Re: [Marxism] race, gender and class in the US

[John Reimann via Marxism]

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There is a difference between "hardly" and "doesn't at all". There are some
workers - especially black and Latino but also some white workers - who are
aware of their class interests. In other words, have a class consciousness.
Also, let's not forget that like all people, workers' consciousness is not
monolithic; what is foremost today can recede into the background tomorrow,
and vice versa.

We are seeing an uptick in strikes nowadays. Even the steelworkers, many of
whom support Trump, might go on strike. If there were a significant more
within the anti-Trump left to link up with this, it would have an effect.
If there were a few working class candidates who ran campaigns linking up
these issues, that could also have an effect.

John Reimann

My point is that

On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 8:50 AM Dennis Brasky  wrote:

> I agree with your analysis, but if the working class hardly exists as an
> independent force, what material/political basis can a working class party
> be built upon?
>
> On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 11:12 AM John Reimann via Marxism <
> marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> What this shows is not that the working class is divided; it's actually
>> fragmented. It hardly exists as an independent force in US society. This
>> has created a massive vacuum, and just as nature abhors a vacuum, so does
>> politics. It is exactly this vacuum that has allowed the most extreme
>> views, the most extreme aggression against the working class to become a
>> mass force.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [Marxism] race, gender and class in the US

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I agree with your analysis, but if the working class hardly exists as an
independent force, what material/political basis can a working class party
be built upon?

On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 11:12 AM John Reimann via Marxism <
marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

>
> What this shows is not that the working class is divided; it's actually
> fragmented. It hardly exists as an independent force in US society. This
> has created a massive vacuum, and just as nature abhors a vacuum, so does
> politics. It is exactly this vacuum that has allowed the most extreme
> views, the most extreme aggression against the working class to become a
> mass force.
>
>
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[Marxism] race, gender and class in the US

[John Reimann via Marxism]

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Here  is an
interesting article on the divisions in US society. It gives a breakdown of
the views of the Kavanaugh nomination by age, gender and ethnic group
(black, white, and Latino or what they call "Hispanic").

This poll shows that the main division about Kavanaugh is not around
gender; it's around race. The overwhelming majority of black and Latino
people, male and female, young and old, oppose Kavanaugh. Among whites, it
is much more divided. Even white women support Kavanaugh's confirmation by
51% to 40%. There is something of a difference by age, meaning that younger
white women would tend more to oppose Kavanaugh than would older white
women, but that division is nowhere near as great as by race/ethnicity.

It does not give a breakdown by class or even income, which approximates
class but is a far from perfect indicator of it. However, support for Trump
spans the class divisions, and there is no reason to think support for
Kavanaugh doesn't do the same.

What this shows is not that the working class is divided; it's actually
fragmented. It hardly exists as an independent force in US society. This
has created a massive vacuum, and just as nature abhors a vacuum, so does
politics. It is exactly this vacuum that has allowed the most extreme
views, the most extreme aggression against the working class to become a
mass force. It is why more than ever socialists should be emphasizing the
necessity of starting to take the small steps possible to build a working
class party (not a "left" party; a *working class* party). And as Cliff
Willmeng, workers candidate for Boulder County Commissioner, explains in
his interview
,
it's not possible to do this while supporting the liberal wing of the
Democrats.

John Reimann


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