Re: [Marxism] party of the left and historical materialism

2020-02-07 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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On 2/7/20 8:18 PM, John Reimann via Marxism wrote:

As far as Hawkins belonging to a wing of the Grreens that included Bruce
Dixon: Dixon and his Black Agenda Report were (BAR still is) one of the
very worst of the horrible Assadists.


So what? Those ideas did not seep into the Green Party. Even Ajamu 
Baraka, Jill Stein's running-mate, said virtually nothing about Syria as 
a GP candidate.


Our tasks are national in character. As long as there is agreement on 
opposing fracking, a minimum wage of $20 or so, the right of transgender 
people to use a bathroom based on their identity, we can belong to the 
same party.


In fact, I find your positions on Venezuela and Nicaragua as odious as 
Bruce's on Syria but that would not prevent me from belonging to the 
same party as you.


When it comes to international issues, the litmus test should not be 
whether Maduro or Assad are bastards. It should be opposition to USA 
intervention. Both Bruce and I opposed American intervention in Syria 
but differed on the nature of the process there. The Trotskyist movement 
split into a thousand shards over how to characterize the Russian state. 
I still have a high regard for Trotsky's writings but I think the whole 
"scratch to gangrene" business needlessly Talmudic. When Max Schachtman 
became a State Department socialist, a split made sense. But did it make 
much difference in 1940 how surplus value was being generated in the USSR?

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Re: [Marxism] party of the left and historical materialism

2020-02-07 Thread John Reimann via Marxism
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As far as Hawkins belonging to a wing of the Grreens that included Bruce
Dixon: Dixon and his Black Agenda Report were (BAR still is) one of the
very worst of the horrible Assadists. And BAR still in effect promotes the
Republicans as being a lesser evil compared to the Democrats, which they
brand as “the” (not “a” but “the”) war party. Having these Assadists inside
the Green Party is certainly no recommendation.

As far as the class nature of the Greens: I don't think whether they have
workers in them or not is central. In my opinion, what is central is how a
party develops. A working class party will develop out of an upheaval of
the working class itself.

Louis raises the prospect of a layer of youth and workers turning to the
Greens after the next election. I had thought that could happen after the
last one so i started going to GP meetings here in Oakland. It didnt happen
and i am very skeptical it will happen in the future (although I accept
that its possible. If it does happen, though, i think the more class
conscious elements (and those who don't support Assad) will be met with
resistance all up and down the party.
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