Re: [Marxism] Interest in Bukharin's writing
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 1/19/15 11:05 AM, Sebastian Clare via Marxism wrote: Forgive my ignorance. Possibly somewhat unusually for a Marxist, I'm not a big reader. I don't think this would qualify as a Bukharin for beginners but I can't recommend Stephen F. Cohen's bio highly enough. It is elegantly written and politically informed, in its way as good as Deutscher's biography of Trotsky. Unfortunately, it was Bukharin's NEP policy that led Cohen to embrace perestroika and then to become a Putinite. But as history and biography, his book is first-rate. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Interest in Bukharin's writing
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 17.01.2015 23:51, Jim Farmelant via Marxism wrote: Here is Hessen's paper. http://webfiles.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/rereadingClassics/Hessen.pdf/V1_Hessen.pdf This is a draft translation and is obviously in copyright under current international copyright agreements. Does anybody have any idea how to get in touch with the people involved so that we can get permission to put it in MIA. Einde O'callaghan _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
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POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * check the Routledge reprint (search in amazon and you'll see previews, use the print version not kindle) -- Original Message -- From: Einde O'Callaghan via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: acpolla...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Marxism] Interest in Bukharin's writing Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 13:20:12 +0100 POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 17.01.2015 23:51, Jim Farmelant via Marxism wrote: Here is Hessen's paper. http://webfiles.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/rereadingClassics/Hessen.pdf/V1_Hessen.pdf This is a draft translation and is obviously in copyright under current international copyright agreements. Does anybody have any idea how to get in touch with the people involved so that we can get permission to put it in MIA. Einde O'callaghan _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/acpollack2%40gmail.com Skin Tightening For Men Effective skin tightening treatment reduces look of fine lines at home http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/54bbc45ac2ce1445a202fst02duc _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
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POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Doug Greene's lecture, Bukharin: Favorite of the Whole Party might be of interest to you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma2If4rtp8w Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant http://www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math -- Original Message -- From: jasmine via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Jim Farmelant farmela...@juno.com Subject: [Marxism] Interest in Bukharin's writing Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 20:34:21 + POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I am currently taking notes on Bukharin's interesting, 1930s work: Science at the Crossroads. This was Bukharin's presentation, with the other delegates from the USSR, on Science; the document was presented to the International Congress of the History of Science and Technology. Th What's your flood risk? Find flood maps, interactive tools, FAQs, and agents in your area. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/54bae8c42c64468c422d4st03vuc _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Interest in Bukharin's writing
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Bukharin's English-language archive is here: http://marxists.org/archive/bukharin/library.htm Most of Science at the Crossroads is here: http://www.marxists.org/subject/science/ I say most because it doesn't include Hessen's landmark study, which really must be rectified!!! Anyway if your collective study of Bukharin yields new items to be posted that would be great (even though I'm a vehemently anti-Bukharin Trotskyist). On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 3:34 PM, jasmine via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I am currently taking notes on Bukharin's interesting, 1930s work: Science at the Crossroads. This was Bukharin's presentation, with the other delegates from the USSR, on Science; the document was presented to the International Congress of the History of Science and Technology. The above mentioned title does take some time and effort to unravel and penetrate esp., considering the historical developments that have taken place in science since the 1930s. Lenin lauded Bukharin as a theoreticians of excellence, not without reason. To this day the talents of Bukharin are not acknowledged, nor fully realised, neither have they been fully understood. Bukharin's Marxism does critique -the absolutist and Bonapartist aspects of Stalinism. Though Bukharin's strong expression is subte and oft not worth the trouble -to the general reader. One is bound to consider the context when reading any of Bukharin's writing. His ideas are subtly spun in a context (the post-civil war, consolidation of Stalinism, Totskyism, the rising of Fascism and a depressed global Capitalism of that time). Many would contend that these factors are similar to our own i.e., considering the similarity with our current historical condition. Any reading has a backdrop of Bukharin's fall, His notorious show trial, the historical distortions put this promising Marxist, either as an enemy of the Socialism, painted as an inconsequential Stalinist. However a basic reading always traps the reader, as such an approach obscures Bukharin's unique and original Marxist position. He is obscured in the conventions and distorted reproductions of the central committee and others enemies; all with a particular general line. A more serious study is needed i.e., towards relooking at this figure; such a study would bring much new thoughts on many new topics. I find Bukharin's angle on theory and practice offers up a critique on each and every hegemon (evident in Gramsci's work) and hence Stalinism. The works of Bukharin need to be expanded upon to clarify his teachings within the limits caused by the consolidation and cementing of a new type of absolutism (Stalinism). All of Bukharin's work have a distinct identity, esp., within the Marxist corpus; the works do provide a lot of depth, an analysis with a wonderful emphasis on the validity of sociology, the Historico-materialist slant. With some effort the text even breaks out and clearly critiques its stultified Stalinist (the general line of a quasi police state). However Science at the Crossroads, like Frederick Engel's Dialectics of Nature, takes time to reinterpret; both where written in different historical conditions i.e., before many of today's scientific concepts came about. Despite this the underlying framework holds ground and can be built upon. There is a essential Marxist kernel that remain, forever i.e., for as long a particular (hegemonic) scientific interest poses and is claimed as an absolute form (cloaked in whatever fancy dress). Science is held up (o be linked to the production process, thereby the claim of discoveries as private property i.e., and the reader can consider various interests (prison, military industrial complex c.) The work can be a tool to look upon the current condition of Science. It takes time to work through; and esp., to see the work as a Marxist critique of Stalin's bureaucratic state. The figure of Bukharin is blurred, as was Marxism; he has become a historical distortion. But his works have an interesting Marxist orientation, they give readers a means to materialise and touch and realize the potential in Bukharin's ideas, which made this friendly man to be such a threat. My interest in his work has led me to try to get hold of a digital version of any of his
Re: [Marxism] Interest in Bukharin's writing
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Here is Hessen's paper. http://webfiles.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/rereadingClassics/Hessen.pdf/V1_Hessen.pdf Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant http://www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math -- Original Message -- From: Andrew Pollack via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Marxism] Interest in Bukharin's writing Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 16:05:32 -0500 Bukharin's English-language archive is here: http://marxists.org/archive/bukharin/library.htm Most of Science at the Crossroads is here: http://www.marxists.org/subject/science/ I say most because it doesn't include Hessen's landmark study, which really must be rectified!!! Anyway if your collective study of Bukharin yields new items to be posted that would be great (even though I'm a vehemently anti-Bukharin Trotskyist). On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 3:34 PM, jasmine via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I am currently taking notes on Bukharin's interesting, 1930s work: Science at the Crossroads. This was Bukharin's presentation, with the other delegates from the USSR, on Science; the document was presented to the International Congress of the History of Science and Technology. The above mentioned title does take some time and effort to unravel and penetrate esp., considering the historical developments that have taken place in science since the 1930s. Lenin lauded Bukharin as a theoreticians of excellence, not without reason. To this day the talents of Bukharin are not acknowledged, nor fully realised, neither have they been fully understood. Bukharin's Marxism does critique -the absolutist and Bonapartist aspects of Stalinism. Though Bukharin's strong expression is subte and oft not worth the trouble -to the general reader. One is bound to consider the context when reading any of Bukharin's writing. His ideas are subtly spun in a context (the post-civil war, consolidation of Stalinism, Totskyism, the rising of Fascism and a depressed global Capitalism of that time). Many would contend that these factors are similar to our own i.e., considering the similarity with our current historical condition. Any reading has a backdrop of Bukharin's fall, His notorious show trial, the historical distortions put this promising Marxist, either as an enemy of the Socialism, painted as an inconsequential Stalinist. However a basic reading always traps the reader, as such an approach obscures Bukharin's unique and original Marxist position. He is obscured in the conventions and distorted reproductions of the central committee and others enemies; all with a particular general line. A more serious study is needed i.e., towards relooking at this figure; such a study would bring much new thoughts on many new topics. I find Bukharin's angle on theory and practice offers up a critique on each and every hegemon (evident in Gramsci's work) and hence Stalinism. The works of Bukharin need to be expanded upon to clarify his teachings within the limits caused by the consolidation and cementing of a new type of absolutism (Stalinism). All of Bukharin's work have a distinct identity, esp., within the Marxist corpus; the works do provide a lot of depth, an analysis with a wonderful emphasis on the validity of sociology, the Historico-materialist slant. With some effort the text even breaks out and clearly critiques its stultified Stalinist (the general line of a quasi police state). However Science at the Crossroads, like Frederick Engel's Dialectics of Nature, takes time to reinterpret; both where written in different historical conditions i.e., before many of today's scientific concepts came about. Despite this the underlying framework holds ground and can be built upon. There is a essential Marxist kernel that remain, forever i.e., for as long a particular (hegemonic) scientific interest poses and is claimed as an absolute form (cloaked in whatever fancy dress). Science is held up (o be linked to the production process, thereby the claim of discoveries as private property i.e., and the reader can consider various interests (prison, military industrial complex c.) The work can be a tool to look upon the current condition of Science. It takes time to work through; and esp., to see the work as a Marxist critique of Stalin's
Re: [Marxism] Interest in Bukharin's writing
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Dave and Einde, can someone put it on the Crossroads page?
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From: Andrew Pollack via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Interest in Bukharin's writing
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 16:05:32 -0500
Bukharin's English-language archive is here:
http://marxists.org/archive/bukharin/library.htm
Most of Science at the Crossroads is here:
http://www.marxists.org/subject/science/
I say most because it doesn't include Hessen's landmark study, which really
must be rectified!!!
Anyway if your collective study of Bukharin yields new items to be posted
that would be great (even though I'm a vehemently anti-Bukharin
Trotskyist).
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 3:34 PM, jasmine via Marxism
marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote:
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I am currently taking notes on Bukharin's interesting, 1930s work:
Science
at the Crossroads. This was Bukharin's presentation, with the other
delegates from the USSR, on Science; the document was presented to the
International Congress of the History of Science and Technology.
The above mentioned title does take some time and effort to unravel and
penetrate esp., considering the historical developments that have taken
place in science since the 1930s. Lenin lauded Bukharin as a
theoreticians
of excellence, not without reason.
To this day the talents of Bukharin are not acknowledged, nor fully
realised, neither have they been fully understood.
Bukharin's Marxism does critique -the absolutist and Bonapartist aspects
of Stalinism. Though Bukharin's strong expression is subte and oft not
worth the trouble -to the general reader.
One is bound to consider the context when reading any of Bukharin's
writing. His ideas are subtly spun in a context (the post-civil war,
consolidation of Stalinism, Totskyism, the rising of Fascism and a
depressed global Capitalism of that time). Many would contend that these
factors are similar to our own i.e., considering the similarity with our
current historical condition.
Any reading has a backdrop of Bukharin's fall, His notorious show trial,
the historical distortions put this promising Marxist, either as an enemy
of the Socialism, painted as an inconsequential Stalinist.
However a basic reading always traps the reader, as such an approach
obscures Bukharin's unique and original Marxist position. He is obscured
in
the conventions and distorted reproductions of the central committee and
others enemies; all with a particular general line.
A more serious study is needed i.e., towards relooking at this figure;
such a study would bring much new thoughts on many new topics. I find
Bukharin's angle on theory and practice offers up a critique on each and
every hegemon (evident in Gramsci's work) and hence Stalinism.
The works of Bukharin need to be expanded upon to clarify his teachings
within the limits caused by the consolidation and cementing of a new type
of absolutism (Stalinism).
All of Bukharin's work have a distinct identity, esp., within the Marxist
corpus; the works do provide a lot of depth, an analysis with a wonderful
emphasis on the validity of sociology, the Historico-materialist slant.
With some effort the text even breaks out and clearly critiques its
stultified Stalinist (the general line of a quasi police state).
However Science at the Crossroads, like Frederick Engel's Dialectics of
Nature, takes time to reinterpret; both where written in different
historical conditions i.e., before many of today's scientific concepts
came
about. Despite this the underlying framework holds ground and can be
built
upon
Re: [Marxism] Interest in Bukharin's writing
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