Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Black History Month 2009 Change and continuity: 4

2009-02-27 Thread Waistline2
Obama is - expresses, this changed reality, and was called forth to do the  
impossible. Obama supersedes and leaps over the long night, that was the era of 
 the rise and fall of the black political leader. A peculiar political 
phenomenon  brought to life by Jim Crow segregation. 
 
Black History Month 2009 Change and continuity: The election of Barack  Obama 
By Waistline2 

Obama: Change or continuity? (Part III) By  Elíades Acosta Matos raises a 
question whose answer is both! 

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Part 4 
 

Death of a Salesman. 
 
The election of Barack Obama closes out a period of American history and  
opens the door to the Third American Revolution: proletarian revolution, 
because  
of time, place and space outlined in part 1.  Barack Obama has the  demeanor, 
oratory and uses much of the language symbols of the black leader in  
American history. Or does he; or is it American history, with its persistent  
recycling of Give me liberty or give me death? 
 
Obama, rather than President Barack Obama, has a personal familiarity to it  
that can be quite discomforting, but is called forth due to his personal  
qualities and living link as momentary American history. Obama resurrected the  
dead undying Lincoln. Towards a more perfect Union. Communists rooted in  
American history fail to appropriate this same history at their peril. 
 
Obama collected the dreams and realized dreams of an older generation that  
is our nation of immigrants. And former slaves. Don’t matter what kind of ship 
 carried you to America, we are all in the same boat.  Who lacks the  
courage or manliness to apply this formula on a class basis and bias? Here is  
the 
real cultural war being waged against a certain infantile 1960ish counter  
culture amongst the left. 
 
Obama’s wielding of the politics of change is not reducible to demagogy,  
although electoral politics and much of all politics involves demagogy in the  
shape of the inspiring but unachievable driving vision. This includes 
communist  politics and the demand for economic communism, whose emancipation 
of the  
proletariat is forever blocked, from full realization by an existing material  
configuration that is division of labor and productive force development; 
even  after the criminal bourgeoisie has been swept from the furthers corner of 
earth. 
 
Even Jesus wept. 
 
. . . . Over the barriers. . 
 
Marx shifted his projection of world revolution as a doctrine of combat.  
Marx faced his very own quantifying dilemma. Engels explained why the  
programmatic demands of the Manifesto were obsolete. Lenin’s lament, built iron 
 and 
steel socialism. Then the loop of logic carries us back to the  future/present 
Marx; world revolution for this generations. It is precisely  because Marx 
himself could not quantify the progression of the proletarian  revolution the 
he 
and Engels wrote numerous prefaces to the Communists  Manifesto, after the 
fact. 
These prefaces alone are worth their weight in good  to the communist 
revolution. 
 
Voting America expressed its desire for real change, which it cannot yet  
define or articulate as a coherent vision because of its lack of class  
consciousness. At least this is how the American people understand their own  
actions 
expressed in Obama’s election, I would dare say. Therefore Obama is to  be 
quantified, with instruments from the previous configuration of American  
history. 
To do such is to leave - liquidate (Lenin’s word) the last period, this  time 
forever. 
 
Peering through the surface of the process dialectic of vision, cause and  
change; is the machinery of society; the outer expression of the underlying  
revolutionary process, felt and experienced as the fight in the political  
sphere. What Marxists generally call the superstructure, the ideological battle 
 and 
what Americans once and generally call - with contempt, politics and  
arguing religion. Politics in our country at all times express shifting  
political 
alliances and shifting structural relations or the living institutions  that 
hold together the unity of the productive forces and the social relations -  
(if you will), of living economic and political America. This shifting always 
is 
 bound up with the North/South political axis, due to slavery. 
 
Obama in the flesh completes a social and political process, which actually  
matured with the Clinton administration. This period actually begins with Bush 
 1, but he was quickly silenced after floating the concept of the new world  
order. No political grouping or social movement in America can accomplish 
any  of its goals without impacting and carrying with them 50 - 70 million 
people as  a political and social base. 
 
Obama must be quantified. He will be quantified. The last period liquidates  
itself on the basis of itself. 
 
That Obama is 

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Black History Month 2009 Change and continuity: 4

2009-02-27 Thread Ralph Dumain
As much as I love Billy Stewart, even he's not helping draw whatever 
conclusions I'm supposed to draw from Obama.

I'm not seeing anything here but a political vacuum for the communist 
alternative you're talking about.  Everybody in America believes in capital, 
jobs, and wage labor.

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.

Obama’s campaign momentarily created a gravitational pull strong enough to  
pull a large section of our working class spontaneously gravitating to the  
right, as their first political impulse. This is due precisely to the fact that 
 
labor is tied to capital by a thousand threads and the impulse to recapture  
economic security - a job, means spontaneously recreating the capital-labor  
bond. The spontaneous impulse to recapture a lost past and stability. Here is  
where we meet the fascist danger in the flesh. This does not  mean pushing  
Obama to the left, but rather establishing economic communism, devoid of its  
historic ideology as a form of Sovietism, as a political pole. Obama and no one 
 else is to be pushed to the left. Rather, establishing a communist 
polarity  will compelled everything in the middle to seek refuge with this pole 
as a  
consistent fighter against fascism. 
 
Obama has to be quantified while knowing such quantification is bound to be  
wrong, outside stating he is the chief political representative/executive of  
imperial capital. This of course is no quantification but a qualification or  
quality. Obama is capital personified. Knowing this and a dime won't even  
shine ones shoes, on Broadway. 
 
Obama also brings to an end the peculiar phenomenon of the black leader. A  
historical character that pushed himself unto history as the product result of  
open fascism in the Jim Crow South and his police state cousin in the North’s 
 Negro conclaves. At the close of the Civil War the blacks began their  
spontaneous drift throughout American society. With the overthrow of  
Reconstruction and the institution of fascism and Jim Crow the structural  
relations within 
and between classes in America were recast. The black leader  emerges as the 
go between - navigator, between the structures separating black  society 
from white. Between 1865 and the 1890’s there were leaders and political  
leaders 
in government that were black. These leaders were not the peculiar  
phenomenon of the black leader. The counter revolution was the condition for 
the  birth 
of the Black leader. 


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Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Black History Month 2009 Change and continuity: 4

2009-02-27 Thread Waistline2
As much as I love Billy Stewart, even he's not helping draw whatever  
conclusions I'm supposed to draw from Obama.
 
I'm not seeing anything here but a political vacuum for the communist  
alternative you're talking about.  Everybody in America believes in  capital, 
jobs, 
and wage labor.


Reply 
 
Most in America passively and aggressively supported Jim Crow until than  
magnificent struggle broke out on DECEMBER 4, 1955 in Montgomery Alabama. Then  
it would take a decade of intense struggle to outlaw lynching and get the 
Voting  Rights Act and later fair housing legislation. Then it would take 
another 
twenty  years for blacks to become fused into the national political sphere. 
Then it  would take another 20 years to get our first Black President.  
 
We are at the very beginning and Obama's election might be analogous to  
something like Montgomery 1955. 
 
To optimistic? 
 
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Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Black History Month 2009 Change and continuity: 4

2009-02-27 Thread Waistline2
As much as I love Billy Stewart, even he's not  helping draw whatever  
conclusions I'm supposed to draw from  Obama.

I'm not seeing anything here but a political vacuum for the  communist  
alternative you're talking about.  Everybody in America  believes in  
capital, jobs, 
and wage labor.


Reply  


Yo . . . what is meant by a communist pole - polarity is a politic held  
together by the simple belief that society most provide for people who have  
little or no money and cannot pay their bills. That's it. The only way for  
people 
to have socially necessary means of life, when people cannot buy them due  to 
lack of money, is for society to give them these things. That it! 
 
All that cramp about glorious workers, and workers councils and workers  
democracy; Stalin vs Trotsky and so on is useless and means nothing. The  
masses 
themselves are going to strive for greater political liberty as a  spontaneous 
impulse. 
 
As a fight I am feeling economic communism as stated above. Everything else  
as political ideology is more or less useless. I believe this is the stage we  
are at. 
 
 
WL
 
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Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Black History Month 2009 Change and continuity: 4

2009-02-27 Thread Ralph Dumain
All of these marxist reference points are of historical value, only.  And the 
various political sects are only good for distributing literature to the tiny 
number of people interested in these perspectives, plus coalition action which 
everyone does anyway.

This financial crisis points the way towards the obsolescence of capital as the 
engine of jobs, prosperity, and wage labor, but nobody is prepared to go there. 
The very notion is taboo. Yet this ridiculous stimulus package opens up the 
entire system to scrutiny.  But that also means we are at a juncture of great 
danger.  The bourgeoisie itself is probably divided between the thugs of the 
far right and the sensibly bourgeoisie that wants to see Obama succeed, 
sensitive to the severe consequences of his failure. Obama will hold the class 
structure of America together as best he can, and his self-deceiving ideology 
is the engine by which he got there and will proceed, with all the ridiculous 
Americanist rhetoric intact. The most noteworthy aspect of taking the high 
road is that Obama can appear, and probably believes he is, totally 
nonpartisan, bipartisan, or whatever, all along being forced to take more 
liberal or social democratic measures to correct the heinous state of affairs 
he has bequeathed.  A shift in the overall political direction of the country 
won't depend on him, but if popular pressure forces him to move to the left, he 
would do so.  And that's the only way any president gets anything done, whether 
it be Lincoln, FDR, or LBJ, the only presidents good for anything since the 
Founding Fathers.

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As much as I love Billy Stewart, even he's not  helping draw whatever  
conclusions I'm supposed to draw from  Obama.

I'm not seeing anything here but a political vacuum for the  communist  
alternative you're talking about.  Everybody in America  believes in  
capital, jobs, 
and wage labor.


Reply  


Yo . . . what is meant by a communist pole - polarity is a politic held  
together by the simple belief that society most provide for people who have  
little or no money and cannot pay their bills. That's it. The only way for  
people 
to have socially necessary means of life, when people cannot buy them due  to 
lack of money, is for society to give them these things. That it! 
 
All that cramp about glorious workers, and workers councils and workers  
democracy; Stalin vs Trotsky and so on is useless and means nothing. The  
masses 
themselves are going to strive for greater political liberty as a  spontaneous 
impulse. 
 
As a fight I am feeling economic communism as stated above. Everything else  
as political ideology is more or less useless. I believe this is the stage we  
are at. 


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Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Black History Month 2009 Change and continuity: 4

2009-02-27 Thread Waistline2
All of these marxist reference points are of  historical value, only.  And 
the various political sects are only good for  distributing literature to the 
tiny number of people interested in these  perspectives, plus coalition action 
which everyone does anyway.

This  financial crisis points the way towards the obsolescence of capital as 
the  engine of jobs, prosperity, and wage labor, but nobody is prepared to go 
there.  The very notion is taboo. Yet this ridiculous stimulus package opens 
up the  entire system to scrutiny.  But that also means we are at a juncture of 
 great danger.  The bourgeoisie itself is probably divided between the thugs  
of the far right and the sensibly bourgeoisie that wants to see Obama 
succeed,  sensitive to the severe consequences of his failure. Obama will hold 
the 
class  structure of America together as best he can, and his self-deceiving 
ideology is  the engine by which he got there and will proceed, with all the 
ridiculous  Americanist rhetoric intact. The most noteworthy aspect of taking 
the 
high  road is that Obama can appear, and probably believes he is, totally  
nonpartisan, bipartisan, or whatever, all along being forced to take more  
liberal or social democratic measures to correct the heinous state of affairs 
he  
has bequeathed.  A shift in the overall political direction of the country  
won't depend on him, but if popular pressure forces him to move to the left, he 
 
would do so.  And that's the only way any president gets anything done,  
whether it be Lincoln, FDR, or LBJ, the only presidents good for anything since 
 
the Founding Fathers.

Reply

Agreed. 100%

This thing about  the founding fathers and their wisdom is not everyone's 
story. :-) 

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Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Black History Month 2009 Change and continuity: 4

2009-02-27 Thread Waistline2
Obama has not been in office very long and his bipartisan rhetoric, will in  
practice be jettisoned; is being jettisoned as he pointedly state I won the  
election, and the real Obama will emerge. The real Obama is of course  the 
CEO for capital, and everything he stated and promised in the election  
campaign. His job is to institutionalize the new/changing social relations  of 
production, expressing this new stage in the decay of capital and the  
technological 
revolution. As a traditional Roosevelt type Democrat he will  expand the 
social safety net, primarily for what in all his campaign speeches,  he calls 
the 
hard working middle class and sections of the poorest workers.  

Interestingly, Bush W. and Reagan's administration busted the budget and  
expanded government, only directing government funds where they wanted them.  
The Democrats want a different direction. 
 
Only social revolution can stop certain things. 
 
The huge mass that was once dubbed the reserve army of labor, was called  
such precisely because it was a reserve to be thrown into the battle for  
production during peak period of production. No level of production and  
consumption 
today can throw this huge mass of labor into the production process,  because 
of what Marx called the progress of industry. This mass of labor has  been 
rendered superfluous to the production of capital as an expanded value in  the 
absolute sense.  Here is the 800 lb. gorilla in the living room many  deny 
exist, with other claiming it is not really a gorilla at all. From reserve  
army 
to a permanent caste of proletarians shut out the civic society of the  
bourgeoisie. 
 
Change most certainly must be from the bottom up. Here is the bottom. Below  
is how the late Comrade Mark Jones described this mass Oct. 1998 - a 
description  I agreed with and wrote about alongside him in 1999/2000. 
 
The precocious success of 'decarbonisation' and dematerialisation has  
produced this outcome, one where the greatest reserve army of labour in history 
 -- 
more than half of humankind: confronts the greatest accumulation of  
productive power known to history, across a social nomansland which leaves each 
 
inaccessible to the other and has resulted in locking the majority of humankind 
 
out of the benefits of production and indeed out of society and in a sense, out 
 
of history. 
 
(Note: inaccessible to the other and has resulted in locking the majority  
of humankind out of the benefits of production = locked out the civic society  
of the bourgeoisie = from reserve of industry to permanent outcast) 
 
Any real new upswing or serious resumption of production (I do not mean  the 
kind of illusory boomlets which always occur within real depressions, and  
did for example throughout the 1930s, when the 'turning of the corner' was  
monotonously proclaimed and always proven wrong within days or weeks) is 
certain  
to be short-lived since it must press against the absolute limit of 
valorisation  inscribed within the mode of production itself, and which history 
has now 
as it  were brought to the surface. (end quote) 
 
(Note: is certain to be short-lived since it must press against the  
absolute limit of valorisation inscribed within the mode of production itself, 
 = 
the historical limit of capitalist production). 
 
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The most noteworthy aspect of taking the high road is that Obama can  
appear, and probably believes he is, 
totally nonpartisan, bipartisan, or  whatever,
 

CB: Well isn't he ? That's basically
what you say here.
 
all along being forced to take more liberal or social democratic measures  to 
correct the heinous state of affairs 
he has bequeathed.  A shift in  the overall political direction of the 
country won't depend on him, but if  
popular pressure forces him to move to the left, he would do so.
 
^^
CB: Which is what he says. Changes comes from
the bottom  up.
 


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