Re: [marxmail] Supreme Court Refuses to Allow Trump to Deploy National Guard in Chicago
> On Dec 26, 2025, at 14:12, Charles via groups.io > wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 26, 2025 at 04:11 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > in the so-called "sanctuary cities" where city, county or state policy is to > not allow local or state police to assist ICE. > New York City has a sanctuary law. These laws generally say the City cannot > assist ICE, such as by sharing information on a targeted victim, by releasing > a victim in jail custody to ICE, etc. The laws do not forbid police smashing > protests that make life a little difficult for ICE. That's what we see in > practice. Sanctuary-city police do not cooperate with ICE without violating sanctuary-city laws, which are laws that have been won through the efforts anti-ICE activists, as in my city: https://www.portland.gov/police/documents/immigration-faq/download. The efforts of these activists should be respected; they help to the extent that they can, but they cannot stop federal police from apprehending people. That said, this entire message is tangential to the topic of this thread and doesn't answer the questions I asked in my response to your previous posting, Charles. I hoped to solicit informed comments on troop deployment and not agitprop on the Democratic Party and their sanctuary cities. As far as the Trump strategy of getting troops in the streets, ICE was just a provocation, and there can be others. Besides, we have been unable to disrupt their ICE and CPB operations to date. > > For another example, Illinois. People protested at the ICE Broadview > Processing Center in Chicago on October 12, 2025. Illinois state troopers in > riot helmets and with bill clubs attacked them. And all the while, the > ultimate boss of the state troopers, Gov. Pritzker, protests in words against > ICE. How are the protests _at ICE locations_ stopping, slowing, or significantly disrupting ICE operations? What are the strategy and tactics for stopping ICE? The local police do not intervene in Portland demonstrations at the local ICE facility, but the facility continues to operate. The demonstrations managed to (1) redirect some detainees to Tacoma, farther from their support systems, and (2) give Trump a pretext for sending troops to the city. > > It is definitely the fact that Democratic officials deploy police to ensure > that ICE terror continues. You seem to think that there is a mass movement that would somehow stop or disrupt ICE operations if the local police did not repress local demonstrations front of ICE buildings. You don't say which demonstrations or explain how this strategy makes any difference to ICE operations. Mark -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#39889): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/39889 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/116950047/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [marxmail] Supreme Court Refuses to Allow Trump to Deploy National Guard in Chicago
On Fri, Dec 26, 2025 at 04:11 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > > in the so-called "sanctuary cities" where city, county or state policy is > to not allow local or state police to assist ICE. New York City has a sanctuary law. These laws generally say the City cannot assist ICE, such as by sharing information on a targeted victim, by releasing a victim in jail custody to ICE, etc. The laws do not forbid police smashing protests that make life a little difficult for ICE. That's what we see in practice. For another example, Illinois. People protested at the ICE Broadview Processing Center in Chicago on October 12, 2025. Illinois state troopers in riot helmets and with bill clubs attacked them. And all the while, the ultimate boss of the state troopers, Gov. Pritzker, protests in words against ICE. It is definitely the fact that Democratic officials deploy police to ensure that ICE terror continues. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#39884): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/39884 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/116950047/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [marxmail] Supreme Court Refuses to Allow Trump to Deploy National Guard in Chicago
The NYT article on the Supreme Court denying Trump permission to call up the National Guard to go to Chicago reports, "They [lower court judges] noted that federal facilities had remained open and that immigration arrests and deportations had continued at a rapid clip." ( https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/23/us/politics/supreme-court-national-guard-chicago.html) Why were fascist ICE arrests able to continue at a rapid clip? Reuters reports, "Lawyers for Illinois and Chicago told the justices that the local protests have 'never hindered the continued operation' of the Broadview facility, and that state and local authorities have responded to every request for assistance and contained any sporadic disruption." ( https://www.reuters.com/world/us-supreme-court-rejects-trumps-military-deployment-chicago-area-now-2025-12-23/ ( https://www.reuters.com/world/us-supreme-court-rejects-trumps-military-deployment-chicago-area-now-2025-12-23/ ) ) That is, while the Trump administration and local Democratic officials contend in court, the latter deploy police to make sure that ICE terror continues. In New York, for example, "Multiple people who were protesting possible Immigration and Customs Enforcement activity in Lower Manhattan were arrested Saturday, the New York Police Department said. The protesters were seen near Centre Street in Chinatown blocking vehicles and shouting, 'ICE out of New York,' according to video obtained by ABC News. At one point, the protesters were observed blocking a van from coming out of a garage..." ( https://abcnews.go.com/US/protesters-arrested-nyc-ice-related-activity-chinatown/story?id=127968220) Responding to these arrests, "Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani's transition team released a statement that reads, in part, 'The Mayor-elect has made it clear - including to the President - that these raids are cruel and inhumane, and fail to advance genuine public safety.'" ( https://abc7ny.com/post/multiple-people-arrested-during-anti-ice-demonstration-chinatown/18226817/) Mark advises, "We can only watch and hope the courts will stop a military takeover in US streets." Well, a little more than watch and hope. He goes on, "The socialist strategy is to organize all of the troops, and especially their families." Organize them on the grounds that the police will suppress mass protest? The choice between *demanding a return to ordinary capitalist repression* versus *organizing for socialist revolution* is no longer just a debate in small left circles. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#39880): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/39880 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/116950047/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
