[Marxism-Thaxis] specific help requested

2009-01-02 Thread Charles Brown
When I sent the quote on dialectics from Karl Marx in response to the inquiry of Susan F Dane, I cut off the last paragraph . I put it back in below. I do so because it is a nice comment on the current economic crisis , and even more interestingly, how it is the bourgeois media that keeps popping

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2008-12-25 Thread CeJ
One correction: Feuerbach and Bruner, I meant Bruno Bauer there (although see also Brunner in the discussion of dialectic in theology). CJ ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to:

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2008-12-25 Thread CeJ
Freak out of the week: I was trawling for stuff on Lonergan and came up with a Time.com archive article that dates 1965! http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,940894-1,00.html That was when Time still had extended discourse on real topics. I remember reading about how the Vietnam War

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2008-12-25 Thread CeJ
WL:As a practical question it never occurred to me to challenge individuals about their belief system and I generally work with people around specific issues that do not require philosophic debate as a precondition for activity. Further, I long ago gave up philosophic discussions under the banner

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2008-12-25 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/25/2008 6:03:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jann...@gmail.com writes: The irony being, I should think you could reach more people by trying to have philosophy debates and challenges of belief systems on an e-mail discussion list than you can in any curent 'proletarian

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2008-12-25 Thread CeJ
By communism movement I generally mean the spontaneous movement of humanity toward cooperation that erupted with the overthrow of primitive communism. I tend to alternate using words like the Marxist movement or communist and Marxist movement to distinguish it from the spontaneous communist

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2008-12-25 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/25/2008 7:45:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jann...@gmail.com writes: By communism movement I generally mean the spontaneous movement of humanity toward cooperation that erupted with the overthrow of primitive communism. I tend to alternate using words like the Marxist

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2008-12-25 Thread CeJ
Really, WL, your gidiness is contagious. I too am hopeful now that GMAC has become a bank and GM got a federal loan to keep overproducing. And I can't wait for those outdoor Demoncratic Corn Soup Rallies of 2012! CJ -- Japan Higher Education Outlook http://japanheo.blogspot.com/

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2008-12-25 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/25/2008 9:59:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jann...@gmail.com writes: Really, WL, your gidiness is contagious. I too am hopeful now that GMAC has become a bank and GM got a federal loan to keep overproducing. And I can't wait for those outdoor Demoncratic Corn Soup

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2008-12-24 Thread Ralph Dumain
: [Marxism-Thaxis] specific help requested I am puzzled as to how the question of reductionism is related to the question of liberation theology. Perhaps these were intended as separate questions. Re reductionism: note that the current location of my Emergence blog is: http

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2008-12-24 Thread Ralph Dumain
I think the link may have dropped out of this reference: “Love Is the Fulfilling of the Law” by Hewlett Johnson, Dean of Canterbury So here it is: http://www.autodidactproject.org/other/HJ-SP1.html The Red Dean was hardly atypical of fellow-traveling Christian socialists who pimped for

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2008-12-24 Thread CeJ
It is not quite as interesting a question as say, questions that fall under What does Marxism have to do with structuralism or with philosophy in general. Theology finds a better fit with issues in hermeneutics or pondering Wittgenstein (who has been described as non-religious as well as

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2008-12-24 Thread Ralph Dumain
@lists.econ.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] specific help requested It is not quite as interesting a question as say, questions that fall under What does Marxism have to do with structuralism or with philosophy in general. Theology finds a better fit with issues in hermeneutics or pondering

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2008-12-24 Thread CeJ
Follow up. Try reading about and reading some of the works of: Ernst Bloch Jürgen Moltmann Rudolf Bultmann For secondary sources, for example, see: http://crs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/31/1-2/115 http://www.jstor.org/pss/2381215 CJ ___

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2008-12-24 Thread CeJ
Second and most likely last follow up: Starting with Hegel's dialectic, we could go very nicely to Feuerbach and Bruner, and then on to Marx--but also Kierkegaard as well. I've never approached Marx from a religious angle (had a religious angle forced down my throat while studying Wittgenstein

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2008-12-24 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/25/2008 2:20:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jann...@gmail.com writes: Second and most likely last follow up: Starting with Hegel's dialectic, we could go very nicely to Feuerbach and Bruner, and then on to Marx--but also Kierkegaard as well. I've never approached

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2008-12-24 Thread Waistline2
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O101-LiberationTheology.html Liberation Theology From: The Concise Oxford Dictionary of World Religions | Date: 1997 | Author: JOHN BOWKER | © The Concise Oxford Dictionary of World Religions 1997, originally published by Oxford University Press 1997.

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2008-12-24 Thread Waistline2
Liberation Theology after the End of History: The Refusal to Cease Suffering by Daniel M. Bell Jr.. 212 pgs. Read the complete book Liberation Theology after the End of History: The Refusal to Cease Suffering by becoming a questia.com member. Choose a membership plan to an academic-level

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2008-12-24 Thread CeJ
Thanks for the reference to this loathsome piece of shit, Well for me the topic is something like a glass of sour milk being dashed onto the redhot glowing elements of an electric heater. Could anything good come from it? I tried by going back to the Young Hegelians. I guess some liberation

[Marxism-Thaxis] specific help requested

2008-12-23 Thread Susan F Dane
Dear Fellow-Subscribers: I've recently subscribed and am receiving a variety articles. However I'm looking for something specific pertaining to the following: I am currently beginning a study of 'liberation theology'. Marx and his 'dialectic' keep coming up in a way presupposing the reader

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2008-12-23 Thread farmela...@juno.com
Concerning Marxism and theology, while I am no expert on liberation theology, I am quite aware that many leading 20th century theologians took an interest in old Chuck (along with Feuerbach, Nietzsche and Freud), including such figures as Karl Barth, Reinhold Niebhur, and Paul Tillich, to name

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2008-12-23 Thread Susan F Dane
Dear Jim: Thank you so, so much for the references. I'll track them down. I appreciate your help. On Dec 23, 2008, at 7:50 AM, farmela...@juno.com wrote: Concerning Marxism and theology, while I am no expert on liberation theology, I am quite aware that many leading 20th century theologians

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2008-12-23 Thread farmela...@juno.com
Ralph Dumain posted a response which bounced to me. I approved it for the list, but it seems that it has gotten lost in cyberspace. So, I would suggest that Ralph either try posting it again, or send it directly to me, so I can post it. Jim Farmelant -- Susan F Dane susanfd...@mac.com wrote:

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2008-12-23 Thread farmela...@juno.com
Sent: Dec 23, 2008 8:45 AM To: marxism-thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] specific help requested I am puzzled as to how the question of reductionism is related to the question of liberation theology. Perhaps these were intended as separate questions. Re