Re: Re[2]: Further Midnight Commander development

2009-02-21 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Miguel de Icaza mig...@novell.com schrieb:

 I agree with Pavel here.   mc-dev has been for the most part dormant,  
 and some terrible decisions (like that whole mhl fiasco) could have  
 been avoided.

I wouldn't call it fascio, rather a good lection that even the
OSS world isn't free of people who press quasi-religous cruft and 
their own vanity over technical issues and resist against any 
attempt for a rational discussion.

For a bunch of weeks we've formed a new, heavily motivated team,
fixed a lot of ancient bugs, added lots of good patches floating 
around on other places for years and were working on several 
interesting features. In these few weeks we had a really active
and motivated community with an very open and friendly climate.

It was *YOU* destroyed that by climbing out of your deep dark tomb
and behaving like the old king coming back which everyone has to 
submit to. It was you caused a lot of wasting resources (not just
computer's but also human's) for your personal crusade against 
a lot of things we've done so far, without even listening to reasons 
why we did this, not because you had the slightest technical argument,
but just because it didn't happen under your command.

And that is exactly the reason why I abondened and created my own
fork (*1) - as long as you are ruling here, I don't see the slightest
bit of common ground. (and BTW, this was one of the major reasons why 
I've removed all my branches from mc.o git: I dont support dictators).
 

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Re: Re[2]: Further Midnight Commander development

2009-02-21 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de schrieb:

oh, forgot the link ;-o

*1) git://git.metux.de/free-mc.git


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Re: Re[2]: Further Midnight Commander development

2009-02-21 Thread Miguel de Icaza

Hello,


It was *YOU* destroyed that by climbing out of your deep dark tomb
and behaving like the old king coming back which everyone has to
submit to. It was you caused a lot of wasting resources (not just
computer's but also human's) for your personal crusade against
a lot of things we've done so far, without even listening to reasons
why we did this, not because you had the slightest technical argument,
but just because it didn't happen under your command.


You are making a soap opera out of my only objection, which was the
dropping of glib under poor rationale.

I have not opposed any other patch, I have merely provided some
feedback on some patches that required tuning.


And that is exactly the reason why I abondened and created my own
fork (*1) - as long as you are ruling here, I don't see the slightest
bit of common ground. (and BTW, this was one of the major reasons why
I've removed all my branches from mc.o git: I dont support dictators).


Feel free to post the logs.   You basically threw a tantrum when things
did not go the way you wanted.

Miguel.

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Re: Re[2]: Further Midnight Commander development

2009-02-21 Thread Miguel de Icaza


*1) git://git.metux.de/free-mc.git


Thanks for the link.   I guess we can go and pick any
good changes from there and merge them into mc now.

Miguel.
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Re: Re[2]: Further Midnight Commander development

2009-02-16 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Pavel Tsekov ptse...@gmx.net wrote:
 Hello Denys,

 Monday, February 16, 2009, 3:15:45 PM, you wrote:

 On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Pavel Tsekov ptse...@gmx.net wrote:
 You might not be aware but I am (still) one of the two official MC
 maintainers.

 De jure, maybe you are. De facto, the project is an orphan.

 How many more times do I need to submit my patches
 to get your attention?

 If I am not mistaken most of your patches were incomplete  and you
 wouldn't bother to fix them.

Oh really. I just checked.

http://mlblog.osdir.com/gnome.apps.mc.general/2004-10/index.shtml
http://www.mail-archive.com/mc-devel@gnome.org/msg05103.html

24/10/2004 - I posted the patch for the 1st time
sometime later - I added it to bug database as well
07/11/2005 - patch was rediscovered and an active discussion started
(which means there was more than one reply per year)
12/08/2006 - patch got applied

By this time, of course, I didn't track the fate of the patch.

THREE YEARS for a teensy patch like this???!!

http://mlblog.osdir.com/gnome.apps.mc.general/2004-10/txt4mW4MB9qlO.txt

You are glacial.


Another patch, which I posted more than once, and this one
is not applied:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mc-devel@gnome.org/msg05526.html

You didn't even have any objections. You just dropped the ball.

You know, I have more interesting things to do in this life
than spending three more years getting it applied.
Especially that it is a bit bigger, who knows, maybe
I'm being optimistic about three years here...

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Re: Re[2]: Further Midnight Commander development

2009-02-16 Thread Yury V. Zaytsev
Hi Denys,

Would you please cool down a little bit? Don't you think we can resolve
this peacefully w/o further mutual accusations, don't we? I think that
both parties will benefit from this... It's crystal clear that current
development model desperately needs a change. But Pavel has some valid
points too. Let's cooperate. 

When I saw Pavel Roskin gone it made me sad. We owe him a lot. Behaving
like Enrico won't help to get the problems solved but rather make them
unsolvable. OK?

Thank you for your understanding.
 
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Re: Re[2]: Further Midnight Commander development

2009-02-16 Thread Miguel de Icaza



Hello,


I am not really unavailable. In fact if someone bothered to ping me
personally I would have noticed immediately. The list traffic was
stalled for quite some time and I haven't been reading it on a regular
basis for a while so I missed the interesting part.


I agree with Pavel here.   mc-dev has been for the most part dormant,  
and some terrible decisions (like that whole mhl fiasco) could have  
been avoided.



Anyway, I am making making my way trough the mailing list volume for
the last two months. I would not like to comment before I have gone
trough all threads but some threads caught my attention already -
search for  mhl Does it feel familiar, is it what MC really
needs ? Is this someone's excercise ?


Luckily that mhl thing got nuked.
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