Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Marx on the proletariat as ruling class

2010-11-28 Thread Peggy Dobbins


Peggy Powell Dobbins 
Sociology as an Art Form
www.peggydobbins.net


I don't really try to contribute to speculation about how the state withers 
into communist society with the disappearance of class antagonisms.  I would 
never conflate the state with the people. I guess you are referring to the 
cpussr's line late in their bloom, not implying I confuse them.  You will enjoy 
Mr I-phone's program: i had  to back tap because it changed to voided when I 
tapped cpussr, and now for cpussr gives no replacement found in a, yes, 
pink balloon.

I had more to say in reply to waistline, but art divinely intervenes: hold, 
enough as wasn't it someone's ghost who said?
P

Nov 27, 2010, at 1:07 PM, waistli...@aol.com wrote:
 
 The question then arises: What transformation will the state undergo  in 
 communist society? In other words, what social functions will remain in  
 existence there that are analogous to present state functions? This question 
 can 
 only be answered scientifically, and one does not get a flea-hop nearer to 
 the  problem by a thousand-fold combination of the word 'people' with the  
 word  'state'.

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[Marxism-Thaxis] Marx on the proletariat as ruling class

2010-11-27 Thread Waistline2
What did Marx write on the prospect of political and economic   transition 
between capitalist and communist society? 
 

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The question then arises: What transformation will the state undergo  in 
communist society? In other words, what social functions will remain in  
existence there that are analogous to present state functions? This question 
can 
 only be answered scientifically, and one does not get a flea-hop nearer to 
 the  problem by a thousand-fold combination of the word 'people' with the  
word  'state'. 
 
Between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the  
revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this 
is 
 also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but  
the  revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.  (End quote) 
 
Taken from Section IV., Critique of the Gotha Program, here presented is  
Marx definitive statement on the revolutionary dictatorship of the  pro  
letariat. 
 
II. 
 
Marx does in fact investigate the economic content of transition Between  
capitalist and communist society  . . . a political transition period in  
which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the  
proletariat. 
 
He does this is section 1,  subtitle: 3. 
 
The emancipation of labor demands the promotion of the instruments of  
labor to the common property of society and the co-operative regulation of the  
total labor, with a fair distribution of the proceeds of labor. 
 
In this section Marx unravels the meaning of economic - not political,  
transition to communist society based on the state of development of productive 
 forces and the value relations as both existed at the time of this 
writing.  One  should read this section for themselves. 
 
Critique was written April or early May, 1875 and has in mind the state  
of development of means of production at the front curve of industrial  
capital  development as opposed to the back of the curve in the colonies  and 
less developed countries, still struggle under political feudalism. 
 
III. 
 
If one agree with Marx formulation of the political content of the period  
of transition between capitalist and communist society, which in plain  
American  English is called the organization of the proletariat as ruling  
class, discourse  tend to fall on the issue of the economic content of this  
transition, which is  determined - in my opinion, by the degree of  development 
of means of production  and decay of the value relation. 
 
Revolution in the means of production and the rise of a technology regime  
evolving in antagonism with the OLD mode of exchange (DIVISION OF LABOR)  -  
based on commodity equivalents, define the economic content of our current  
period of transition. 
 
The political form of the state remains as Marx stated: a political  
transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary  
dictatorship of the proletariat. 
 
What has changed qualitatively, is the durability of the commodity form  
itself. 
 
Waistline
 
 

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