M-TH: Fancy and the Ideal Charles Brown CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us Thu Sep 10 14:52:48 MDT 1998
Previous message: M-TH: Forwarding Next message: M-TH: "Labor in white skin shall not be free while Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Russ writes >Of course, I agree that >"fancy" is a romantic term, >but "romantic" seems >eminently imaginary >to me, so it's good for >the binary contrast (as >only a starting point for >a dialectic !) here. > >Oh yea, my aphorism now is >Being determines consciousnes, but >being determines consciousness discontinuously. >Continuously, being and consciousness are >more reciprocally determining. That is, in the mean >time, in between time (between the revolutions >when being determines consciousness suddenly, >rarely like the roof falling in asserts the law >of gravity) ain't we got fun (fancy). But ther Ideal is not imaginary- trying to find the ref to the book with Illenkov's essay 'The Concept of the Ideal' Anyone help- any Pilling fans out there? Dave B James H? And how about this one? "Ideology is false, partial consciousness to the extent that it does not locate its object within the concrete totality... Ideology, however is more than false consciousness. It is not a mere subjective fantasy but a 'conscious' expression of the objective appearance assumed by capitalist reality. As conscious being, it is therefore an essential and necessary part of this reality. Ideology is the concept which correspeonds to the real existance of the surface, as opposed to the correct, total consciousness which sees beyond the surface to the essential forms of social relations. The reality of bourgeois society is made up not only of material relations but also of ideology." (Jakubowski _Ideology and Superstructure in Historical Materialism_ 1971:103-4) NB Here's the full ref for Benhabib: Benhabib, Seyla. 1986._Critique Norm and Utopia: A Study of the 'Foundations of Critical Theory._New York: Columbia University Press. _______________ Charles: I'll think about the above some more. But what about the famous quote from Marx in _Capital_ vol. I. in the chapter on the Labor process, where he says the unique quality of human labor is that it is built in the imagination first, unlike the bee or the spider ? That doesn't contradict what you say and quote above necessarily, but, it seems to be that the imaginary is related to the objective like the ideal you describe, so why wouldn't the ideal be imaginary ? Gotta go myself right now. Charles Brown Detroit This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com _______________________________________________ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
