Re: [Marxism] [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Trump, Barr and Julius Caesar
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * > On Feb 14, 2020, at 10:18 PM, John Reimann <1999wild...@gmail.com> wrote: > > As far as organize to do what: I've spelled that out many times in many of > the articles of Oaklandsocialist. I don't think it's necessary to do so every > single time. There’s a lot of stuff on the Oaklandsocialist website that doesn’t seem to address this question, so maybe you could suggest some specific links — ideally where you explain how you propose to pay for the things that you're calling on people to do, or at least that you think they will call upon themselves to do under the conditions you envisage. Will those payments be made in US dollars? If you think these are not very good questions, please propose better ones. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Trump, Barr and Julius Caesar
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * In the first place, it's not really all that critical whether Trump and Barr planned it out before hand. The basic dynamics remain the same. As far as organize to do what: I've spelled that out many times in many of the articles of Oaklandsocialist. I don't think it's necessary to do so every single time. John Reimann On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 6:28 PM MM wrote: > On Feb 14, 2020, at 8:21 PM, John Reimann via Marxism < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > > When I first heard about it, I had thought that the whole dance between > Trump and Barr was carefully choreographed. But then, reading further and > realizing that such a scheme would be too subtle for Trump's lizard brain, > I changed my view. > > > There’s no doubt that what’s happening is complex, but this line from > John’s linked piece is hard to take seriously: > > "Trump’s lizard brain must have started to get the feeling that he was > moving towards a situation similar to that of Julius Caesar in > Shakespeare’s play of that name.” > > So Trump’s “lizard brain” can’t handle the kind of political machination > that would be involved in a corrupt conspiracy with Barr, but he’s somehow > motivated by an instinctive familiarity with the dilemma faced by > Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar? I’m not sure John has really thought this line > of reasoning through very carefully. I think there’s a fundamental > misjudgment here about what Trump is and is not good at; I think it should > be considered beyond question that he’s pretty good at orchestrating > criminal conspiracy. Still, I confess I’d love to see an interviewer ask > him for his take on the play. > > But there’s also this: > > “Meanwhile, socialists and real working class fighters should > be explaining and agitating for working class independence and > for organizing out in the streets to fight this onslaught of > capitalism driven mad in the person of Trump… and whoever follows him.” > > Organizing them to do what? And how do you plan to pay for it? > -- *“In politics, abstract terms conceal treachery.” *from "The Black Jacobins" by C. L. R. James Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Trump, Barr and Julius Caesar
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * > On Feb 14, 2020, at 8:21 PM, John Reimann via Marxism > wrote: > > When I first heard about it, I had thought that the whole dance between > Trump and Barr was carefully choreographed. But then, reading further and > realizing that such a scheme would be too subtle for Trump's lizard brain, > I changed my view. There’s no doubt that what’s happening is complex, but this line from John’s linked piece is hard to take seriously: "Trump’s lizard brain must have started to get the feeling that he was moving towards a situation similar to that of Julius Caesar in Shakespeare’s play of that name.” So Trump’s “lizard brain” can’t handle the kind of political machination that would be involved in a corrupt conspiracy with Barr, but he’s somehow motivated by an instinctive familiarity with the dilemma faced by Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar? I’m not sure John has really thought this line of reasoning through very carefully. I think there’s a fundamental misjudgment here about what Trump is and is not good at; I think it should be considered beyond question that he’s pretty good at orchestrating criminal conspiracy. Still, I confess I’d love to see an interviewer ask him for his take on the play. But there’s also this: “Meanwhile, socialists and real working class fighters should be explaining and agitating for working class independence and for organizing out in the streets to fight this onslaught of capitalism driven mad in the person of Trump… and whoever follows him.” Organizing them to do what? And how do you plan to pay for it? _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Trump, Barr and Julius Caesar
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * When I first heard about it, I had thought that the whole dance between Trump and Barr was carefully choreographed. But then, reading further and realizing that such a scheme would be too subtle for Trump's lizard brain, I changed my view. "The present melodrama surrounding the sentencing guidelines of Trump partner-in-crime Roger Stone shows the same process as has Trump’s drive to take one person control over the State Department and the National Security Council. Trump had to get rid of his political soul-mate, Jeff Sessions, because Sessions had an eye to his future and, therefore, wouldn’t simply be the complete lackey for Trump. He had to recuse himself from the investigation of what amounted to Trump’s ties with Putin. (That this investigation was not serious is another story.) Trump seemed to have struck gold with the hiring of Barr who, among other things, refused to turn over and then lied about Mueller’s ultimate report." https://secure-web.cisco.com/1CEfvKytPqJQnClUvnoE8k51lM4J2aLHBsKhFnuY40iUJaW6TmXUjLVbQNUNzPoLICD41RuS0oNDP9cEomnmcRRK7bfFExcG6o6KmP99fPmvWfuGkN4HuhIINxrn8-mKMCdFLwcs8VmpxZVNi3XqqbSUYI1_NNKihHheGrT6Rvn1aGFHQrYaeUdFXzOV9ue-h21BNeNSqNHd4Oo0zYZL-l7GJeHaD4BM1uNi4oQaMRPc19EAg6-3ttaKHNilnTN1yZWISkbFvgdfEQ4Av9HjF3kV6X7E9xj-ss9pWNJaWlN3vLWcN99hBCkxxrAqYiB5ceKKhKAwbrR1MKJx-uXoC44h9Qky_cYLbGZL5A2ZHp9C_pg0lBJghk5C2ADgNNISo/https%3A%2F%2Foaklandsocialist.com%2F2020%2F02%2F15%2Ftrump-barr-and-julius-caesar%2F -- *“In politics, abstract terms conceal treachery.” *from "The Black Jacobins" by C. L. R. James Check out:https:http://secure-web.cisco.com/1JWqTLCzffiCeuLweDagHF6efJrd4VDuk5CVQPn6LVXg6A6c2cm4ExQ74JKi8U7-mtQP7oHzJyzFAOciO4vvQn1gSsIVD1G1ouW-owqaBHKYGUzrXifdPlRAZKV0Ec_CwTkViojETDI8W-9dFWxV5ntqSMaqGTOiui-07w-1ZRU4X4RPs6ElgWYi3bE5y6aiLttIy2pDPsiqm6LlDfS321GRr_1KD1Y8Pn1_HZIG7glgfLnFA6wWM-L7Woq6cOZ0YJtVveBWRNtEQpKH9kq7j8rTcIuTZciy1AhfvspYXKkSduiCBDIZ_FwizbpkY1YYyoRIYh5DVy317I2S9diQJjabnQ8asb8zt5Xage1Q3coaU0vACOsbcKBIgJKDMdj1r/http%3A%2F%2Foaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
