Re: [Marxism] Why the Assad regime attacks the SDF
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 6/22/17 10:07 PM, Nick Fredman wrote: Maybe you should move on from sound bites from dated Saleh Muslim interviews, and look at detailed and credible reports at what they're doing, such the Revolution in Rojava book. You might even learn something. Because I support Rojava. I also support Cuba and Venezuela but am appalled by what their media have been saying about Syria and have made that clear over the past 6 years. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why the Assad regime attacks the SDF
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Maybe you should move on from sound bites from dated Saleh Muslim interviews, and look at detailed and credible reports at what they're doing, such the Revolution in Rojava book. You might even learn something. On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > On 6/22/17 8:33 PM, Chris Slee wrote: > >> >> The reference to two million deaths was exaggerated, but Muslim was >> trying to highlight the danger of a massacre in the event of a military >> victory by the rebels. >> > > Yeah, yeah. And so how would you spin this? > > > "Syrian Regime has chemical weapons but Assad is not that stupid to use > them while UN’s experts of chemical weapons are just 5 km away from > Damascus. Assad considers himself as the part who won the internal war. > That is why I have concerns about the claims that he used chemical > weapons", Muslim said and remarked that the attack was aimed at framing > Assad and provoking an international reaction. > > http://ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2013/8/syriakurd878.htm > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/opt > ions/marxism/nick.j.fredman%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why the Assad regime attacks the SDF
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 6/22/17 8:33 PM, Chris Slee wrote: The reference to two million deaths was exaggerated, but Muslim was trying to highlight the danger of a massacre in the event of a military victory by the rebels. Yeah, yeah. And so how would you spin this? "Syrian Regime has chemical weapons but Assad is not that stupid to use them while UN’s experts of chemical weapons are just 5 km away from Damascus. Assad considers himself as the part who won the internal war. That is why I have concerns about the claims that he used chemical weapons", Muslim said and remarked that the attack was aimed at framing Assad and provoking an international reaction. http://ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2013/8/syriakurd878.htm _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why the Assad regime attacks the SDF
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The Saleh Muslim quote comes from a 2013 interview. My interpretation is that he was arguing for peace negotiations in which Assad would participate. Saleh Muslim was arguing that Assad's participation was necessary because he had the support of the Alawis. The reference to two million deaths was exaggerated, but Muslim was trying to highlight the danger of a massacre in the event of a military victory by the rebels. We should remember that the rebels included highly sectarian groups such as Jabhat al-Nusra, as well as other people who understandably wanted revenge. Chris Slee From: Marxism <marxism-boun...@lists.csbs.utah.edu> on behalf of Louis Proyect via Marxism <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> Sent: Friday, 23 June 2017 8:32:33 AM To: Chris Slee Subject: Re: [Marxism] Why the Assad regime attacks the SDF POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 6/22/17 6:23 PM, Nick Fredman wrote: > Then they could make a pristine revolution with no compromises and > agreements with anyone, just like the Bolsheviks. Who is talking about a pristine revolution? I am talking about Saleh Muslim saying that “A solution without Assad means the death of 2 million Alawites." Awful. Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/politics/2013/10/syria-kurds-assad-solution-salih-muslim.html _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/chris_w_slee%40hotmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why the Assad regime attacks the SDF
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 6/22/17 6:23 PM, Nick Fredman wrote: Then they could make a pristine revolution with no compromises and agreements with anyone, just like the Bolsheviks. Who is talking about a pristine revolution? I am talking about Saleh Muslim saying that “A solution without Assad means the death of 2 million Alawites." Awful. Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/politics/2013/10/syria-kurds-assad-solution-salih-muslim.html _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why the Assad regime attacks the SDF
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Yeah if only they'd listened more to revolutionaries in Manhattan with experience of oraganising a society of 4 million people half of whom are recent refugees and of guerilla war, then they'd actually know Assad and imperialists couldn't be trusted, because they had absolutely no idea before (I mean, they might have said it a million or so times, but that's easy to ignore). Then they could make a pristine revolution with no compromises and agreements with anyone, just like the Bolsheviks. Justified sarcasm aside, one can only seriously say this with considerable ignorance of the actual nature of the hostile if sometimes truce-like nature of the relationship between Assad and the Rojava revolution, and general ignorance of the nature of irregular civil war in failed states. "Oooh, Assad still pays the teachers in Rojava", a number of people have excitedly exclaimed. Yeah he does, just like he always did in a number of rebel-held areas. On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 at 7:42 am, Louis Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > On 6/22/17 5:15 PM, Chris Slee via Marxism wrote: > > > > The regime wants to eventually regain control of the whole country. > Having recaptured eastern Aleppo, it wants to expand its territory > further. But the growing strength of the SDF makes it an obstacle. If the > SDF succeeds in liberating Raqqa, it will become even stronger, and more of > an obstacle to Assad's plans. > > All this was predictable. The Kurds tend to make unprincipled > combinations that bite them in the ass in the long run. > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/nick.j.fredman%40gmail.com > On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 at 7:42 am, Louis Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > On 6/22/17 5:15 PM, Chris Slee via Marxism wrote: > > > > The regime wants to eventually regain control of the whole country. > Having recaptured eastern Aleppo, it wants to expand its territory > further. But the growing strength of the SDF makes it an obstacle. If the > SDF succeeds in liberating Raqqa, it will become even stronger, and more of > an obstacle to Assad's plans. > > All this was predictable. The Kurds tend to make unprincipled > combinations that bite them in the ass in the long run. > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/nick.j.fredman%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why the Assad regime attacks the SDF
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 6/22/17 5:15 PM, Chris Slee via Marxism wrote: The regime wants to eventually regain control of the whole country. Having recaptured eastern Aleppo, it wants to expand its territory further. But the growing strength of the SDF makes it an obstacle. If the SDF succeeds in liberating Raqqa, it will become even stronger, and more of an obstacle to Assad's plans. All this was predictable. The Kurds tend to make unprincipled combinations that bite them in the ass in the long run. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
