[Marxism-Thaxis] Third level of materialism
Third level of materialism Third level of materialism Let me suggest a third level of materialist determination, derived from the struggle between the Marxists and the structuralists/post-moderns, et. al. The superstructure is _determined_ when it is changed. It is changed only rarely, in revolutions. Revolutions are rare, by definition; in "punctuations". Most of the time of history, society is in convention or "equilibrium", not revolution. In conventional times, it is the superstructure of ideas that determines individual people's conduct. There is determination by ideas, ideology. Thought the _system_ of ideas, "cultural grammar" determines the actions by individual "beings". Only when practice of ideas comes into such crisis as to create a system changing contradiction in the system of ideas ( the cultural "grammar" in Levi-Straussian structural anthropology) does a revolution arise. This system and convention changing crisis and contradiction between practice and ideas systems is what Marx describes in his famous passage below (as well as in miniature in the Theses on Feuerbach , mostly succinctly the 2nd Thesis.) "At a certain stage of their development, the material productive forces of society come in conflict with the existing relations of production, or - what is but a legal expression for the same thing - with the property relations within which they have been at work hitherto. From forms of development of the productive forces these relations turn into their fetters. Then begins an epoch of social revolution. With the change of the economic foundation the entire immense superstructure is more or less rapidly transformed. In considering such transformations a distinction should always be made between the material transformation of the economic conditions of production, which can be determined with the precision of natural science, and the legal, political, religious, aesthetic or philosophic - in short, ideological forms in which men become conscious of this conflict and fight it out. Just as our opinion of an individual is not based on what he thinks of himself, so can we not judge such a period of transformation by its own consciousness; on the contrary, this consciousness must be explained rather from the contradictions of material life, from the existing conflict between the social productive forces and the relations of production. " Preface of A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1859/critique-pol-economy/preface-abs.htm This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] Third level of materialism
Third level of materialism Let me suggest a third level of materialist determination, derived from the struggle between the Marxists and the structuralists/post-moderns, et. al. The superstructure is _determined_ when it is changed. It is changed only rarely, in revolutions. Revolutions are rare, by definition; in "punctuations". Most of the time of history, society is in convention or "equilibrium", not revolution. In conventional times, it is the superstructure of ideas that determines individual peoples' conduct. There is determination by ideas, ideology. Thought determines the actions by "beings". Only when practice of ideas comes into such crisis as to create a system changing contradiction in the system of ideas ( the cultural "grammar" in Levi-Straussian structural anthropology) does a revolution arise. This system and convention changing crisis and contradiction between practice and ideas is what Marx describes in his famous passage below. "At a certain stage of their development, the material productive forces of society come in conflict with the existing relations of production, or - what is but a legal expression for the same thing - with the property relations within which they have been at work hitherto. From forms of development of the productive forces these relations turn into their fetters. Then begins an epoch of social revolution. With the change of the economic foundation the entire immense superstructure is more or less rapidly transformed. In considering such transformations a distinction should always be made between the material transformation of the economic conditions of production, which can be determined with the precision of natural science, and the legal, political, religious, aesthetic or philosophic - in short, ideological forms in which men become conscious of this conflict and fight it out. Just as our opinion of an individual is not based on what he thinks of himself, so can we not judge such a period of transformation by its own consciousness; on the contrary, this consciousness must be explained rather from the contradictions of material life, from the existing conflict between the social productive forces and the relations of production. " Preface of A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1859/critique-pol-economy/preface-abs.htm This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] Third level of materialism
On Materialism ( speaking of Mao), there are two levels of the relationship between thought and being: "economics" and "physics". While society remains in the Realm of Necessity , ruling classes control masses by conditioning fulfillment of the _material_needs of the exploited classes on the exploited classes ' producing surpluses for the ruling , exploiting classes. The materialism (determinism by the material) at this level derives from the coercive use of conditional provision of material needs. In all societies, including those in the Realm of Freedom ( socialist, communist future and ancient) , all people must , of course, "obey" the laws of physics, chemistry, biology, physiology, objective reality etc. "physics", in the general sense. How do Foucault, Butler, and other Post-moderns differ with these materialist principles ? ^^^ Let me suggest a third level of materialist determination, derived from the dialectic between the Marxists and the structuralists/post-moderns, et. al. The superstructure is _determined_ when it is changed. It is changed only rarely, in revolutions. Revolutions are rare, by definition; in "punctuations". Most of the time of history, society is in convention or "equilibrium", not revolution. In conventional times, it is the superstructure of ideas that determines individual peoples' conduct. There is determination by ideas, ideology. Thought determines the actions by "beings". Only when practice of ideas comes into such crisis as to create a system changing contradiction in the system of ideas ( the cultural "grammar" in Levi-Straussian structural anthropology) does a revolution arise. This system and convention changing crisis and contradiction between practice and ideas is what Marx describes in his famous passage below. "At a certain stage of their development, the material productive forces of society come in conflict with the existing relations of production, or — what is but a legal expression for the same thing — with the property relations within which they have been at work hitherto. From forms of development of the productive forces these relations turn into their fetters. Then begins an epoch of social revolution. With the change of the economic foundation the entire immense superstructure is more or less rapidly transformed. In considering such transformations a distinction should always be made between the material transformation of the economic conditions of production, which can be determined with the precision of natural science, and the legal, political, religious, aesthetic or philosophic — in short, ideological forms in which men become conscious of this conflict and fight it out. Just as our opinion of an individual is not based on what he thinks of himself, so can we not judge of such a period of transformation by its own consciousness; on the contrary, this consciousness must be explained rather from the contradictions of material life, from the existing conflict between the social productive forces and the relations of production. " Preface of A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1859/critique-pol-economy/preface-abs.htm This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
