Re: [marxmail] Signs point to PSUV collaboration in Maduro kidnapping
Faced with a naval blockade and the threat of further military aggression, perhaps on a much larger scale, the Venezuelan government may make further concessions to US imperialism. Instead of blaming Maduro and Flores for making concessions, we should be discussing how to build a solidarity movement strong enough to (in combination with other movements such as Palestine solidarity, anti-ICE, etc) challenge the Trump regime and US imperialism in general. Chris Slee From: [email protected] on behalf of Fred Fuentes via groups.io Sent: Thursday, 8 January 2026 10:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [marxmail] Signs point to PSUV collaboration in Maduro kidnapping Two bits of speculation surrounding the US assault on Venezuela and kidnapping of Nicolas Maduro and Cilia Flores that, IMO, are wrong: 1) US President Donald Trump did not install Maria Corina Machado (MCM) as president due to his anger at her being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize — in reality, evidence indicates that Trump had lost interest in MCM and Edmundo González Urrutia (EGU, the opposition candidate that the outgoing Biden government declared president-elect) long before this. From failing to invite them to his inauguration or having any subsequent meeting, through to choosing to send his special envoy, Richard Grenell, to meet with Maduro, it was clear Trump had sidelined MCM/EGU in his designs for Venezuela. There were several reasons for this: the lack of any organic links between Trump and the Venezuelan opposition (unlike those that existed with previous administrations or Marco Rubio); his belief they had misled him about their ability to overthrow Maduro during his first term; and, most importantly, his conclusion that only some kind of Madurista government could oversee the kind of project he wants while maintaining certain stability. That is why Trump never spoke about democracy as a pretext for the military build-up; it was always about US interests, whether fighting “narcotrafficking” or securing oil. This is also why, as I argued at the time, MCM's Nobel Peace Prize was not part of Trump’s strategy but rather an intervention by those who saw that he was seeking a transition that did not necessarily involve her. 2) Venezuelan vice-president (now acting president) sold out Maduro to Trump — beyond the lack of evidence to support this speculation, it misses the fact that there is much more continuity than discontinuity between the government headed by Maduro and the government headed by Delcy Rodríguez. For some time now, Maduro had been seeking a rapprochement with US imperialism. With Trump in power Madurismo thought this was on the cards, particularly after the meeting with Grenell. Amid the military build-up, the Venezuelan government felt that by offering up Venezuela’s resources it could avoid confront. However, at some point, for some reason, Trump decided Maduro himself had to go. Why this happened would be entering into speculation: did Rubio convince him? Did he feel he needed a trophy? Was he not happy with how negotiations were going? I do not know. But I do know that unity among the various factions within Madurismo has been key to it hold on power; any such betrayal would be a huge risk to its future. The risk of giving up Maduro in order to do what they already had offered up was that it would destroy this unity. That makes no sense for the point of view of preservation. The end result of these two things is that today Trump (still) has a government in Caracas willing to cut a deal, that can (still) provide the most stable transition possible, but understands it is in no position to negotiation. Moreover, its only ability to come out of this in some fighting shape is united. Given this, Trump is likely to want to completely humiliate the Rodríguez government at it forces it to submit to its every will. One argument I have made for a long time is that the US never preferred a “democratic transition” in Venezuela. This was in large part driven by the difficulties the opposition had in winning elections. In 2024, they overcame this difficultly only to not be able to overcome a second difficulty: turning that electoral majority into a social force capable of making that victory count and install EGU in power (another reason Trump distrusted MCM/EGU’s ability to rule). An unelected, unaccountable, transitional authority would better serve US interests, be able to rule without worrying about a democratic mandate, and implement all the policies that would be deeply unpopular at the ballot box. Such an authority would also be in a better position to crush resistance. Another argument I have made is that while US pressure never succeeded in forcing regime change in the traditional sense — removing Maduro and replacing him with the opposition — it had played its role in shifting the government's project away f
Re: [marxmail] Signs point to PSUV collaboration in Maduro kidnapping
Two bits of speculation surrounding the US assault on Venezuela and kidnapping of Nicolas Maduro and Cilia Flores that, IMO, are wrong: 1) US President Donald Trump did not install Maria Corina Machado (MCM) as president due to his anger at her being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize — in reality, evidence indicates that Trump had lost interest in MCM and Edmundo González Urrutia (EGU, the opposition candidate that the outgoing Biden government declared president-elect) long before this. From failing to invite them to his inauguration or having any subsequent meeting, through to choosing to send his special envoy, Richard Grenell, to meet with Maduro, it was clear Trump had sidelined MCM/EGU in his designs for Venezuela. There were several reasons for this: the lack of any organic links between Trump and the Venezuelan opposition (unlike those that existed with previous administrations or Marco Rubio); his belief they had misled him about their ability to overthrow Maduro during his first term; and, most importantly, his conclusion that only some kind of Madurista government could oversee the kind of project he wants while maintaining certain stability. That is why Trump never spoke about democracy as a pretext for the military build-up; it was always about US interests, whether fighting “narcotrafficking” or securing oil. This is also why, as I argued at the time, MCM's Nobel Peace Prize was not part of Trump’s strategy but rather an intervention by those who saw that he was seeking a transition that did not necessarily involve her. 2) Venezuelan vice-president (now acting president) sold out Maduro to Trump — beyond the lack of evidence to support this speculation, it misses the fact that there is much more continuity than discontinuity between the government headed by Maduro and the government headed by Delcy Rodríguez. For some time now, Maduro had been seeking a rapprochement with US imperialism. With Trump in power Madurismo thought this was on the cards, particularly after the meeting with Grenell. Amid the military build-up, the Venezuelan government felt that by offering up Venezuela’s resources it could avoid confront. However, at some point, for some reason, Trump decided Maduro himself had to go. Why this happened would be entering into speculation: did Rubio convince him? Did he feel he needed a trophy? Was he not happy with how negotiations were going? I do not know. But I do know that unity among the various factions within Madurismo has been key to it hold on power; any such betrayal would be a huge risk to its future. The risk of giving up Maduro in order to do what they already had offered up was that it would destroy this unity. That makes no sense for the point of view of preservation. The end result of these two things is that today Trump (still) has a government in Caracas willing to cut a deal, that can (still) provide the most stable transition possible, but understands it is in no position to negotiation. Moreover, its only ability to come out of this in some fighting shape is united. Given this, Trump is likely to want to completely humiliate the Rodríguez government at it forces it to submit to its every will. One argument I have made for a long time is that the US never preferred a “democratic transition” in Venezuela. This was in large part driven by the difficulties the opposition had in winning elections. In 2024, they overcame this difficultly only to not be able to overcome a second difficulty: turning that electoral majority into a social force capable of making that victory count and install EGU in power (another reason Trump distrusted MCM/EGU’s ability to rule). An unelected, unaccountable, transitional authority would better serve US interests, be able to rule without worrying about a democratic mandate, and implement all the policies that would be deeply unpopular at the ballot box. Such an authority would also be in a better position to crush resistance. Another argument I have made is that while US pressure never succeeded in forcing regime change in the traditional sense — removing Maduro and replacing him with the opposition — it had played its role in shifting the government's project away for an anti-imperialist and socialist horizon towards an authoritarian capitalist project based on accommodation to imperialism. What I failed to see was how these two things could come together to give us what we have today: a pro-US transitional authority controlled by Madurismo. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#40083): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/40083 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/117077942/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed
Re: [marxmail] Signs point to PSUV collaboration in Maduro kidnapping
On Tue, Jan 6, 2026 at 08:12 PM, Marv Gandall wrote: > > the central charge in the Moscow trials - that the Bukharin Right and > Trotsky Left Oppositions were colluding with the fascist powers. What > corroborating evidence is there the confessions obtained by Vyshinshinsky > were genuine? > > As usual, Gandall speaks without knowledge (if he is not witholding knowledge). Trotsky tripped himself up in public statements – it is not all confessions. But Gandall would have to read and try to rebut Khristian Rakovsky - Trotsky's Japanese Spy ( https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FSF5F9FG/ ). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#40059): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/40059 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/117077942/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [marxmail] Signs point to PSUV collaboration in Maduro kidnapping
Hi Hari, Thanks for your lengthy reply. I’ll address your summary points. *HK* : Most simplify the situation: "Stalin all bad - Trotsky all good." A more correct way of assessing their assessments is that they take a reductionist viewpoint and reduce all state events to "the fault of Stalin who was in charge of everything that happened in the State”. *MG* : Reductionism on both sides: “The difficulties faced by USSR in the 30’s mainly due to Trotskyite wreckers and splitters..." *HK* : This is being more and more challenged by bourgeois academics such as Arch Getty; Wm Chase; Sheila Fitzpatrick ; and even the somewhat vehemently anti-Stalin Stephen Kotkin. *MG* : However, neither Getty, Chase, Fitzpatrick, or Kotkin lend any credibility to the *central charge* in the Moscow trials - *that the Bukharin Right and Trotsky Left Oppositions were colluding with the fascist powers.* What corroborating evidence is there the confessions obtained by Vyshinshinsky were genuine? Bukharin’s wife and the surviving friends and relatives of many if not most of those liquidated or sent to forced labour camps have testified otherwise as have those who had access to the Soviet archives since the collapse of the USSR. The weight of the evidence is on their side. *HK* : To wind up - You have argued before to us all on the list that the 1917 revolution was born too early. Well if the nurseling state was premature it had as good an incubator as could be built for it then. And the catch-up to the West was remarkable, as was the eradication of illiteracy etc. True it "only lasted until 1953 " - that was a good deal longer than did the Paris Commune. *MG* : True enough. To be clear, what I argued before was that the world revolution began in far less propitious circumstances than was expected - in a peasant rather than industrial economy with a large organized and politically conscious working class. This left the Russian and the subsequent similar revolutions which overthrew capitalism vulnerable to bureaucratic control and the suppresion of workers' democracy. Nevertheless, in conditions of dual power and civil war, there was no middle way and had the Bolsheviks and the other Communist parties not taken power, they and the mass revolutionary uprisings which they led would have been drowned in blood. In other words, I didn't suggest it was wrong for them to have taken power; only that they were forced to take power in adverse circumstances. This objective factor - more than the subjective notion of “misleadership” - explains why they later adapted to or fully restored capitalism. *HK* : And as the expansion of the imperialist west into the post1953 Warsaw Pact dependencies; and the huge expansion of the Eurodollar and petrostates; and the technical leaps with computing - and I would argue now, with AI - made it clear there was life in the old bastard Capital yet. Of course at the cost of peoples well-being and the environment. . *MG* : Agreed. . *HK* : But - it remains to rebuild MLIst parties. Because frankly without them, we are f *MG* : Agreed also that a Leninist party was and would again be necessary to lead a revolutionary crisis to a successful conclusion, and I don’t see much harm in the small Leninist groups recruiting cadre in preparation for that eventuality. But given the current level of political consciousness of the most advanced workers (such as those supporting Mamdani),they have remained on the margins during our lifetime, Their isolation has give rise to debate about the appropriate mode of intervention by Marxists acting collectively in today’s mass organizations. That debate has replaced the old divisions between Stalinists and Trotskyists with adherents of both these older tendencies,as we've seen on this list, finding themselves aligned on either side of this more contemporary strategic discussion. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#40056): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/40056 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/117077942/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [marxmail] Signs point to PSUV collaboration in Maduro kidnapping
Hi Marv: Yes - thanks for re-pointing me to the Old Bolshevik aspects. I had said off-line to you that I was working on a lengthier article about Bukharin which I shall finish in due course - hopefully not too long away. So I will pass on that matter here, other than as it may crop up with some more general points being made in the below. I apologise for the length of this note, but I detest short tit-for-tatting with assertions and no references. So on this subject a somewhat longer note is merited I think. 1) On a general level, clearly it takes all sorts to make a revolution and many are needed. Not all will stay the course but whether they descend into espionage is another matter. But some did so, I consider. Maybe not all of them, but each personage requires separate figuring-out. 2) As you know - and as you have argued alongside the vast majority on the list (? >95%?)t is generally claimed by bourgeois writers today, and many Trotskyists follow them - that the testimonies at the trials were either fabricated or drug-induced or coerced or beaten. Much of this is convenient and dubious poppy-cock. As a physician I know of no drug that can do this. While fear of death may make for an attempt at 'plea-bargaining' - that only works for the first or perhaps victims #1-3. Moreover - I accept that many of those placed on the Moscow trials were prior trained in the party. Ipso-facto - most were robustly trained - and when confronted with evidence already disclosed in prior trails, or testimony did not readily lie. For example, the transcripts of interactions between Bukharin and his interrogators makes it very clear that Bukharin was neither frightened on the stand, nor arguing illogically, not refraining from detailed fencing against the court's arguments. The only personage that might challenge this overall framework - and I think that I have said so before - is Marshall Tukachevsky. There is evidence he was beaten in interrogations. There are more specific things to consider as below which means that I have still reserved my own judgement until further documents emerge. But: There was a *general* plot to defeat the USSR in a war ( https://www.marxists.org/archive/bland/1990/x01/german-soviet-non-aggression-pact-1939.pdf ) - and I think at the moment the Marshall T case can still be argued in 2 ways - either as: (i) A plot to smear Tukachevsky because to ensure that the USSR did away with him would reduce the USSR's self-defence - his innovations in the army were certainly profound; or (ii) Tukachevsky was very close to German army and indeed a traitor. I hope to address this more fully elsewhere not too far off. Bland had favoured (ii). Frankly I am in doubt and still reserve my judgment for now. While we are at it on the war - the 'theory' that Stalin was taken by surprise by the German invasion is another legend of poppy-cock standards. ( https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/periodicals/britain/compass/04-2000.pdf ) 3) It is of course true that the prevailing notions of most leftists remains the whole thing was a stage managed farce. Yet at the time, bourgeois foreign press attending during the court - found that things laid out by the State were credible and felt that there were serious plots. Dismissing USA Ambassador Joseph Davies testimony on the various trials is/was all too easy. But going for example, to the bourgeois expert wreckers trial ( Shakty Case ) - no significant doubts were expressed about the case - even: "“ Bukharin*, Rykov and Tomsky* … did not question the facts of the Shakhty affair”. Stephen F. Cohen: ‘Bukharin and the Bolshevik Revolution: A Political Biography: 1888-19381; London; 1974; p. 281)". . . . . . and foreign correspondents had this to say: "According to Eugene Lyons*, the Russian-born American journalist who attended the trial, the defendants presented "a sorry picture. Only by a violent stretch of the imagination could one cast these grovelling men in heroic roles, either as martyrs or as great conspirators. Guilty or innocent, they were men defeated, impotent, without a deep faith or hope for the future to sustain them. Not one of them had advanced any more exalted motive for spoiling machines or opposing the revolution than his own desire for more wealth. The group as a whole seemed to me a sad exhibition of what the age-old system of private greed does to its most devoted servants". (Eugene Lyons: op. cit.; p. 130, 131). Both cited at http://mlrg.online/history/the-shakty-case/ 4) The procedures/administration for investigation were however taken over by - hidden agents - including Yagoda and Yezhov. There is no reason to doubt that the secret service was taken over at high levels by conscious revisionists. It is forgotten generally that when later Beria was put in charge of the secret service thousands were released from the gulag camps. Amy Knight 's biography - as far as I know the acknowledged
Re: [marxmail] Signs point to PSUV collaboration in Maduro kidnapping
On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 09:24 AM, Marv Gandall wrote: > > *But the issue has always been whether the Old Bolsheviks were part of > this conspiracy* - dating as far back as 1918 when it was alleged that > Bukharin and Trotsky were plotting to assassinate Lenin! O.K. fine. Let's *assume* that the O.B. were part of the conspiracy from the get go. That suggests to me one of two things. Either the revolutionary career inevitably attracts a high proportion of unstable and deceitful personality types *OR* the political career, in general attracts those personality types and revolutionaries are no better than the rest. What is the take away for stable and honest people? Stay away from revolutionary politics and/or stay away from all politics. Yes, it is true that your comrades may stab you in the back. It is also true that you may stab them first as a precaution against them stabbing you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#40038): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/40038 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/117077942/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [marxmail] Signs point to PSUV collaboration in Maduro kidnapping
Thanks, Hari. Nice to see you back posting. Delcy Rodriguez's message aimed at the Trump administratin (above) is very conciliatory, ie. let's " work jointly on an agenda of cooperation aimed at shared development" - hardly an expression of resolve aimed at inspiring and mobilizing the base to resist further US incursions. Perhaps Rodriguez and other PSUV leaders are not "collaborators" as are Machado, Gonzales, and other opponents who want to dismantle the Bolivarian system and effectively turn Venezuela into a vassal state of the US. But they seem willing enough to bend the knee to Trump in order to retain power and at least some semblance of the Bolivarian reforms. Even if the US is wary of a ground invasion, it can still use its air power to inflict a lot of damage and my impression is that this is what the PSUV wants to avoid. Whether they can do so without adopting the full opposition program to mollify the Americans seems doubtful. Re: your drawing a parallel of "hidden counter-revolutionaries" in Venezuela with those which threatened Staln's regime in the USSR, I and others haven't at all disputed that there were indeed those at the top and bottom of Soviet society who wanted to restore capitalism with the assistance of outside powers. *But the issue has always been whether the Old Bolsheviks were part of this conspiracy* - dating as far back as 1918 when it was alleged that Bukharin and Trotsky were plotting to assassinate Lenin! See: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/39850 ( https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/39850 ) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#40035): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/40035 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/117077942/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [marxmail] Signs point to PSUV collaboration in Maduro kidnapping
Below is the text of the October article from the Miami Herald. IMHO, the absence of any serious military resistance to the attack is a strong indication of some sort of deal. The Herald article says Maduro agreed to the negotiations between the VP Delcy Rodriguez (and her brother) and Rubio, Trump et al. via Qatar. If true, the deal could include Maduro (unlikely now IMHO), or Rodriguez et al. may have betrayed Maduro, or Rubio et al. may have betrayed the PSUV leaders. The PSUV has organized very large demonstrations against the kidnapping in Caracas and other cities and its leaders are issuing statements against the attack and in defense of Venezuelan sovereignty. If the whole PSUV leadership was in on the deal, most likely the Cubans and the Russians were, too. VENEZUELA Exclusive: Venezuelan leaders offered U.S. a path to stay in power without Maduro By Antonio María Delgado Updated October 16, 2025 11:01 AM Gift Article A handout photo released by Venezuela’s Presidency shows Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro (right) speaking with U.S. President Donald Trump’s special envoy, Richard Grenell, at the Miraflores Presidential Palace in Caracas on January 31, 2025. Presidencia de Venezuela A group of senior Venezuelan government officials, led by Vice President Delcy Rodríguez and her brother Jorge, who is president of the National Assembly, have quietly promoted a series of initiatives in recent months aimed at presenting themselves to Washington as a “more acceptable” alternative to Nicolás Maduro’s regime, according to people with direct knowledge of the talks. The proposals, funneled through intermediaries in Qatar, sought to persuade sectors of the U.S. government that a “Madurismo without Maduro” could enable a peaceful transition in Venezuela—preserving political stability without dismantling the ruling apparatus. According to the sources, Qatari mediators presented to the U.S. two formal proposals this year, one in April and another in September. Both outlined potential governing mechanisms without Maduro in power. In those scenarios, Delcy Rodríguez would serve as the institutional continuity figure, while retired Gen. Miguel Rodríguez Torres, who is currently in exile and is not related to the Rodriguez siblings, would head a transitional government. The central argument, the sources said, was that the Rodríguez siblings represent a “more palatable” version of so-called chavismo — the socialist ideology named for deceased leader Hugo Chávez — for Washington, since neither has been indicted on narcotrafficking charges by U.S. courts. However, former regime officials— whose accounts have been used by U.S. prosecutors in cases linked to the so-called Cartel of the Suns—have implicated both siblings in logistical support and money laundering operations. Sources told the Miami Herald the offers though Qatar were made with Maduro’s approval. Qatar as diplomatic, financial channel The contacts in Qatar reportedly intensified following the Trump administration’s tougher stance on Caracas, particularly after the U.S. military deployment in the Caribbean aimed at curbing drug trafficking and dismantling the Cartel of the Suns, which Washington directly links to Maduro. Qatar, which has close ties to the Venezuelan government and has been accused by U.S. officials of sheltering Venezuelan funds, played a key role as intermediary. All proposals were routed through its capital, Doha, where according to sources Delcy Rodríguez maintains “a significant relationship” with members of the Qatari royal family and hides part of her assets. During one meeting in Doha, a senior member of the royal family reportedly acknowledged acting as a bridge between Caracas and Washington on “intelligence and economic cooperation matters.” According to sources, the proposals were presented to the White House and the State Department by U.S. Special Envoy Richard Grenell, who earlier this year met with Maduro at the Miraflores Presidential Palace in Caracas and helped secure the release of several American citizens whom Washington considered wrongfully imprisoned by the regime. Grenell, who has been advising the administration to engage Maduro in negotiations to defuse the escalating diplomatic standoff, declined to comment for this story. The State Department did not respond to questions about the Venezuelan leaders’ offer. The ‘Cartel Lite’ formula Some sectors in the Trump administration interpreted the overtures as part of an informal strategy that became known as ‘Cartel Lite:’ a softened version of chavismo designed to allow a managed transition without an abrupt rupture and without dismantling the regime’s core structures. The April proposal called for Maduro to step down, remain in Venezuelan with guarantees for his safety, and negotiate an arrangement granting U.S. companies access to Venezuelan oil and mining industries. In exchange, it suggested that U.S. prosecutors drop criminal charges against Maduro. Under
Re: [marxmail] Signs point to PSUV collaboration in Maduro kidnapping
Hi Marv: Those who have no principled support of the revolution inside governments - betray the government. The revolutionary surge brings a lot of people forward, some who last some who do not. Same in the USSR - Same in Venezuela. The Vice-president - says the Miami Herald - was negotiating with trump for months. I believe this is entirely believable. I do not have a sub - but it allowed me here as below - says it will work for others but I am not sure... I got the reference via 'Tagespiegel which carried an article referencing this. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article312516272.html As I said first to David - and then essentially the same to Tom (although since I had missed some crucial words the link was not clear) - those who doubt that there were indeed hidden counter-revolutionaries of various shades (by no means were all the same) in the USSR, will not see some of the possible and yet essential lessons of the Bolivarian failure. Cheers, H -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#40033): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/40033 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/117077942/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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🫓 Delcy Rodríguez sends a message to the US: Message from Venezuela to the World and to the United States Venezuela reaffirms its commitment to peace and peaceful coexistence. Our country aspires to live without external threats, in an environment of respect and international cooperation. We believe that global peace is built first by guaranteeing the peace of each nation. We consider it a priority to move toward a balanced and respectful international relationship between the United States and Venezuela, and between Venezuela and the countries of the region, based on sovereign equality and non-interference. These principles guide our diplomacy with the rest of the world. We extend an invitation to the government of the United States to work jointly on an agenda of cooperation aimed at shared development, within the framework of international law, and to strengthen lasting communal coexistence. President Donald Trump: our peoples and our region deserve peace and dialogue, not war. This has always been the position of President Nicolás Maduro, and it is the position of all of Venezuela at this moment. This is the Venezuela I believe in, the one to which I have dedicated my life. My dream is for Venezuela to become a great power where all upright Venezuelan men and women can come together. Venezuela has the right to peace, development, sovereignty, and a future. Delcy Rodríguez, Caretaker President of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#40026): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/40026 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/117077942/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Alternatively, on second thought, it may not be a case of the PSUV leadership having actively or tacitly acquiesced in the kidnapping but of the Trump administratpn instead balking at putting boots on the ground and justifiying its hesitation by suggesting (or hoping) that the Hernandez government can be relied on to satisfy US interests. On va voir. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#40025): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/40025 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/117077942/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
