M-TH: Re: Capital is wrong (production for sale, or not)

2000-03-27 Thread Rob Schaap
Hi again, Hugh. Just a quick reprise on the ol' chestnut at hand: You: >>>Market socialism is a cowardly utopian cop-out. Anything to avoid the >>>life-and-death confrontation with the bourgeoisie that creating the >>>preconditions for real socialism will involve. Me: >>Market Socialism ain't

Re: M-TH: Re: Capital is wrong (production for sale, or not)

2000-03-27 Thread Doug Henwood
Hugh Rodwell wrote: >This is clearly the stumbling block. Joanna sees a kind of transitional >phase between bourgeois ownership of the means of production and >proletarian ownership. As if the bourgeoisie would let go of them without >some other force immediately taking over the reins of ownershi

M-TH: Re: Capital is wrong (production for sale, or not)

2000-03-27 Thread Hugh Rodwell
Doug Henwood quotes me: >>This is clearly the stumbling block. Joanna sees a kind of transitional >>phase between bourgeois ownership of the means of production and >>proletarian ownership. As if the bourgeoisie would let go of them without >>some other force immediately taking over the reins of

M-TH: Re: Capital is wrong (production for sale, or not)

2000-03-27 Thread Hugh Rodwell
Rob quotes important bits of Trotsky relating to the market. This doesn't mean that Trotsky in any way viewed the system he is talking about as *market socialism*. He's talking about a dictatorship of the proletariat in which the smooth running of central planning depends to a great extent on accu