Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Evidence please. Productive . Industrial capital U have the

2009-01-07 Thread CeJ
WLSeems to me you do in fact get the distinction between productive capital and speculative capital. A good Ponzi scheme is not back until it collapses. Profits to be made from that side of the business constituting productive capital has never been bad business. I never said I didn't get such a

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Evidence please. Productive . Industrial capital U have...

2009-01-07 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/7/2009 12:28:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jann...@gmail.com writes: I'm not sure I'm following your arguments. One, who here has said that nothing has changed since Lenin? WL: CB . . . repeatedly and directly . . . in his line of arguing the existence of industrial

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Evidence please. Productive . Industrial capital U have the

2009-01-07 Thread CeJ
I guess one question here is why Ford, Chrysler and GM didn't re-invest profits into accumulating their industrial capital. One, if the goal was to reach a certain level of production to stay competitive in the world (what is the benchmark now, 2 million vehicles per year?), the most obvious

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Evidence please. Productive . Industrial capital U have the

2009-01-07 Thread CeJ
If only this guy would read Marx. No wait, that would just make him another HCKL or something similar to that. BTW, I noticed one of the more famous private equity groups, Carlyle Group, is trying to put together big deals in overseas universities. I guess they think 'American-quality' higher

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Evidence please. Productive . Industrial capital U have...

2009-01-07 Thread Mehmet Cagatay
Hello, I found this list via Jim Farmelant's post on Marxmail. After reading Waistline's arguments about the macro economic composition of capital and his brave challenge that provokes us to provide evidence to the existence of the SECTOR called industrial capital, eventually I decided to

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Evidence please. Productive . Industrial capital U have the

2009-01-07 Thread CeJ
And as the past 8 years (and before as well) have shown, MILITARISM really hasn't left the 'equation' and in fact has grown even more immense in its hold on the US. Of course we Marxists already knew this, but here is the analysis showing up in American academia (albeit from someone who is not

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Evidence please. Productive . Industrial capital U have the

2009-01-06 Thread CeJ
The ideas that nothing has changed since Lenin is just intellectual laziness and a refusal to admit that things change at best and dogmatism at worse. GMAC not GM is the master of GM. GMAC is GM. . Dude, its all finance capital. I'm not sure I'm following your arguments. One, who here has said

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Evidence please. Productive . Industrial capital U have...

2009-01-06 Thread Waistline2
Seems to me you do in fact get the distinction between productive capital and speculative capital. A good Ponzi scheme is not back until it collapses. Profits to be made from that side of the business constituting productive capital has never been bad business. On the other hand this