On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:35:45 -0500 "Paul Wright"
<pwri...@prisonlegalnews.org> writes:
> This is hardly new or unexpected. Vladimir jabotinsky was one of the 
> leading
> Zionists of the 1930s and no crime was too vile (including 
> collaboration
> with the Nazis) if it meant a Zionist homeland. 

Actually, Jabotinsky never advocated collaboration
with Nazi Germany, although he was more than
willing to accept assistance from Mussolini, who
for a time provided a naval college in Italy where
the Betar could do their training.

With the outbreak of the Second World War,
Jabotinsky called upon the Zionists to support
the Allies, including Great Britain.  During the
war, however, the Revisionist Zionists underwent
a split, with the LEHI, founded by Avraham Stern
and Yitzhak Shamir, opposing support for the
Allies on the grounds that Great Britain was
the greatest obstacle to independence for
a Jewish state in Palestine. And they indeed,
attempted to negotiate an arrangment with
the Third Reich.

> And lets not forget 
> the
> zionist congress that approved Uganda as the Jewish homeland, Herzl 
> had to
> fight that one back on his own. When god is your real estate agent 
> you need
> to nail down the particulars.
> 
> But other Zionists, like Ben Gurion were socialists. An Israeli 
> friend of
> mine has Ben Gurion's may day messages to Stalin framed on his 
> office wall.

Back during the 1920s and 1930s, Ben-Gurion would
often preface his speeches with references to Comrade Lenin
and Comrade Stalin.  Later on, he and the other Labor Zionists
looked mainly towards Great Britain for support for the creation
of a Jewish state.

> It was soviet guns and support that made Israel a reality. 

Mostly, indirectly via Czechoslovakia.  The Soviet Union,
however, did much to make the creation of Israel possible.
They had backed the 1947 plan for the partition of Palestine.
They early on recognized the new state when it was created
in 1948.  Stalin, I believe, did allow a limited number of
Jewish veterans from the Red Army to come to Israel to
assist the IDF.

> There is 
> a broad
> ideological range within Zionism. But that is common (i.e., the 
> Irish
> liberation movement has everything from M-Ls to right wing 
> Catholics). I
> find it interesting that Israel has gone through 3 patrons to date 
> (USSR,
> France and now the US) which would seem to prove Benjamin Disraeli's 
> axiom
> that there are no permanent allies, only permanent interests. The 
> strategic
> vision and determination of Zionist leaders over the past 100 years 
> has
> certainly been impressive as they seized every historic opportunity 
> to make
> Israel a reality. Getting the Palestinians to pay for atrocities 
> committed
> by the Germans is simply brilliant.
> 
> 
> 
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