Re: [Marxism] These People Are Still Being Held by Armed Separatists in Ukraine | VICE News
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On May 4, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Louis Proyect wrote: So how does a People's Republic justify abducting people? I don't remember Marx writing about this in Class Struggles in France. But in fact Marx did write about the Commune abducting people (including the Archbishop of Paris) and executing them. He even criticized the Commune for this--that is, for *not* executing them until the very end! Shane Mage Thunderbolt steers all things. Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64 Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] These People Are Still Being Held by Armed Separatists in Ukraine | VICE News
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 5/4/14 11:47 AM, Shane Mage wrote: But in fact Marx did write about the Commune abducting people (including the Archbishop of Paris) and executing them. He even criticized the Commune for this--that is, for *not* executing them until the very end! Shane, you are hilarious. The taking of hostages was not initiated by the Communards but by the Prussians. The Communards resorted to this tactic after the fashion of the Red Army in the civil war in 1918 in the same way that capital punishment was reinstituted on a temporary basis. What this has to do with Vice reporter Simon Ostrovsky being abducted in Donetsk and beaten for nearly a week is anybody's guess. I understand that you are fairly cynical in making such an argument but there are other people who take their Marx seriously who see through your sophistry. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] These People Are Still Being Held by Armed Separatists in Ukraine | VICE News
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Hopefully these people are alive and hopefully they will be released without harm. Unfortunately, the several dozen people killed the other day in a union building in Odessa that was attacked by the Ukrainian ultra-rightists will not be going home. Paul F Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] These People Are Still Being Held by Armed Separatists in Ukraine | VICE News
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 5/4/14 3:30 PM, Paul Flewers wrote: Hopefully these people are alive and hopefully they will be released without harm. Unfortunately, the several dozen people killed the other day in a union building in Odessa that was attacked by the Ukrainian ultra-rightists will not be going home. I don't advocate burning buildings down but *some* of the people who died were just as violent as *some* of those on the other side as this Telegraph article would indicate: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10806656/Ukraine-crisis-death-by-fire-in-Odessa-as-country-suffers-bloodiest-day-since-the-revolution.html Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
