[Marxism-Thaxis] Krugman critiques Obama stimulus plan
Jim Devine wrote: but even FDR's Bonapartism was not very good in the early New Deal. The NRA, for example. Needed was mass pressure from the left. Lou Pro: Sad but true. With the left so weak, there is even less incentive for Obama to move boldly. If he has any motivation to create a kind of new New Deal, it will be from a policy wonk perspective. In other words, the kind of thing you get from the U. of Chicago economists he relies on. The screwy thing is that from the long term needs of the capitalist system, it is imperative to address infrastructure, environment, education, etc. but the state is too much a captive of ideological accretions and institutional inertia. When I had a house guest from Uganda in November who had exactly the same ethnic background as Obama, he dismissed Obama with one word: Brezhnev. ^ CB: Brezhnev was to the left of the Bonaparts , FDR, and Krugman. This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Krugman critiques Obama stimulus plan
On Jan 7, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Charles Brown wrote: Brezhnev was to the left of...Krugman. How many counterrevolutionary invasions did Krugman launch? How many political opponents did he send to labor camps? How many did he imprison in mental hospitals? Was Krugman a Stalinist? Shane Mage This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire, kindling in measures and going out in measures. Herakleitos of Ephesos ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Krugman critiques Obama stimulus plan
Shane Mage On Jan 7, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Charles Brown wrote: Brezhnev was to the left of...Krugman. How many counterrevolutionary invasions did Krugman launch? How many political opponents did he send to labor camps? How many did he imprison in mental hospitals? Was Krugman a Stalinist? CB: Stalinist is rightwing terminology. Are you are rightwinger ? Shane Mage This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire, kindling in measures and going out in measures. Herakleitos of Ephesos ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Krugman critiques Obama stimulus plan
On Jan 7, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Charles Brown wrote: Shane Mage On Jan 7, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Charles Brown wrote: Brezhnev was to the left of...Krugman. How many counterrevolutionary invasions did Krugman launch? How many political opponents did he send to labor camps? How many did he imprison in mental hospitals? Was Krugman a Stalinist? CB: Stalinist is rightwing terminology. Are you are rightwinger ? When I was young, all the Stalinists I knew were proud of the title. Weren't you? Weren't you all rightwingers? [rhetorical question] Shane Mage This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire, kindling in measures and going out in measures. Herakleitos of Ephesos ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] Krugman critiques Obama stimulus plan
Shane Mage shm...@pipeline.com 01/07/2009 2:26 PM On Jan 7, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Charles Brown wrote: Shane Mage On Jan 7, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Charles Brown wrote: Brezhnev was to the left of...Krugman. How many counterrevolutionary invasions did Krugman launch? How many political opponents did he send to labor camps? How many did he imprison in mental hospitals? Was Krugman a Stalinist? CB: Stalinist is rightwing terminology. Are you are rightwinger ? When I was young, all the Stalinists I knew were proud of the title. Weren't you? Weren't you all rightwingers? [rhetorical question] Shane Mage CB: No I taking it as an insult as it is thrown as an insult . It's anti-Communist and reactionary ( rhetorical answer) This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire, kindling in measures and going out in measures. Herakleitos of Ephesos ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Krugman critiques Obama stimulus plan
On Jan 7, 2009, at 6:33 PM, waistli...@aol.com wrote: I am one of those persons who once wore the mantel of Stalinism with pride. However, this tells no one of who I am or my body of politics or belief system. I tend to avoid such sloganeering and throwing Stalinism or Trotskyism at an individual because it tells no one nothing. You seem not to notice that the individual at whom I threw the brand Stalinist wasBrezhnev. On Jan 7, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Charles Brown wrote: Brezhnev was to the left of...Krugman. How many counterrevolutionary invasions did Krugman launch? How many political opponents did he send to labor camps? How many did he imprison in mental hospitals? Was Krugman a Stalinist? Shane Mage This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire, kindling in measures and going out in measures. Herakleitos of Ephesos ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Krugman critiques Obama stimulus plan
You seem not to notice that the individual at whom I threw the brand Stalinist wasBrezhnev. Hey call me a Stalinist if you want, I couldn't give a toss, really--just don't call me a Krugmanite. I think the point to be made here though is we need more than Krugman to critique the evolution of the ruling class's response to the crisis (which some focus on the presidency of a guy who hasn't even taken office yet). Afterall, the Krugman dude went at the Bushwa for 8 years and it was pretty milquetoast for we Stalinists. CJ ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
