Re: [matplotlib-devel] MEP11: Attempting to deal with the Python library dependency issue

2012-10-04 Thread Michael Droettboom
On 10/04/2012 11:56 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Erik Bray wrote: >> So as you wrote in the MEP, Numpy will simply have to be installed >> separately, I think, if the C++ modules require the Numpy headers. > Which is totally fine -- MPL requires a bunch of non-python

Re: [matplotlib-devel] MEP11: Attempting to deal with the Python library dependency issue

2012-10-04 Thread Michael Droettboom
On 10/04/2012 06:16 AM, Thomas Kluyver wrote: > On 3 October 2012 22:08, Christoph Gohlke wrote: >> Concerning end user experience, the scipy-stack project seems like a >> better place to address this. > To expand on this, there's a discussion underway on the scipy-user and > numfocus mailing list

Re: [matplotlib-devel] MEP11: Attempting to deal with the Python library dependency issue

2012-10-04 Thread Michael Droettboom
On 10/03/2012 05:08 PM, Christoph Gohlke wrote: > On 10/3/2012 9:20 AM, Michael Droettboom wrote: >> I invite comments for a new MEP about improving the situation with >> respect to our bundling of third-party Python dependencies. >> >> In particular, I'd love feedback from the various stakeholders

Re: [matplotlib-devel] MEP11: Attempting to deal with the Python library dependency issue

2012-10-04 Thread todd rme
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Michael Droettboom wrote: > I invite comments for a new MEP about improving the situation with respect > to our bundling of third-party Python dependencies. > > In particular, I'd love feedback from the various stakeholders -- those > producing binary installers and

Re: [matplotlib-devel] MEP11: Attempting to deal with the Python library dependency issue

2012-10-04 Thread Chris Barker
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Erik Bray wrote: > So as you wrote in the MEP, Numpy will simply have to be installed > separately, I think, if the C++ modules require the Numpy headers. Which is totally fine -- MPL requires a bunch of non-python dependencies (OK, a few) anyway, so no matter how

Re: [matplotlib-devel] MEP11: Attempting to deal with the Python library dependency issue

2012-10-04 Thread Thomas Kluyver
On 3 October 2012 22:08, Christoph Gohlke wrote: > Concerning end user experience, the scipy-stack project seems like a > better place to address this. To expand on this, there's a discussion underway on the scipy-user and numfocus mailing lists about standardising a set of packages making up the

Re: [matplotlib-devel] MEP11: Attempting to deal with the Python library dependency issue

2012-10-03 Thread Erik Bray
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Michael Droettboom wrote: > On 10/03/2012 05:26 PM, Erik Bray wrote: >> On 10/03/2012 12:20 PM, Michael Droettboom wrote: >>> I invite comments for a new MEP about improving the situation with >>> respect to our bundling of third-party Python dependencies. >>> >>> I

Re: [matplotlib-devel] MEP11: Attempting to deal with the Python library dependency issue

2012-10-03 Thread Michael Droettboom
On 10/03/2012 05:26 PM, Erik Bray wrote: > On 10/03/2012 12:20 PM, Michael Droettboom wrote: >> I invite comments for a new MEP about improving the situation with >> respect to our bundling of third-party Python dependencies. >> >> In particular, I'd love feedback from the various stakeholders -- t

Re: [matplotlib-devel] MEP11: Attempting to deal with the Python library dependency issue

2012-10-03 Thread Damon McDougall
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Christoph Gohlke wrote: > On 10/3/2012 9:20 AM, Michael Droettboom wrote: >> I invite comments for a new MEP about improving the situation with >> respect to our bundling of third-party Python dependencies. >> >> In particular, I'd love feedback from the various st

Re: [matplotlib-devel] MEP11: Attempting to deal with the Python library dependency issue

2012-10-03 Thread Chris Barker
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Christoph Gohlke wrote: A bunch of great stuff: +1 all around Another use-case is py2exe, py2app, and friends -- at the moment, you pretty much have to include the whole dang MPL package to get things to work. Cleaning up some of these dependencies could improve

Re: [matplotlib-devel] MEP11: Attempting to deal with the Python library dependency issue

2012-10-03 Thread Christoph Gohlke
On 10/3/2012 9:20 AM, Michael Droettboom wrote: > I invite comments for a new MEP about improving the situation with > respect to our bundling of third-party Python dependencies. > > In particular, I'd love feedback from the various stakeholders -- those > producing binary installers and packages f

[matplotlib-devel] MEP11: Attempting to deal with the Python library dependency issue

2012-10-03 Thread Michael Droettboom
I invite comments for a new MEP about improving the situation with respect to our bundling of third-party Python dependencies. In particular, I'd love feedback from the various stakeholders -- those producing binary installers and packages for the various platforms. https://github.com/matplot