Re: [Marxism] Stephen F. Cohen is not the man he used to be | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

2014-05-02 Thread Marv Gandall
==
Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message.
==



On 2014-05-02, at 3:50 PM, Louis Proyect wrote:

 ==
 Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message.
 ==
 
 
 Ever since the crisis in the Ukraine broke out, Stephen F. Cohen has been 
 campaigning on behalf of a Kremlin that he warns is being unfairly demonized 
 by the West as part of an effort to start a new Cold War. Some of his 
 arguments can only be described as ludicrous. For example: “That the Ukraine 
 crisis was instigated by the West’s attempt, last November, to smuggle the 
 former Soviet republic into NATO.” In fact, despite the millions of words to 
 this effect from the pro-Putin left, this is what the new foreign minister 
 stated on March 29th:
 
   Acting Foreign Affairs Minister of Ukraine Andriy Deschytsia has once 
 again stated that the new Ukrainian government is not intending to lead 
 Ukraine to NATO.
 
   “We are considering all options regarding the strengthening of our 
 security and collective security. But we must stick to the existing 
 legislation of Ukraine,” he said at a press conference in Kyiv on Saturday.
 
   The official noted that in accordance with the Ukrainian legislation 
 Ukraine is a non-aligned state.

You characteristically neglected to add:

But the issue whether to change this legislation depends on the Ukrainian 
parliament. The program of the new Ukrainian government does not contain the 
intention of becoming a member of NATO, he said.

Deschytsia added that Ukraine supports an intensive dialogue with NATO and is 
discussing different forms and ways of cooperation.

http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/198372.html

Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu
Set your options at: 
http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com


Re: [Marxism] Stephen F. Cohen is not the man he used to be | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

2014-05-02 Thread Louis Proyect

==
Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message.
==


On 5/2/14 5:42 PM, Marv Gandall wrote:

Deschytsia added that Ukraine supports an intensive dialogue with NATO and is 
discussing different forms and ways of cooperation.


So when are the Right Sector pogroms against the Jews happening in 
Ukraine that you were warning about, Marvin? It turned out that I was 
right and you were wrong. Maybe you'd have a better track record if you 
spent less time trawling Global Research and RT.com as I suspect you do.



Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu
Set your options at: 
http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com


Re: [Marxism] Stephen F. Cohen is not the man he used to be | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

2014-05-02 Thread Joseph Catron
==
Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message.
==


On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote:

Maybe you'd have a better track record if you spent less time trawling
 Global Research and RT.com as I suspect you do.


Lou, do I really have to tell you who fills my inbox with citations of
those domains? Gmail makes it really easy to figure out.

I'll give you two hints: it isn't Marv, and it seems obsessive to the point
of unhealthiness.

-- 
Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen
lytlað.

Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu
Set your options at: 
http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com