[Marxism-Thaxis] voting-2
Bill bartlett-- Political democracy is THE form/essence of most of the big bourgeois powers political superstructures today ! You admit the bosses use their economic power , ownership of economy , etc. to build up govermental power to do their bidding. Great! Then how on earth is punching these governments ballot papers going to be be allowed to seriously alter this ruling class power? Bourgeois democracy is the most effective way(for now anyway) to keep the workers politically confused and loyal ideologically and hence easler to manipulate by capital to defend the bourgeois terrain , weakening greatly the workers class interests , actions, hence developing class consciousness in struggle, action itself. Even in 'democracy" ( a sham) , the big bosses rule thru their hold over the state bureacracy, institutionally, and not just thru parliament any more. Bill.The capitalists have stolen a huge march on you on this front. Its time to begin to wake up!. You still don't explain why the political state (US) will hand out red,whate and blue stickers to those who vote. I'ts because they are doing the 'duty' the rulers and their State power want them to do. Or do you think the State/government is really 'neutral" in all of this class antagonism budding up out of the wages system? Neil. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
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Bill Bartlett--- So, according to you the the E. Timorese have achieved real 'independence' via their voting ! Really?? The E. Tomorese "independence' leaders have cut their own deals with Australian and US imperialism, Also Portuguese capital has manuvered to get a cut of the action, plundering E. Timorese offshore oil and other resources. You may think putting a powder blue UN shield on the occupation troops is some sort of liberation but the E. Timorese masses are being delivered out of the Indonesian rulers frying pan and into the Australian and USA bosses bourgeois fire . Your own illusions in bourgeois democracy are at root of your hosannas to alleged E. Timorese "independence" , a mirage in this epoch of world capitalist economy. Also E. timor will still be partly tied to the tender mercies of the Indonesian bosses too. Only a small segment of E. Timorese bourgeois types will benefit, and this dependent on their co-operation in putting the kabosh on any independent (real) Timorese workers organizations of struggle. Australia and the USA and Portuguese businesspeople are flocking into E. timor to cut contracts for new businesses and trade, to increase their capital, profits, and the UN troops are there to stabilize things for capital . Workers fighting on their class terrain will be met with the fixed bayonets or worse from the UN (capitals) occupation troops. E. Timor has seen one master (Indonesia ) in retreat onlty to be replaced by new more powerful masters and exploiters united with local nationalist "independence " gangs. I'm sure the Australian bosses drilling Timorese oil will love your apologetics, as well as the sprinklings of electoral holy water you have politically sanctified this "independence" with. For workers own organization and actions, not capitals electoral charades! Neil ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
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Yes, Jim D., true sure "they" give you a little red -white and blue sticker for your so-called duty to vote. But the "they" is a courtesy of the capitalists political state machinery for going along with and promoting the illusion that common folk have some say-so over the governments actions , federal, state city in the USA. This , is this modern monopoly capitalist epoch, is the most nausiating deception and deadly lie. Even as far as social reforms are concerned, who can name any in our adult lifetimes that were won (and many were/are to be later stripped down) via voting?. most anything of value to the working class has attained has come thru building movements of struggle and mass actions. Then these usually have to cope with the repressive and machiavellian style campaigns/sabotoge by the bosses democratic state. The same one issuing out these red white and blue lapel stickers for recognizing /respecting the bosses rule as legitimate over us by voting in its electoral circuses. Neil http://www.ibrp.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] . ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis