Re: My experience with current'ish git

2009-06-29 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Monday 29 June 2009 17:20, Slava Zanko wrote:
> Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> > Caring for users' bug reports and bugs in bugzilla is not a very
> > inspiring work, but if you do it regularly, you are taking
> > an "invisible" advantage of the work users already did before
> > they wrote an email/bug report: *they diagnosed a problem for you*.
> > You do not need to do it by now.
> 
> At now, too much open bugs and feature request. Some bugs very old, some
> bugs we have added themselves... Very hard to balance before priority of
> bugs. For one man bug very critical, for others - not important...

I usually prioritize so that I fix easy bugs,
ask for more info in bugs with unclear description,
explain what user did wrong in non-bugs,
let user know when I can't reproduce a bug.
When no more info comes from user for these cases,
I close the bug in a month or so.

This way, only harder bug remain in the bugzilla.
So it stays manageable.


It's ok when you have many bugs. It may take some time before you
will be able to fix bugs faster than they appear. For some complex
projects like compiler or web browser, it's nearly impossible :)

What is wrong is when a project stops treating bugzilla as
a TODO list, stops trying to shrink it and starts to see it
as an endless supply of user's whining.


> Relative to us, is this mean, that we need to write comment in any case
> into new bugreport?

Yes, this is useful. Do not leave a fresh bug with no comments for months.


> > Don't know how useful above mumblings are... those are just my t
> > houghts 
> > about ways to be a successful project.
> 
> Denys, big thanks for you help. Our work (development of mc) looks not
> good from other side, I'm understand it :(.

I do not imply that you are not doing maintainer's work good enough.
So far it looks ok.

For example, search dialog now matches old version regarding
keyboard navigation. Someone fixed a bug I whined about! Thanks! :)

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Re: My experience with current'ish git

2009-06-29 Thread Slava Zanko
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Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> I will try to help, at least by reporting bugs.
> Currently, I have 5 bugs reported total. One is already fixed:
> #1386 editor: F7 search does not remember last search string across
> editing sessions

We want to remove all static variables (file-scope visibility). May be,
this helps in future with running many editors at one time. New behavior
of F7-search it's a side effect. I think, need to show latest item from
field history...

> These are open:
> #414  Regression: shell patterns in copy dialog do not work
It's easy to fix and will fidex in near time.

> #1384 Whitespace highlighting should be optional
Fedora package of mc have patch for it... not hard too.

> #1385 File search dialog is more difficult to use compared to 4.6.1
Need to discuss with andrew_b :)

> Any open-source project requires not only technical skill, but also
> some social skills. Projects fail when they are closed-minded, where
> developers assume "I'm the boss - you are the idiot" mentality.

We also think this. Please, don't  think that we no much write comments
in trac because of the arrogance. No-no, this is because of our poor
English (this right to me). :(


> Indirectly, they bring you an important thing:
> they do debugging for you in various scenarios you personally
> never use.

Of course. And IMHO it's very important.

> Caring for users' bug reports and bugs in bugzilla is not a very
> inspiring work, but if you do it regularly, you are taking
> an "invisible" advantage of the work users already did before
> they wrote an email/bug report: *they diagnosed a problem for you*.
> You do not need to do it by now.

At now, too much open bugs and feature request. Some bugs very old, some
bugs we have added themselves... Very hard to balance before priority of
bugs. For one man bug very critical, for others - not important...

> And also you show users that their efforts are not wasted.
> It's very frustrating to spend days creating a bug report
> for a project, only to see it staying open for months/years,
> with not a single comment from developers...
> Don't let your users feel this way.

I know it situation :) My patch for GitPlugin of trac
(http://trac-hacks.org/attachment/ticket/5310/python24.2.patch) awaiting
now too. I have a short time to waiting, but constantly look for
activity in the ticket. :)

Relative to us, is this mean, that we need to write comment in any case
into new bugreport?

> Don't know how useful above mumblings are... those are just my thoughts
> about ways to be a successful project.

Denys, big thanks for you help. Our work (development of mc) looks not
good from other side, I'm understand it :(. Because lot of questions we
have discussed at online in jabber-room (usually, Russian-speak
jabber-room). Link to room you may found at
http://www.midnight-commander.org/wiki/ru/WikiStart#%D0%9E%D0%BD%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BD-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%84%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8

This is the reason why mc develops so quickly ... and the reason that
the development looks as 'close' from other side :(


WBR, Slavaz.


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