Re: [Marxism] Charlie Hebdo and Laïcité

2015-01-19 Thread Ken Hiebert via Marxism
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I read Andrew Coate's piece Charlie Hebdo and Laïcité with great interest.  He 
is clearly familiar with history  of which I am ignorant.
In his defence of Charlie Hebdo he acknowledges the criticism of CH that 
,,,they attacked the faith of the banlieues, the poor, the marginalised.  He 
describes this as a ,,,brazen distortion.

I am sure he acknowledges that Islam (more than other religions in France) is 
the the faith of the banlieues, the poor, the marginalised.  Perhaps he is 
arguing that CH was not attacking Islam.  A case might be made for that view. 
So I read through his article to see what case he would make.  He didn't.  
Having made his assertion in the second sentence of his article, he simply 
dropped the question.  Has he dealt with this elsewhere?  No link or reference 
was provided.

Perhaps the argument is that a large number of people simply misunderstood what 
CH was saying.  Was there nothing CH could have done to make their intent more 
clear?

ken h
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[Marxism] Charlie Hebdo and Laïcité.

2015-01-19 Thread andrew coates via Marxism
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Left Socialist BlogCharlie Hebdo and Laïcité 

Hostility to Charlie Hebdo is widespread on the Anglophone left, liberal and 
socialist. While deploring the Paris murders a series of “buts” keeps cropping 
up. But…Charlie was provocative (a pretty redundant remark), but they insulted 
people’s deeply held beliefs, (see previous comment), but (and this is a brazen 
distortion) they attacked the faith of the banlieues, the poor, the 
marginalised.
https://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2015/01/19/charlie-hebdo-and-laicite-secularism/
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Re: [Marxism] Charlie Hebdo and Laïcité.

2015-01-19 Thread Leigh Phillips via Marxism
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Excellent piece, Andrew. And what a vile comment from Tariq Ali. 

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 Left Socialist BlogCharlie Hebdo and Laïcité 
 
 Hostility to Charlie Hebdo is widespread on the Anglophone left, liberal and 
 socialist. While deploring the Paris murders a series of “buts” keeps 
 cropping up. But…Charlie was provocative (a pretty redundant remark), but 
 they insulted people’s deeply held beliefs, (see previous comment), but (and 
 this is a brazen distortion) they attacked the faith of the banlieues, the 
 poor, the marginalised.
 https://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2015/01/19/charlie-hebdo-and-laicite-secularism/
 Andrew Coates 
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