn to think. The long painful bloody journey
from superstition to
In a message dated 12/25/2008 2:20:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jann...@gmail.com writes:
Second and most likely last follow up:
Starting with Hegel's dialectic, we could go very nicely to Feuerbach
and Bruner, and then on to Marx--but also Kierkegaard as well.
I've never approached
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O101-LiberationTheology.html
Liberation Theology
From: The Concise Oxford Dictionary of World Religions | Date: 1997 |
Author: JOHN BOWKER | © The Concise Oxford Dictionary of World Religions
1997,
originally published by Oxford University Press 1997.
Liberation Theology after the End of History: The Refusal to Cease Suffering
by Daniel M. Bell Jr.. 212 pgs.
Read the complete book Liberation Theology after the End of History: The
Refusal to Cease Suffering by becoming a questia.com member. Choose a
membership
plan to an academic-level
In a message dated 12/25/2008 6:03:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jann...@gmail.com writes:
The irony being, I should think you could reach more people by trying
to have philosophy debates and challenges of belief systems on an
e-mail discussion list than you can in any curent 'proletarian
In a message dated 12/25/2008 7:45:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jann...@gmail.com writes:
By communism movement I generally mean the spontaneous movement of humanity
toward cooperation that erupted with the overthrow of primitive communism. I
tend to alternate using words like the Marxist
In a message dated 12/25/2008 9:59:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jann...@gmail.com writes:
Really, WL, your gidiness is contagious. I too am hopeful now that
GMAC has become a bank and GM got a federal loan to keep
overproducing.
And I can't wait for those outdoor Demoncratic Corn Soup
(I did you see the movie and was totally disappointed. Now I know why.:-)
Les wrote: Keanu Reeves was the only good thing about the dreadful remake
of The Day the Earth Stood Still
I guess in the sense that there was no trace of human personality in the
performance, so if your aliens
Recession Sparks Huge Jump In Shoplifting
The vast majority of crime is ultimately economic in nature, despite the way
we are often portrayed in the media as natural-born criminals. As the
economy plunges or stagnates we will continue to see crime of this nature
increase. Robberies,
:
Best Answer - Chosen by Asker
The owl of Minerva, takes its flight only when the shades of night are
gathering.
— Hegel's Philosophy of Right, Preface
There are lots of different translation, such as, The owl of Minerva
only takes flight as the dusk begins to fall.
Hegel argues that it
In a message dated 12/27/2008 7:11:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
_ballist...@yahoo.com_ (mailto:ballist...@yahoo.com) writes:
You're repeating the same social democratic mistakes of the past! Since
the foundation of you party you've been an agent of social democratic
domination...That
States Cut Medicaid Coverage Further Region Is Among Areas Where Poor Are
Affected
By Amy Goldstein Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, December 26, 2008;
Page A01
States from Rhode Island to California are being forced to curtail Medicaid,
the government health insurance program for
In a message dated 12/28/2008 1:30:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jann...@gmail.com writes:
1. Support for Waistline's line (Charles Brown)
Examining data on changes in the US work force, the authors show that job
losses due to higher productivity -- often the result of improving
In a message dated 12/28/2008 5:19:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
_ballist...@yahoo.com_ (mailto:ballist...@yahoo.com) writes:
...the economic conditions created by productions relations allows the
proletariat to move forward united as one force...but the discussion and
mobilization have to
charl...@cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us writes:
^^^ CB: I didn't say it is a central feature. I said it seems to apply.
So, another aspect of Lenin's discussion is pertinent in 2008.
WL: Sorry, I apologize for not directly presenting the quote in question
separately.
You spoke of the central
The below explanation of derivatives and the process in which a sector of
finance capital becomes divorced from production is noting less than
brilliant.
Waistline
First of all, you have this book to sell. [He picks up a leather-bound
book.] This is worth something, because of all
(Man oh man. I fell in love with Freddie Hubbard's Red Clay back in 1970.
Its one of those cuts that stay with you a lifetime. That's to U Tube I am
playing right now.)
Waistline
_http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-hubbard30-2008dec30,0,3663196.st
ory_
(Man oh man. I fell in love with Freddie Hubbard's Red Clay back in 1970.
Its one of those cuts that stay with you a lifetime. Thanks to U Tube I am
playing right now.)
Don't you just hate capital? What happen's when our bourgeoisie decides to
band or charge for U Tube?
Waistline
Part 2
ABC's of capitalism and speculation
The U.S. state has a played an indispensable role in facilitating the
development and dominance of speculative capital through state policies and
practices that favor the financial sector over the industrial sector, and
through
dollar hegemony.
The U.S. domination of the world is declining as the various regional blocs
are developing. These blocs, some just in formation, some with longer ties are
collaborating to strengthen the protection of, or access to, other markets.
In 2003, China and other countries collaborated in what came
1). The fundamental law of motion that drives the development of capitalist
commodity production is the maximization of profit.
2). The source of value of all commodities created for exchange in the
market is the socially necessary labor-time of the workers.
3). Profit is realized from
GP entrails [In defense of Harrington and American Menshevism]
Louis: Could you clarify your comments vis a vis the SP? On what
income? Committed personnel? Since the refoundation of the SP (SP
USA), it has been committed to independent political action. As far
as personnel, we only have
Part 3
All of the so-called Marxists, Communists and Socialist groups in America
are sects. This is not in and of itself a bad thing. The size of a group has
nothing to do with it being a sect, after all the Catholic Church is a sect.
An
organization is a sect when its purpose is to win
GP entrails [In defense of Harrington and American Menshevism]
Part (2)
It's clear that the nation, the people of America, are entering into the
beginning stages of what we refer to as a social response to the economic
revolution. They are becoming politically aware of what is going on.
In a message dated 12/31/2008 11:04:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
charl...@cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us writes:
From above and from below is still the terminology today.
This, it would appear, is a full-fledged oligarchy. No important
political or organisational question is decided by any
.
Lenin's form of socialism is based on gathering their limited resources
in
a country of 150,000 peasants; with no nationwide industrial
infrastructure;
with no modern superstructure culturally trained in trade and distribution;
an overwhelming illiterate population, limited
In a message dated 12/31/2008 10:45:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
charl...@cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us writes:
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Comment
(Expanded, edited version)
Yes.
I worked in one for the better part of my life. There are
CB: So, when you say Rather, it will be left to other bodies, which we
cannot know in advance, to over see important question faced by state
institutions , you mean it cannot be known in advance , except we do know in
advance that it won't be like what Lenin described.
Well, sure it
well, I think that revolutionaries must try to develop the economic strug
gle of the proletariat to the historical place that it belongs: the
destruction of capital and its State.
Comment
As the young supporters and followers of Tupuc would say: I ain't man at
you.
Perhaps by
The structural link between capital and imperialism was actually written
about by the economist Mr. Henry CK Liu. This is not to say that Lenin should
not be read, but for those who used Lenin regularly as a guide, this long
article is enlightening. Henry is an accomplished economist and
The Coming Trade War
By
Henry C.K. Liu
The problem is that GM’s key product -- its gas-guzzling sport/utility
vehicles -- are seeing declining demand that has forced the company to step up
the
cash-back offers needed to maintain sales. That should not have been a
surprise, given
(Note: On and off for perhaps the last 8 years I have written about how
economic communism abolishes jobs. Upon hearing this some Comrades reply that a
society without jobs is inconceivable. The reason we are Marxist and the
benefit to studying Marx method is that it teaches us history as
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In a message dated 1/1/2009 12:16:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
waistli...@aol.com writes:
Happy New Year!
Resolution: to work to shorter articles.
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Yea. My children are healthy and in one
The B u l l e t
Socialist Project • E-Bulletin No. 172
December 31, 2008
Saving the Detroit Three,
Finishing Off the UAW:
Learning From the Auto Crisis
Sam Gindin
At the end of 1979, President Carter offered loan guarantees to
Chrysler to prevent the company's imminent bankruptcy.
What I means is that the other bodies do not have to be PARTY
ORGANIZATIONS, or other than party organizations, much less the Central
Committee of
THE PARTY. We do not need the state as state overseeing production or
organizing production as such and this is exactly what the state had
In a message dated 1/2/2009 12:08:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
charl...@cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us writes:
Lenin writes about important question faced by state institutions and the
role of the Central Committee. What we do know is that any organization of
production in America is going to
In a message dated 1/2/2009 5:25:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
charl...@cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us writes:
The thing is in defining a revolution ( as opposed to an evolution) is
to get a concept of qualitative change, of quantity turning into
qualitity, the dialectical leap. A dialectical
America's hot war with the people of Vietnam ended in 1975.
Does this mean that the Vietnam was era has finally come to a close?
WL
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The Birth of American financial imperialism: A Worker Primer .
The nature of money and the role of finance has been a controversial issue
since the founding of America.
“Jefferson prophesied: ‘If the American people allow the banks to control
the issuance of their currency, first by
Money, Power and Modern Art
PART II: A Monetary Coup d'etat
By Henry C K Liu
The rise of Rockefeller
In 1868, John D Rockefeller struck a major deal with a railroad,
guaranteeing a certain volume of shipments in exchange for rebates. The first
of many,
this deal was made with Jay
II
During the process of the Civil War, both sides needed guns, clothes, boots,
food and all kinds of products to conduct the war and this required
production facilities and expanding existing ones. This expansion required
financing.
Wall Street banks and financiers provided the
American capitalism is such that a speculative stock market dominates
the policies of businesses.
by Lawrence E Mitchell
AlterNet (December 22 2008)
Editor's Note: The following is an edited excerpt from The Speculation
Economy: How Finance Triumphed Over Industry (2007), Lawrence
In a message dated 1/2/2009 10:15:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jann...@gmail.com writes:
To summarise the discussion so far, as I understand it:
Hudson hasn't had an original idea since the first Nixon
administration era, and like most of the people on A-List, full of
shit.Lenin is dead,
New Conditions Call for New Tactics
by Nelson Peery
full: _http://www.lrna.org/2-pt/v16ed3art1.html_
(http://www.lrna.org/2-pt/v16ed3art1.html)
Old Tactics Hold Back Process
For change to occur, there first has to be a change in the objective - the
economy. That change came in the
CORRECTION
The form of the state as an organization of violence and class rule is in
the category of
history and subject to a different set of laws: laws that describe and
define
classes and property relations, that will persists in the hearts and minds
of
people.
Should
Nestor Gorojovsky wrote:
Considering the situation, as long as necessary may well mean
forever. Hope I am wrong.
I fear you are correct. It seems to me that Israel is aiming at the
cultural and political genocide of the Palestinian people as a people
and the complete incorporation of West
I. Capitalism is not the meaning of industrial process. The industrial
system is founded on machinery driven by mechanical motion. Each expansion of
the
quantitative boundary of the electro-mechanical process further
revolutionized the productive forces on the basis of mechanical motion
II. The semi-conductor is to industrial society, what the spinning machine
and steam engine was to manufacture.
The semi-conductor and associated technology, expresses a leap is in
progress, (understanding leap to mean a transition), from an industrial society
founded on mechanical
V. Speculation
But the middle ages had handed down two distinct forms of capital, which
mature in the most different economic social formations, and which before the
era of the capitalist mode of production, are considered as capital quand même —
[all the same] usurer’s capital and
In a message dated 1/6/2009 12:00:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jann...@gmail.com writes:
9. Super Capitalism, Super Imperialism and Monetary Imperialism
(Charles Brown)
CB: Most of Lenin's concepts from 1916 don't need updating. Monopoly,
financial oligarchy cartels. financial
In a message dated 1/6/2009 2:21:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jann...@gmail.com writes:
An industrial capital formation as a historically distinct sector of
capital
no longer exist. I am not aware of one single economist of note that speaks
of an industrial sector of capital. Not one.
Comrade Case puts forth several points as immediate and partial solution to
the 2008 crisis. These points begin with:
1). Economic infrastructures, including much of the financial system must
be further socialized. This is necessary to begin the large institutional
restructuring process
Seems to me you do in fact get the distinction between productive capital
and speculative capital. A good Ponzi scheme is not back until it collapses.
Profits to be made from that side of the business constituting productive
capital has never been bad business.
On the other hand this
In a message dated 1/7/2009 12:28:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jann...@gmail.com writes:
I'm not sure I'm following your arguments. One, who here has said that
nothing has changed since Lenin?
WL: CB . . . repeatedly and directly . . . in his line of arguing the
existence of industrial
In a message dated 1/7/2009 2:30:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
farmela...@juno.com writes:
Forwarded from Mehmet Cagatay.
\
Reply
Thank you very much for this contribution.
You are quite correct in me taking categories of capital in their literal
sense. This literal interpretation is
Revolution and the Role of New Ideas
The history of revolution shows that fundamental change in society does not
occur without the introduction of new ideas. What we have in our favor today,
over any other historical period, is that the conditions are favorable for
abolishing private
The Practical Movement for Communism
By Sandra Reid
From the beginning of class society centuries ago, humanity has been
yearning and striving for a just and better world.
In primitive societies, people could only survive through cooperation. The
land and tools were owned in common.
(I read the article below and it sent a chill down my spine. CJ stated Obama
would not last six months. If overhauling Social Security means anything
other than expanding its programs or taking unemployment and medical out and
establishing independent expanded agencies, with expanded
The Obama Campaign - in the course of a year and a half, did what we
collectively could not do, although everyone contributed on one level or
another:
destroyed identity politics as a social form. This does not means identity
politics has disappeared and no longer exist. Identity politics
The main opposition to the emancipation of the slaves was from the working
class. Emancipation could have come about fairly easily, but the workers didn't
want it. They felt that four million blacks were going to be dumped on the
labor market and they would lose their jobs, or at least it
Necessity as the outcome of a law system, means examining those things
peculiar to the system one is examining. And the basis upon which the system
becomes self perpetuating. The progressive accumulation of productive forces
operates as law of consequence - necessity, or the law of
Will the Obama stimulus plan simply concentrate on Middle America and
create jobs for them while ignoring the roughly 40% of the working class that
constitutes the poorest workers? I am not against middle America, but they are
not the only suffering section of America. The expansion of the
The word communism scared me at first, but not for a very long time. What
attracted me to the communists and Marxists, a distinction I would learn of
much
later, was the real people behind the label. The continuing attraction is
that Marxist makes more sense than others in grappling with
FINANCIAL TIMES Workers gain as Havana rethinks its ideological focus
By Marc Frank
Published: January 9 2009 02:00 | Last updated: January 9 2009 02:00
Cuba is putting less emphasis on social spending and more on rewarding
individual workers and cutting gratuities as it moves away from
Cuba is a poor country. America is not.
Modern communism - economic communism, does not seek to make members of our
society the same, but rather establishes an economic bottom by which no
individual can fall, due to actions outside the control of the individual.
Wages
in all probability
This critique of imperialism from the standpoint of core-periphery and its
conclusions, may have had a certain validity when it was written - 1999. What
appears to be crystallizing on a world scale is regional economic and
political blocks.
It is true that in the immediate post WW II
1). Structured finance allows general risk in all debts to be unbundled into
tranches in a hierarchy of credit rating,
2). allowing even the most conservative to participate in the debt bubble by
holding the supposing safe low-risk tranches.
3). But the safety of these low-risk tranches
Saving the Chinese Economy from the Global Financial Crisis
The structural problem of the Chinese economy can be described in one
sentence: China produces from plants financed by foreign investment that
operate
with low domestic wages for foreign markets that pay with dollars that cannot
I voted the CPUSA ticket, led by Gus Hall back in 1976, along with the SWP
candidate for governor of the state of Michigan in 76 or 78. The party I was
a
member of - Communist Labor Party, tended to not instruct members of who
they
should or should not vote for, if they were not running
US's Negative Net Worth at $59.3 Trillion
by Paul Craig Roberts
CounterPunch (January 12 2009)
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, nonfarm payroll employment
declined by 3,445,000 from December 2007 through December 2008.
The collapse in employment is across the board.
25 years ago during the Motown 25 celebration, Michael Jackson moon walked
into history. Motown 50 seems to be passing without much fanfare. What a sad
day.
Where Did Our Love Go?: The Rise and Fall of the Motown Sound by Nelson
George remains the best overall book on the origins of the
Detroit should be a music Mecca, and Martha Reeves efforts towards this end
is simply wonderful. Music and the arts should be the biggest industry in
Detroit. To hell with the auto industry. That day in the sun is long passed.
Detroit was once a wonderful Jazz center, rooted in the old Black
Got me thinking about the new movie about Chess Records. I didn't like the
casting; the music or the characterization of Chess. Beyonce's good looks was
not enough to carry the movie. Her portrayal of Etta James border on the
criminal. She did not understood the mood of that period of
OK . . . something got to be done for Lionel Richie. Easy is tearing me up.
Then we have to have statues of the Commodores.
Why in the world would anybody
put chains on me.
Everything Commodores and Lionel is alright.
Yall think Detroit is big enough to hold all the music?
If we
1). The working class is tied to the capitalist class because they are
employed by them. Individuals rise and fall in and out of employment. Some are
able improve their wages and standard of living. The tend is an increasing
mass
of underemployed, low wage labor and unemployment.
The
The period of the 60's involved huge intersecting layers of interest between
the bourgeoisie and the working class via the Negro Peoples struggle. This
struggle did reform the system. Today there are no reforms left in the capital
relations. Meaning we are more than less on our own; without
Every so often in a field or endeavor, someone comes along and
revolutionizes standards or reshape the rules of the game. Such people are
considered
innovators and revolutionary. Then you have a chance element that defies
convention and requires new language be created to encapsulate new
3). National health care is the perfect example of a winnable concession
because of the identity of interest between workers, capitalist and
unemployed,
and everyone else.
Yeah, right, it's just around the corner, like the withdrawal from Iraq is.
CJ
Iraq is different from the issue of
Why does our working class behaves the way it does?
What is the prospect for political revolution?
What does revolution in the mode of production means for us in real time.?
Why is it possible to win some concessions something, but nothing at other
times?
What is the meaning of reform?
Why
I agree that debate on the meaning of dialectics generally gets pretty
silly. Lord know I have engage such debate more times than I care to remember.
The problem is that everyone brings skin to the game. The individual brings
their individual understanding and those impacted by a sectarian
Marxism still shares a commonality with theology. Claiming Marx method and
approach, requires propositions to be explained on the basis of the Hegelian
form. The tendency is to claim principles - Marx method, rather than a
convincing argument. For instance the negation of the negation - as a
Indeed, the way that Marxism-Leninism was institutionalized and taught,
it was turned into this sort of vacuous metaphysical position that can be
arbitrarily mapped onto any given phenomenon. This, however, was not Marx's
practice. And Engels, while writing some confused passages on the
It would be more accurate, in view of what is being criticized, to say
that marxism-Leninism bears a commonality with theology, though there too it
would be more accurate to substitute metaphysics for theology.
^^^ CB: This is a tired claim that I have refuted with argument often.
Obama’s inauguration has generated and revealed profound emotions of mass
support for his presidency unlike anything I have ever experience. I actually
feel good about him being sworn into office tomorrow. Obama as president is the
damnest thing to happen in my life, and none of the power of
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