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osiris wrote: Replying to Mary411: Replying to i_speak_truth: Yes, it's very true that sacrifices have been made by labor. Again by LABOR, to keep the UAW heads in their personal gravy train. That's the part that makes me sick. IMO, a ...............on vacation but he will go on vacation by himself. The UAW heads have gotten very greedy and they sacrifice the workers to keep themselves lined with more money and perks. This is the internal problems that Bob King needs to address. But I know he won't. The UAW is dirty but they are foremost dirty inside. If you clean the inside won't the outside shine as well? Won't ever happen. Bob is working it from the wrong angle. He's just as greedy as those before him. It's all about him and the kissers that kiss his behind. Just wondering are you a UAW member? If he isn't, I am.......and I find absolutely no problem with what he wrote. Add in how international officers seem to get their kith and kin into cush jobs....... 8/2/2010 11:55:53 AM Replying to Mary411:<blockquote>Replying to i_speak_truth:<blockquote>Yes, it's very true that sacrifices have been made by labor. Again by LABOR, to keep the UAW heads in their personal gravy train. That's the part that makes me sick. IMO, a ...............on vacation but he will go on vacation by himself. The UAW heads have gotten very greedy and they sacrifice the workers to keep themselves lined with more money and perks. This is the internal problems that Bob King needs to address. But I know he won't. The UAW is dirty but they are foremost dirty inside. If you clean the inside won't the outside shine as well? Won't ever happen. Bob is working it from the wrong angle. He's just as greedy as those before him. It's all about him and the kissers that kiss his behind.</blockquote><br /><br />Just wondering are you a UAW member?</blockquote><br /><br />If he isn't, I am.......and I find absolutely no problem with what he wrote. Add in how international officers seem to get their kith and kin into cush jobs....... osiris Recommend(1)New Post Reply to this Post Report Abuse Atilathehun wrote: You'd not like to live in a world where everything was controlled by the companies. Re-visit history and you'll see that was the norm once. Decide for yourself if that's the level of consideration for the worker, environment, and society in general that you would want to return. If you think it would be different today you're a wide-eyed optimist. Unions are a necessary check and balance to the abuses that unrestrained business would bring. 8/2/2010 11:53:03 AM You'd not like to live in a world where everything was controlled by the companies. Re-visit history and you'll see that was the norm once. Decide for yourself if that's the level of consideration for the worker, environment, and society in general that you would want to return. If you think it would be different today you're a wide-eyed optimist. Unions are a necessary check and balance to the abuses that unrestrained business would bring. Atilathehun RecommendNew Post Reply to this Post Report Abuse osiris wrote: Replying to WolfReyet104: />And you would know that they often don't follow orders and build and pass junk along with their "It's not my job" attitude. Right. Being threatened with firing for stopping the line in order to address quality issues. Being told to ship the part, that it will be caught in the next operation, "we'll fix it in the recall". The employee "temporarily reassigned" to the worst job in the department because they made an issue of a problem and shut down the line. Production supervision have but 1 objective....make their quota. Management doesn't care about the problem, and will hang anyone responsible for dropping an asembly plant over anything so minor as a "quality issue". For production supervision there is but 1 issue....if you want to keep your job, make the numbers. Maybe you should try talking to someone on the inside before repeating the same muckraking garbage about the hourly employees. 8/2/2010 11:52:18 AM Replying to WolfReyet104:<blockquote>/>And you would know that they often don't follow orders and build and pass junk along with their "It's not my job" attitude.</blockquote><br /><br />Right. Being threatened with firing for stopping the line in order to address quality issues.<br />Being told to ship the part, that it will be caught in the next operation, "we'll fix it in the recall". <br /><br />The employee "temporarily reassigned" to the worst job in the department because they made an issue of a problem and shut down the line. Production supervision have but 1 objective....make their quota. Management doesn't care about the problem, and will hang anyone responsible for dropping an asembly plant over anything so minor as a "quality issue". For production supervision there is but 1 issue....if you want to keep your job, make the numbers.<br /><br />Maybe you should try talking to someone on the inside before repeating the same muckraking garbage about the hourly employees. osiris Recommend(1)New Post Reply to this Post Report Abuse KG_One wrote: "The UAW supports the Employee Free Choice Act, which is proposed legislation that would make it easier for workers to form unions. But the legislation has faced strong opposition in Congress." If EFCA makes it easier to join a union, how easy would it be for those same people to LEAVE that union when they are not being represented? If it's all about the workers, it should work both ways. 8/2/2010 11:51:36 AM "The UAW supports the Employee Free Choice Act, which is proposed legislation that would make it easier for workers to form unions. But the legislation has faced strong opposition in Congress."<br /><br />If EFCA makes it easier to join a union, how easy would it be for those same people to LEAVE that union when they are not being represented?<br /><br />If it's all about the workers, it should work both ways. KG_One Recommend(2)New Post Reply to this Post Report Abuse Mary411 wrote: Replying to i_speak_truth: Yes, it's very true that sacrifices have been made by labor. Again by LABOR, to keep the UAW heads in their personal gravy train. That's the part that makes me sick. IMO, a leader should never ask the lowest paid labor to accept anything that he won't accept first. There is a great divide between the UAW heads and the UAW labor. This is not UNITED. It's DIVIDED. It's equal to a man who says his family can't go on vacation but he will go on vacation by himself. The UAW heads have gotten very greedy and they sacrifice the workers to keep themselves lined with more money and perks. This is the internal problems that Bob King needs to address. But I know he won't. The UAW is dirty but they are foremost dirty inside. If you clean the inside won't the outside shine as well? Won't ever happen. Bob is working it from the wrong angle. He's just as greedy as those before him. It's all about him and the kissers that kiss his behind. Just wondering are you a UAW member? 8/2/2010 11:50:58 AM Replying to i_speak_truth:<blockquote>Yes, it's very true that sacrifices have been made by labor. Again by LABOR, to keep the UAW heads in their personal gravy train. That's the part that makes me sick. IMO, a leader should never ask the lowest paid labor to accept anything that he won't accept first. There is a great divide between the UAW heads and the UAW labor. This is not UNITED. It's DIVIDED. It's equal to a man who says his family can't go on vacation but he will go on vacation by himself. The UAW heads have gotten very greedy and they sacrifice the workers to keep themselves lined with more money and perks. This is the internal problems that Bob King needs to address. But I know he won't. The UAW is dirty but they are foremost dirty inside. If you clean the inside won't the outside shine as well? Won't ever happen. Bob is working it from the wrong angle. He's just as greedy as those before him. It's all about him and the kissers that kiss his behind.</blockquote><br /><br />Just wondering are you a UAW member? Mary411 Recommend(1)New Post Reply to this Post Report Abuse 48091 wrote: Replying to i_speak_truth: Yes, it's very true that sacrifices have been made by labor. Again by LABOR, to keep the UAW heads in their personal gravy train. That's the part that makes me sick. IMO, a leader should never ask the lowest paid labor to accept anything that he won't accept first. There is a great divide between the UAW heads and the UAW labor. This is not UNITED. It's DIVIDED. It's equal to a man who says his family can't go on vacation but he will go on vacation by himself. The UAW heads have gotten very greedy and they sacrifice the workers to keep themselves lined with more money and perks. This is the internal problems that Bob King needs to address. But I know he won't. The UAW is dirty but they are foremost dirty inside. If you clean the inside won't the outside shine as well? Won't ever happen. Bob is working it from the wrong angle. He's just as greedy as those before him. It's all about him and the kissers that kiss his behind. LOL, they run the union like a union would! 8/2/2010 11:49:56 AM Replying to i_speak_truth:<blockquote>Yes, it's very true that sacrifices have been made by labor. Again by LABOR, to keep the UAW heads in their personal gravy train. That's the part that makes me sick. IMO, a leader should never ask the lowest paid labor to accept anything that he won't accept first. There is a great divide between the UAW heads and the UAW labor. This is not UNITED. It's DIVIDED. It's equal to a man who says his family can't go on vacation but he will go on vacation by himself. The UAW heads have gotten very greedy and they sacrifice the workers to keep themselves lined with more money and perks. This is the internal problems that Bob King needs to address. But I know he won't. The UAW is dirty but they are foremost dirty inside. If you clean the inside won't the outside shine as well? Won't ever happen. Bob is working it from the wrong angle. He's just as greedy as those before him. It's all about him and the kissers that kiss his behind.</blockquote><br /><br />LOL, they run the union like a union would! 48091 RecommendNew Post Reply to this Post Report Abuse i_speak_truth wrote: Yes, it's very true that sacrifices have been made by labor. Again by LABOR, to keep the UAW heads in their personal gravy train. That's the part that makes me sick. IMO, a leader should never ask the lowest paid labor to accept anything that he won't accept first. There is a great divide between the UAW heads and the UAW labor. This is not UNITED. It's DIVIDED. It's equal to a man who says his family can't go on vacation but he will go on vacation by himself. The UAW heads have gotten very greedy and they sacrifice the workers to keep themselves lined with more money and perks. This is the internal problems that Bob King needs to address. But I know he won't. The UAW is dirty but they are foremost dirty inside. If you clean the inside won't the outside shine as well? Won't ever happen. Bob is working it from the wrong angle. He's just as greedy as those before him. It's all about him and the kissers that kiss his behind. 8/2/2010 11:47:14 AM Yes, it's very true that sacrifices have been made by labor. Again by LABOR, to keep the UAW heads in their personal gravy train. That's the part that makes me sick. IMO, a leader should never ask the lowest paid labor to accept anything that he won't accept first. There is a great divide between the UAW heads and the UAW labor. This is not UNITED. It's DIVIDED. It's equal to a man who says his family can't go on vacation but he will go on vacation by himself. The UAW heads have gotten very greedy and they sacrifice the workers to keep themselves lined with more money and perks. This is the internal problems that Bob King needs to address. But I know he won't. The UAW is dirty but they are foremost dirty inside. If you clean the inside won't the outside shine as well? Won't ever happen. Bob is working it from the wrong angle. He's just as greedy as those before him. It's all about him and the kissers that kiss his behind. i_speak_truth Recommend(6)New Post Reply to this Post Report Abuse archivefolder wrote: Replying to WolfReyet104: Replying to couderay1: You're pretty stupid if you don't think the new, politically energized UAW under Mr. King, will have a long and detailed memory of it's adversaries. To the enemies of organized labor, the message is wake up, respect us, the controlling political power in the WH and Congress and what we can do when our revitalized community of labor is re-organized. Those who doubt the new power do so at their own risk. and just where have the union leadership been for the last 40 years as the membership, much of it lost through their own greed, dwindled to nothing? More GM cars sold in China last year than in the US. How long do you think it will be before those jobs go to China? Perhaps all your points are part of the grand "innovation" the union has brought to companies? 8/2/2010 11:45:24 AM Replying to WolfReyet104:<blockquote>Replying to couderay1:<blockquote>You're pretty stupid if you don't think the new, politically energized UAW under Mr. King, will have a long and detailed memory of it's adversaries. To the enemies of organized labor, the message is wake up, respect us, the controlling political power in the WH and Congress and what we can do when our revitalized community of labor is re-organized. Those who doubt the new power do so at their own risk.</blockquote><br />and just where have the union leadership been for the last 40 years as the membership, much of it lost through their own greed, dwindled to nothing? More GM cars sold in China last year than in the US. How long do you think it will be before those jobs go to China?</blockquote><br /><br />Perhaps all your points are part of the grand "innovation" the union has brought to companies? archivefolder Recommend(2)New Post Reply to this Post Report Abuse EbonyTatas wrote: Replying to couderay1: You're pretty stupid if you don't think the new, politically energized UAW under Mr. King, will have a long and detailed memory of it's adversaries. To the enemies of organized labor, the message is wake up, respect us, the controlling political power in the WH and Congress and what we can do when our revitalized community of labor is re-organized. Those who doubt the new power do so at their own risk. You uneducated drunks have no leverage in this case whatsoever. You can either work for the wages and benefits offered, or you can watch your jobs get outsourced abroad. There's nothing you can say or do to FORCE people to pay your overinflated salaries. You would think that the current economic situation in Michigan would be enough for you morons to wake up and realize that no company in the world wants to deal with you. 8/2/2010 11:44:12 AM Replying to couderay1:<blockquote>You're pretty stupid if you don't think the new, politically energized UAW under Mr. King, will have a long and detailed memory of it's adversaries. To the enemies of organized labor, the message is wake up, respect us, the controlling political power in the WH and Congress and what we can do when our revitalized community of labor is re-organized. Those who doubt the new power do so at their own risk.</blockquote><br /><br />You uneducated drunks have no leverage in this case whatsoever. You can either work for the wages and benefits offered, or you can watch your jobs get outsourced abroad. There's nothing you can say or do to FORCE people to pay your overinflated salaries. You would think that the current economic situation in Michigan would be enough for you morons to wake up and realize that no company in the world wants to deal with you. EbonyTatas Recommend(5)New Post Reply to this Post Report Abuse Mary411 wrote: Replying to archivefolder: Replying to Mary411: The truth be told they should have sold their Bonds and Stock when the signs pointed towards BK. A curious "truth" about selling stock/bonds of GM when GM's own CEO promised the public, the government, employees, stock/bond holders, etc that "Bankruptcy is not an option". Yeah well sometimes you and sometimes you lose ... 8/2/2010 11:44:00 AM Replying to archivefolder:<blockquote>Replying to Mary411:<blockquote>The truth be told they should have sold their Bonds and Stock when the signs pointed towards BK. </blockquote><br /><br />A curious "truth" about selling stock/bonds of GM when GM's own CEO promised the public, the government, employees, stock/bond holders, etc that "Bankruptcy is not an option".<br /></blockquote><br /><br />Yeah well sometimes you and sometimes you lose ... <br /> Mary411 RecommendNew Post Reply to this Post Report Abuse archivefolder wrote: Replying to chief1969: archive--The reason that UAW members don't strike over quality issues is that there are only certain issues that they can legally take action on. There are only certain issues that could even be written up as grievances, and management has a lot more latitude in dealing with the union than you might believe. That's why the strikeable issues always mention wages, even though there might be a lot of other issues not mentioned lurking in the background. For current contracts, I believe you are correct regarding "strikeable" issues. However, contracts are re-nogotiated every four years, and some contracts are re-opened sooner. If the union really was as focused on quality as you claim, the union can make it part of negotiations to ensure the proper languaue is there to stike over quality issues as well, and make it a part of the union/company legally binding contract. 8/2/2010 11:43:43 AM Replying to chief1969:<blockquote>archive--The reason that UAW members don't strike over quality issues is that there are only certain issues that they can legally take action on. There are only certain issues that could even be written up as grievances, and management has a lot more latitude in dealing with the union than you might believe. That's why the strikeable issues always mention wages, even though there might be a lot of other issues not mentioned lurking in the background.</blockquote><br /><br />For current contracts, I believe you are correct regarding "strikeable" issues. However, contracts are re-nogotiated every four years, and some contracts are re-opened sooner. If the union really was as focused on quality as you claim, the union can make it part of negotiations to ensure the proper languaue is there to stike over quality issues as well, and make it a part of the union/company legally binding contract.<br /> archivefolder Recommend(2)New Post Reply to this Post Report Abuse WolfReyet104 wrote: Replying to chief1969: archive--The reason that UAW members don't strike over quality issues is that there are only certain issues that they can legally take action on. There are only certain issues that could even be written up as grievances, and management has a lot more latitude in dealing with the union than you might believe. That's why the strikeable issues always mention wages, even though there might be a lot of other issues not mentioned lurking in the background. I can tell you have never worked in the industry. Your oversimplification of the quality issue leads me to believe that you despise the unions to a degree that won't allow you to understand that the average production worker, union or not, only has so much leeway in improving quality They have to follow orders. you'd also know that the workers are prohibited from striking until 2015. And you would know that they often don't follow orders and build and pass junk along with their "It's not my job" attitude. 8/2/2010 11:41:33 AM Replying to chief1969:<blockquote>archive--The reason that UAW members don't strike over quality issues is that there are only certain issues that they can legally take action on. There are only certain issues that could even be written up as grievances, and management has a lot more latitude in dealing with the union than you might believe. That's why the strikeable issues always mention wages, even though there might be a lot of other issues not mentioned lurking in the background. I can tell you have never worked in the industry. Your oversimplification of the quality issue leads me to believe that you despise the unions to a degree that won't allow you to understand that the average production worker, union or not, only has so much leeway in improving quality They have to follow orders. you'd also know that the workers are prohibited from striking until 2015.</blockquote><br />And you would know that they often don't follow orders and build and pass junk along with their "It's not my job" attitude. WolfReyet104 Recommend(1)New Post Reply to this Post Report Abuse deuceman wrote: All I can say, Mr. King gave his first speech that the union worker pay is a right like healthcare and retirement. We have no rights under the Constitution except a right to life (meaning it couldn't be taken away by the government) liberty (nobody can tell you what to do)and the pursuit of happiness (not a guarantee it meant you couldn't be forced to do anything except for when you impede on others liberty). This guy will put Michigan back behind every other state in the country if he and his union thugs have their way. U.A.W. in the offices of companies that still have them (which is not that many anymore) means unable to work!!!!! 8/2/2010 11:41:31 AM All I can say, Mr. King gave his first speech that the union worker pay is a right like healthcare and retirement. We have no rights under the Constitution except a right to life (meaning it couldn't be taken away by the government) liberty (nobody can tell you what to do)and the pursuit of happiness (not a guarantee it meant you couldn't be forced to do anything except for when you impede on others liberty). This guy will put Michigan back behind every other state in the country if he and his union thugs have their way. U.A.W. in the offices of companies that still have them (which is not that many anymore) means unable to work!!!!! deuceman Recommend(2)New Post Reply to this Post Report Abuse WolfReyet104 wrote: Replying to couderay1: You're pretty stupid if you don't think the new, politically energized UAW under Mr. King, will have a long and detailed memory of it's adversaries. To the enemies of organized labor, the message is wake up, respect us, the controlling political power in the WH and Congress and what we can do when our revitalized community of labor is re-organized. Those who doubt the new power do so at their own risk. and just where have the union leadership been for the last 40 years as the membership, much of it lost through their own greed, dwindled to nothing? More GM cars sold in China last year than in the US. How long do you think it will be before those jobs go to China? 8/2/2010 11:39:41 AM Replying to couderay1:<blockquote>You're pretty stupid if you don't think the new, politically energized UAW under Mr. King, will have a long and detailed memory of it's adversaries. To the enemies of organized labor, the message is wake up, respect us, the controlling political power in the WH and Congress and what we can do when our revitalized community of labor is re-organized. Those who doubt the new power do so at their own risk.</blockquote><br />and just where have the union leadership been for the last 40 years as the membership, much of it lost through their own greed, dwindled to nothing? More GM cars sold in China last year than in the US. How long do you think it will be before those jobs go to China? WolfReyet104 Recommend(1)New Post Reply to this Post Report Abuse chief1969 wrote: archive--The reason that UAW members don't strike over quality issues is that there are only certain issues that they can legally take action on. There are only certain issues that could even be written up as grievances, and management has a lot more latitude in dealing with the union than you might believe. That's why the strikeable issues always mention wages, even though there might be a lot of other issues not mentioned lurking in the background. You may not believe what I am saying, but there are only certain issues we can, again, legally strike over. I can tell you have never worked in the industry. Your oversimplification of the quality issue leads me to believe that you despise the unions to a degree that won't allow you to understand that the average production worker, union or not, only has so much leeway in improving quality They have to follow orders. If you knew the present UAW contract, you'd also know that the workers are prohibited from striking until 2015. 8/2/2010 11:37:40 AM archive--The reason that UAW members don't strike over quality issues is that there are only certain issues that they can legally take action on. There are only certain issues that could even be written up as grievances, and management has a lot more latitude in dealing with the union than you might believe. That's why the strikeable issues always mention wages, even though there might be a lot of other issues not mentioned lurking in the background. You may not believe what I am saying, but there are only certain issues we can, again, legally strike over. I can tell you have never worked in the industry. Your oversimplification of the quality issue leads me to believe that you despise the unions to a degree that won't allow you to understand that the average production worker, union or not, only has so much leeway in improving quality They have to follow orders. If you knew the present UAW contract, you'd also know that the workers are prohibited from striking until 2015. chief1969 RecommendNew Post Reply to this Post Report Abuse WolfReyet104 wrote: Stronger Union being born??!!! What do you expect him to say. The union's inept greedy leadership has had the UAW and all unions on the decline for decades. They can't save jobs and they can't guaranteed security or benefits. OSHA protects worker safety. "United" means nothing to the leadership. They have been more than willing to sacrifice supplier jobs to try to keep the automakers and their gravy train going. If the membership only knew what really went on in negotiations and how they are sold out time after time they wouldn't pay another dime of dues. 8/2/2010 11:36:50 AM Stronger Union being born??!!! What do you expect him to say. The union's inept greedy leadership has had the UAW and all unions on the decline for decades. They can't save jobs and they can't guaranteed security or benefits. OSHA protects worker safety. "United" means nothing to the leadership. They have been more than willing to sacrifice supplier jobs to try to keep the automakers and their gravy train going. If the membership only knew what really went on in negotiations and how they are sold out time after time they wouldn't pay another dime of dues. WolfReyet104 Recommend(2)New Post Reply to this Post Report Abuse wsu55 wrote: Replying to couderay1: You're pretty stupid if you don't think the new, politically energized UAW under Mr. King, will have a long and detailed memory of it's adversaries. To the enemies of organized labor, the message is wake up, respect us, the controlling political power in the WH and Congress and what we can do when our revitalized community of labor is re-organized. Those who doubt the new power do so at their own risk. That's the spirit - Go get em' TIGER !! 8/2/2010 11:35:52 AM Replying to couderay1:<blockquote>You're pretty stupid if you don't think the new, politically energized UAW under Mr. King, will have a long and detailed memory of it's adversaries. To the enemies of organized labor, the message is wake up, respect us, the controlling political power in the WH and Congress and what we can do when our revitalized community of labor is re-organized. Those who doubt the new power do so at their own risk.</blockquote><br /><br />That's the spirit - Go get em' TIGER !! wsu55 Recommend(3)New Post Reply to this Post Report Abuse boekenhoutskloof wrote: Replying to couderay1: You're pretty stupid if you don't think the new, politically energized UAW under Mr. King, will have a long and detailed memory of it's adversaries. To the enemies of organized labor, the message is wake up, respect us, the controlling political power in the WH and Congress and what we can do when our revitalized community of labor is re-organized. Those who doubt the new power do so at their own risk. Respect is not a one-way street. 8/2/2010 11:35:25 AM Replying to couderay1:<blockquote>You're pretty stupid if you don't think the new, politically energized UAW under Mr. King, will have a long and detailed memory of it's adversaries. To the enemies of organized labor, the message is wake up, respect us, the controlling political power in the WH and Congress and what we can do when our revitalized community of labor is re-organized. Those who doubt the new power do so at their own risk.</blockquote><br />Respect is not a one-way street. boekenhoutskloof Recommend(6)New Post Reply to this Post Report Abuse _______________________________________________ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
