[MCN-L] IP SIG, et al.: Happy Public Domain Day
It seems that yesterday was Public Domain Day: http://www.copyrightwatch.ca/ It's January 1st, the day on which the calendar rolls over, and with it, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of books, articles, photographs, works of art, unpublished documents, and other works, in all areas of human endeavour, fall out of copyright to become the common cultural property of all citizens of a given country...
[MCN-L] mcn-l Digest, Vol 14, Issue 2
Tom, Ari... thanks. Tom, the site has a rudimentary CMS but most of the email addresses come from sources other than the website class registrations, ecommerce, on-site signups etc. The daunting task is consolidating all of these and eliminating duplicates. Ari, I'll look into RE further... after your comment, I've re-thought about reinventing the wheel all over again (as a former boss always put it). I'd like to have richer info, but mostly we just have name email address for the majority of existing records. Thanks to all, have a great New Year. Patrick mcn-l-request at mcn.edu wrote: Send mcn-l mailing list submissions to mcn-l at mcn.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mcn-l-request at mcn.edu You can reach the person managing the list at mcn-l-owner at mcn.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of mcn-l digest... Today's Topics: 1. collecting, consolidating and managing email addresses from patrons (Patrick) 2. Re: collecting, consolidating and managing email addresses from patrons (Tom) 3. Re: collecting, consolidating and managing email addresses from patrons (Ari Davidow) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 08:57:43 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Subject: [MCN-L] collecting, consolidating and managing email addresses from patrons To: mcn-l at mcn.edu Message-ID: 79040.36081.qm at web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi folks, I've been tasked with putting together a plan for collecting, consolidating and managing email addresses from our patrons. We've implemented the more obvious collection points- web site, newsletter subscriptions, membership applications, e-commerce, etc.- but the challenge now is sorting through all these various email sources located in different places, matching them to existing email addresses, eliminating duplicates, cleaning the data, etc. We use parts of Raisers Edge to manage membership data but it sounds like overkill for this. I need to consolidate the various email address repositories, verify the data, eliminate any duplicates already in our membership database, and provide a means for editing/updating. Does anyone have any wisdom to share on this? Thanks in advance, and happy new year to all. Patrick Clancy Director of Information Technology The New York Botanical Garden __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:31:19 -0800 From: Tom Subject: Re: [MCN-L] collecting, consolidating and managing email addresses from patrons To: Museum Computer Network Listserv Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Patrick, Is your site based on a CMS or is it put together via various scripts tied into HTML pages? On Dec 29, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Patrick wrote: Hi folks, I've been tasked with putting together a plan for collecting, consolidating and managing email addresses from our patrons. We've implemented the more obvious collection points- web site, newsletter subscriptions, membership applications, e-commerce, etc.- but the challenge now is sorting through all these various email sources located in different places, matching them to existing email addresses, eliminating duplicates, cleaning the data, etc. We use parts of Raisers Edge to manage membership data but it sounds like overkill for this. I need to consolidate the various email address repositories, verify the data, eliminate any duplicates already in our membership database, and provide a means for editing/updating. Does anyone have any wisdom to share on this? Thanks in advance, and happy new year to all. Patrick Clancy Director of Information Technology The New York Botanical Garden __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l -- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:04:50 -0500 From: Ari Davidow Subject: Re: [MCN-L] collecting, consolidating and managing email addresses from patrons To: Museum Computer Network Listserv Message-ID: 747cfaf50612291004w20269b0bqd4bfa344e6093f2b at mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
[MCN-L] Folksonomy as Symbol
At 5:03 PM -0500 12/26/06, Mike Rippy wrote: Sounds like an agenda driven article. Mike Rippy Mike, I'm not sure what you mean by that evaluation... are you saying that's bad? Do you agree/disagree with the general point of the article? Just parts of the article? Does it miss the boat entirely? To me, it generally sounds like the author asserts that the idea behind folksonomies has existed before (which I agree with) and then wonders why this current iteration of the idea seems to have garnered so much attention. Sticking it to the man, emergence, and the value *what* tags are used rather than just amassing as many as possible are also themes that resonate for me. And finally suggesting that we shouldn't rely on folksonomies alone as a way to organize the world, seems a fair statement, although he doesn't go into any detail. What rubbed you the wrong way? -bw. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bruce Wyman, Director of New Technologies Denver Art Museum / 100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204 office: 720.913.0159 / fax: 720.913.0002 bwyman at denverartmuseum.org
[MCN-L] Digital Directions, June 10-12 Jacksonville, FL - Register Online Now!
ONLINE REGISTRATION Now Open! www.nedcc.org http://www.nedcc.org/ DIGITAL DIRECTIONS: Fundamentals of Creating and Managing Digital Collections The NEW School for Scanning June 10 - 12, 2008 Hyatt Regency Jacksonville Riverfront Jacksonville, Florida A conference presented by the Northeast Document Conservation Center Co-sponsored by SOLINET DIGITAL DIRECTIONS: Fundamentals of Creating and Managing Digital Collections is an updated version of NEDCC's School for Scanning, which was first presented in 1995. This popular conference has kept up with evolving standards and practices over the years, and the new name reflects its expanded content, which now encompasses the full life-cycle of digital objects, from planning to creation to sustainability. FOR COMPLETE CONFERENCE INFORMATION AND TO REGISTER ONLINE, go to: www.nedcc.org http://www.nedcc.org/ CONFERENCE COST: $625 REGISTRATION DEADLINE: Friday, May 16, 2008 DIGITAL DIRECTIONS VENDOR SHOWCASE: Meet the leading providers of digitization hardware, software, and services to libraries, museums, archives, and other cultural institutions. A great opportunity to ask questions and gather information about a wide range of digital services, new releases, and products currently under development. IF YOU ARE A VENDOR interested in exhibiting at Digital Directions, go to www.nedcc.org http://www.nedcc.org/ to download the Exhibitor Prospectus, or contact Julie Martin Carlson. jcarlson at nedcc.org.
[MCN-L] wikis
We've used Wikispaces (wikispaces.com) which is a $5/month subscription site. Plug and play, very easy - - especially for extranet-type deployments. We also set up an instance of jspwiki (jspwiki.org) at the Smithsonian American Art Museum for an Intranet. I think it's very successful. A much better model than the traditional top-down approach to intranets. The National Museum of the American Indian has put a lot of effort into a wiki component of their intranet built of off mediawiki and they seem very happy with it. Reporting high staff-acceptance rates. Erin Weinman is the point of contact there. I've seen a wiki project abandoned because the project manager didn't provide enough support/reinforcement for the members of the team who weren't so wiki-aware. A subsequent project is using basecamp (http://www.basecamphq.com/) successfully. Michael Edson Director, Web and New Media Strategy Smithsonian Institution, Office of the CIO edsonm at si.edu | 202-633-8447 -Original Message- From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Urban Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 11:51 AM To: Museum Computer Network Listserv Subject: Re: [MCN-L] wikis Hi Diane, I've been using wikis as part of various grant projects for the last several years and can say that they have been an invaluable tool, especially for collaborative projects with people distributed all over the place. In 2006 we setup a wiki for the MCN Board that has also been important for improving board communications. As these have all been for shared work among professional colleagues, i haven't experienced any turf wars or malicious editing, however a shared wiki we have here has been regularly ravaged by spambots. If you are considering something that will be public, also consider something that has good defenses and make regular backups. Mediawiki is easy to setup and install for general wiki functions, but its group and user management is a little cumbersome. I have a preference for the Confluence wikis that several partners are using, especially since much of the user management can be done through a web interface - particularly if you want to distribute permissions control to lower-level users. Granted you can do all of this in Mediawiki as well, but for me, Confluence has a better fit for the kind of work we are doing.Mediawiki is free and open-source, Confluence offers a free community license for non-profits (http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/pricing.jsp#nonprofit ). Richard Urban, Doctoral Student Graduate School of Library Information Science University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign rjurban at uiuc.edu http://isrl.uiuc.edu/~rjurban On Mar 18, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Diane Andolsek wrote: Hello, Would those of you who have implemented a wiki at your institution be so kind as to share your findings? I am doing a little research project for a client and I am interested to know: - Was it successful in terms of participation? Did people contribute regularly? - Have there been any issues with participant behavior? Any turf wars? - Has anyone implemented a wiki and then taken it down and, if so, why? - What wiki tools are people using? Thanks so much! Diane WEATHERHEAD Experience Design Group, Inc. Diane Andolsek | Principal 3220 1st. Ave. S Ste. #303 Seattle, WA 98134 P: (206) 447-0851 | F: (206) 447-0854 http://www.weatherhead-design.com Educational Experiences, Sophisticated Technology ___ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l ___ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l
[MCN-L] Book scanners?
Hi Perian, I think Brewster Kahle was using some sort of a system he developed for the Internet Archive that ended up being inexpensive to use - probably because of volume.. . I'd be curious to know of any other scanners or systems people have had luck with. Thanks, Sue -- Susan Grinols Director Photo Services and Imaging Fine Arts Museums of San Francisco Ph. 415.750.3602 Fx. 415.750.2679 On 3/19/08 2:00 PM, Perian Sully psully at magnes.org wrote: Hi all: We're trying to determine what other digitization equipment we should look into getting and one of the things I'm requesting is some sort of book scanner. I remember there being a news article about a very inexpensive automatic book digitizer, but I can't find it now. Does anyone remember what the brand was for that scanner or have a link to the article? Also, if anyone has any information about non-automatic and other types of book scanners, I'd love to hear about your experiences! Much thanks, Perian Sully Collection Information and New Media Coordinator Judah L. Magnes Museum 2911 Russell St. Berkeley, CA 94705 Work: 510-549-6950 x 357 Fax: 510-849-3673 http://www.magnes.org http://www.musematic.org http://www.mediaandtechnology.org ___ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l
[MCN-L] Digital distribution as PDF with e-signature
We are currently investigating the possibility of distributing contracts licenses as secure encrypted PDFs and I was wondering if anyone had experiences to share and / or recommendations. We are particularly interested in workflows around e-signature, especially since the documents in question currently need to be countersigned both by internal staff and the external customer. I too would love to hear from others about software and setups for this. Shyam, can you tell me how the MMA currently handles e-contracts? I've seen MMA locked PDF licenses with blank windows to be filled in. What other features are needed? I'm hoping to implement an e-contract system for at least some of our numerous author agreements. Regards, Eve Eve Sinaiko Director of Publications College Art Association 275 Seventh Avenue, 18th floor New York, NY 10001 212-691-1051 ext. 208 esinaiko at collegeart.org www.collegeart.org
[MCN-L] Book scanners?
Perian, Sue, and all, ...and by coincidence, yesterday Wired posted an annotated, play-by-play slide show of the Internet Archive's book-scanning process online at: http://www.wired.com/entertainment/theweb/multimedia/2008/03/gallery_internet_archive Rob Perian Sully wrote: Hi Sue: The Internet Archive has a number of scanners that they loan out to institutions, complete with support and software and the like. When I met with them, they also suggested partnering with other institutions or contacting those with one of their scanners already installed. After scouring Google some more, I finally found the product I was remembering: http://booksnap.atiz.com/ It's a $2000 book cradle (though you'd also have to get two cameras along with it). It comes with the software to output the images to PDF and also has OCR software built in. A far less expensive solution than the $30,000 on up scanners I've seen. Granted, this one doesn't have automatic page turning capability, but since many of our books are incredibly old and fragile, we wouldn't want the automatic turning anyway. Best, Perian Sully Collection Information and New Media Coordinator Judah L. Magnes Museum -Original Message- From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Sue Grinols Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:11 PM To: Museum Computer Network Listserv Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Book scanners? Hi Perian, I think Brewster Kahle was using some sort of a system he developed for the Internet Archive that ended up being inexpensive to use - probably because of volume.. . I'd be curious to know of any other scanners or systems people have had luck with. Thanks, Sue -- __ Rob Lancefield (rlancefield [at] wesleyan.edu) Manager of Museum Information Services / Registrar of Collections Davison Art Center, Wesleyan University 301 High Street, Middletown CT 06459-0487 USA 860.685.2965 Vice President / President-Elect, Museum Computer Network (MCN)
[MCN-L] Drupal vs. WordPress MU as content management systems
Let me just jump in without addressing any one post to say how much I appreciate everybody's feedback on the Drupal/WordPress MU question--this has all been great food for thought! The museum computer community is amazing. (And please don't let this message deter anybody else from responding--all thoughts are very welcome!) --E. Eric D. M. Johnson New Media Specialist Monticello P.O. Box 316 Charlottesville, VA 22902 Phone: (434) 984-7570 | Fax: (434) 977-6140 http://www.monticello.org/ ejohnson at monticello.orgmailto:ejohnson at monticello.org
[MCN-L] Last Chance to Register for Pop Culture in Libraries with Robin Brenner and Sara Sogigian
(Please excuse cross-posting) *Simmons GSLIS Continuing Education* *Pop Culture in Libraries* March 1 - 31, 2010 (online asynchronous) $250 (Simmons GSLIS Alumni price $200) PDPs: 15 Students will be introduced to the important place pop culture has in libraries. Instructors will present on a variety of materials that should be a part of every library collection: books, films, music, comics, and new media. Through online meetings, required reading and screenings, students will have a chance to learn about collection development, program planning, and satisfying the needs of their patrons by providing popular materials. Students will need to access streaming video, audio, real time internet based chats, and participate online. Instructor: Robin Brenner is a Reference/Teen Librarian, Brookline, MA; robin at noflyingnotights.com. Sarah Sogigian is a Trainer/Consultant for Youth Services, Metrowest MA and Boston Regional Library Systems; sarah at mmrls.org For more information about online workshops see http://www.simmons.edu/gslis/careers/continuing-education/faq.php#faq1432 *** For additional information or to register see http://www.simmons.edu/gslis/careers/continuing-education/register.php or contact gslisce at simmons.edu -- Kris Liberman '87LS Program Manager Simmons GSLIS CE T - 617-521-2803 F - 617-521-3192 gslisce at simmons.edu http://www.simmons.edu/gslis/careers/continuing-education/index.php
[MCN-L] Call for papers
Dear Colleagues, The 2^nd workshop on *Applications of Computer Vision in Archaeology ACVA'10 -- Vision, Visualization, and Computational Methods to Cultural Heritage Needs*, http://acva2010.cs.drexel.edu, will be held on Sunday June 14^th in San Francisco, in conjunction with the IEEE Conference on Computer Vision and Pattern Recognition http://www.cvpr2010.org (IEEE CVPR 2010), San Francisco, CA, June 13-18 2010. This workshop explores the application of computer vision research, visualization, and computational methods to cultural heritage needs. In specific, it focuses on emerging computer science methods and technologies useful for digitally recording, preserving, and reconstructing archaeological artifacts and for presenting archaeological site interpretations. Archaeologists, cultural heritage preservationists and computer vision, visualization, graphics, and new media practitioners will comprise this forum which is supported by the NSF's cultural heritage research division. The paper submission deadline is March 27^th , 2010, notification of acceptance is April 8^th , 2010, and submission of camera ready papers is April 13^th . In submitting a manuscript to the workshop, the authors acknowledge that no paper substantially similar in content has been submitted to another conference or workshop. *Manuscripts should be in the CVPR paper format*. Papers accepted for the workshop will be allocated *6 pages* in the proceedings, with the option of purchasing up to 2 extra pages for $100 per page. For more details check the workshop website http://acva2010.cs.drexel.edu. */Chairs/* *Fernand Cohen* General and Program Chair Drexel University *Benjamin Kimia* Program Co-Chair Brown University */Workshop Organizers/* *Fernand Cohen* General and Program Chair Drexel University *Benjamin Kimia* Program Co-Chair Brown University *Ko Nishino* Publications Chair Drexel University *Gabriel Taubin* Local arrangement Chair Brown University *Stephen Griffin* Sponsor National Science Foundation */Program Committee/* Moshe Ben-Ezra Microsoft Asia Michael S. Brown National University of Singapore Fernand Cohen Drexel University David Cooper Brown University Maurizio Forte University of California, Merced Katsushi Ikeuchi University of Tokyo Patrice Jeppson Drexel University Ben Kimia Brown University Jed Levin National Park Service Thomas Levy University of California, San Diego Glen Muschio Drexel University Ko Nishino Drexel University Holly Rushmeier Yale University Szymon Rusinkiewicz Princeton University Ilan Shimshoni University of Haifa Ali Shokoufandeh Drexel University Ayellet Tal Technion University Gabriel Taubin Brown University Luc Van-Gool, ETH University at Zurich Lior Wolff Tel Aviv University -- Dr.Glen Muschio Associate Professor Digital Media Program Antoinette Westphal College of Media Arts Design Drexel University 3141 Chestnut Street Philadelphia, PA 19104 phone: 215.895.2056 email: muschio at drexel.edu http://www.drexel.edu/westphal
[MCN-L] Drupal vs. WordPress MU as content management systems
Does anyone happen to know when Wordpress 3.0 comes out, or Drupal 7? I've heard of both of them being in development for some time now, but have never been able to get a clear picture of when. Thanks! ~P Perian Sully Collections Information Manager Web Programs Strategist The Magnes Berkeley, CA -Original Message- From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Justin Heideman Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:27 PM To: Museum Computer Network Listserv Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Drupal vs. WordPress MU as content management systems I'll chime in with the rest here and say that WordPress is really great for it's user-friendly admin UI and large community. From a technical/speed standpoint, it hasn't always been the the fastest or prettiest code in the world, but recent releases have gone a long ways in terms of improvements. One thing to keep in mind is that WordPress 3.0 is merging WordPress-mu with the regular old standalone wordpress. Meaning, WordPress 3.0 will have the ability to run multiple sites or blogs, like MU does now. WordPress 3.0 also expands on the custom post types that were added in 2.9, meaning that instead of just posts, pages and attachments, you'll be able to add events or books, or whatever you want. 2.9 has this already, but 3.0 is adding a UI for it (still in development, though). This will bring it closer to Drupal's CCK, which I think is the main reason folks use Drupal. To answer your specific questions: - Traffic: As Seb mentioned, wp-super-cache is a must. With it, you can take heavy loads. - Security: WordPress isn't great in this regard. You need to lock it down pretty well, and stay on top of updates. - Plugins: I've written a few and use a lot. If the plugins use publicized hooks and filters, you're good. If they add their own tables and do funkier things, it can be dicey. - Social media: Depends on what you want to do. There's a lot of plugins that do various social media stuff, and you can roll your own feeding relatively easily with yahoo pipes and the integrated magpieRSS class. -- Justin Heideman / New Media Designer / Walker Art Center justin.heideman at walkerart.org / 612.375.7545 On Feb 22, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Eric Johnson wrote: Hi, all-- Last summer was the most recent discussion I've found on MCN-L about Drupal as a content management system, and I was wondering whether anybody has done any recent comparison between Drupal and WordPress (especially WordPress MU) as a website CMS. We're planning on using one or the other as part of a complete site redesign: using the content we currently have as a base, but updating the overall site design and navigation; permitting content editing by multiple staffers; and providing a more sophisticated integration of social media (multiple blogs among other things). So we're trying to get a read on the current state of these two platforms. Along with general opinions about ease of use and the their development communities, we're interested in: * ability to handle heavy traffic * security * how well customizations roll from upgrade to upgrade * social media integration Any and all opinions, pro and con, about either Drupal or WordPress MU (or both) would be most appreciated! I'm happy to write up a summary post of anything I hear (and to clarify if needed). Many thanks! --Eric ___ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l The MCN-L archives can be found at: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/
[MCN-L] Drupal vs. WordPress MU as content management systems
Following on many good comments about how Drupal compares to Wordpress MU I'll throw in some comments about my team's experience, most of which has been with Drupal 6 over the past 18 months, though we have built a few small sites with WordPress. We've certainly found that Drupal holds up well when building some very ambitious user-generated content social media sites such as this extensive citizen science educational environment recently completed for the Gulf of Maine Research Institute www.vitalsignsme.org. Many details of this project's development are profiled in the Drupal Showcase at http://drupal.org/node/694998. As we specified and prototyped the architecture of the site we were concerned that the number of Drupal modules we would need to fulfill the requirements of the project would be far more than what the underlying Drupal structure would support in terms of acceptable performance. Most recommendations were to keep the total number of modules used under 30 or so with a maximum of 50. The Vital Signs environment is composed of about 80 modules, including 13 original custom modules created by our team. Performance has been very good and I would highly recommend Drupal for smaller projects as well as for large, ambitious projects or projects that will have to grow extensively in phases. A new hosted Drupal 7 solution is also in the works and should be available by fall 2010. Named Drupal Gardens, this will be 'Drupal as a service', making it very easy to setup small sites ala Wordpress or SN ala Ning, yet Drupal Gardens sites will be fully extensible and able to be moved onto your own Drupal hosting install whenever desired. This should be a very powerful addition to this already capable platform. http://buytaert.net/drupal-gardens You'll find many answers to questions about our Vital Signs project on the Drupal Showcase site and I'll try to find time to answer others that may come up. Dana Dana Hutchins Image Works/XhibitNet 541 Congress St. Portland, ME 04101 207.773.1101 ext.102 dana at imagewks.com www.ImageWks.com www.xhibit.net On 2/22/10 3:44 PM, Eric Johnson ejohnson at monticello.org wrote: Hi, all-- Last summer was the most recent discussion I've found on MCN-L about Drupal as a content management system, and I was wondering whether anybody has done any recent comparison between Drupal and WordPress (especially WordPress MU) as a website CMS. We're planning on using one or the other as part of a complete site redesign: using the content we currently have as a base, but updating the overall site design and navigation; permitting content editing by multiple staffers; and providing a more sophisticated integration of social media (multiple blogs among other things). So we're trying to get a read on the current state of these two platforms. Along with general opinions about ease of use and the their development communities, we're interested in: * ability to handle heavy traffic * security * how well customizations roll from upgrade to upgrade * social media integration Any and all opinions, pro and con, about either Drupal or WordPress MU (or both) would be most appreciated! I'm happy to write up a summary post of anything I hear (and to clarify if needed). Many thanks! --Eric Eric D. M. Johnson New Media Specialist Monticello P.O. Box 316 Charlottesville, VA 22902 Phone: (434) 984-7570 | Fax: (434) 977-6140 http://www.monticello.org/ ejohnson at monticello.orgmailto:ejohnson at monticello.org ___ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l The MCN-L archives can be found at: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/
[MCN-L] Drupal vs. WordPress MU as content management systems
The release date for WordPress 3.0 is early May. http://wordpress.org/development I've stayed out of this conversation (for reasons that Eric is aware of!) but since the conservation seems to of value to the community. My two cents. We've built a lot of Web sites over the years with various CMS systems and we've built sites from scratch too using Ruby on Rails, such as the ExhibitFiles site (http://www.exhibitfiles.org). In the fall, we redesigned our portfolio site and built a site for our multitouch framework for Flash and found the latest version of WordPress really easy to work with. Also, we recently discovered BuddyPress (http://buddypress.org/), which has a great of promise for building social networks. Does anyone out there have any experience with this software package yet? Jim -- Jim Spadaccini Ideum ideas + media 4895 1/2 Corrales Road Corrales, NM 87048 505-792-1110 Fax 505-792- portfolio blog: http://www.ideum.com -- twitter: @ideum flickr: www.flickr.com/photos/ideum youtube: www.youtube.com/user/multitouchexhibits On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Perian Sully psully at magnes.org wrote: Does anyone happen to know when Wordpress 3.0 comes out, or Drupal 7? I've heard of both of them being in development for some time now, but have never been able to get a clear picture of when. Thanks! ~P Perian Sully Collections Information Manager Web Programs Strategist The Magnes Berkeley, CA -Original Message- From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Justin Heideman Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:27 PM To: Museum Computer Network Listserv Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Drupal vs. WordPress MU as content management systems I'll chime in with the rest here and say that WordPress is really great for it's user-friendly admin UI and large community. From a technical/speed standpoint, it hasn't always been the the fastest or prettiest code in the world, but recent releases have gone a long ways in terms of improvements. One thing to keep in mind is that WordPress 3.0 is merging WordPress-mu with the regular old standalone wordpress. Meaning, WordPress 3.0 will have the ability to run multiple sites or blogs, like MU does now. WordPress 3.0 also expands on the custom post types that were added in 2.9, meaning that instead of just posts, pages and attachments, you'll be able to add events or books, or whatever you want. 2.9 has this already, but 3.0 is adding a UI for it (still in development, though). This will bring it closer to Drupal's CCK, which I think is the main reason folks use Drupal. To answer your specific questions: - Traffic: As Seb mentioned, wp-super-cache is a must. With it, you can take heavy loads. - Security: WordPress isn't great in this regard. You need to lock it down pretty well, and stay on top of updates. - Plugins: I've written a few and use a lot. If the plugins use publicized hooks and filters, you're good. If they add their own tables and do funkier things, it can be dicey. - Social media: Depends on what you want to do. There's a lot of plugins that do various social media stuff, and you can roll your own feeding relatively easily with yahoo pipes and the integrated magpieRSS class. -- Justin Heideman / New Media Designer / Walker Art Center justin.heideman at walkerart.org / 612.375.7545 On Feb 22, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Eric Johnson wrote: Hi, all-- Last summer was the most recent discussion I've found on MCN-L about Drupal as a content management system, and I was wondering whether anybody has done any recent comparison between Drupal and WordPress (especially WordPress MU) as a website CMS. We're planning on using one or the other as part of a complete site redesign: using the content we currently have as a base, but updating the overall site design and navigation; permitting content editing by multiple staffers; and providing a more sophisticated integration of social media (multiple blogs among other things). So we're trying to get a read on the current state of these two platforms. Along with general opinions about ease of use and the their development communities, we're interested in: * ability to handle heavy traffic * security * how well customizations roll from upgrade to upgrade * social media integration Any and all opinions, pro and con, about either Drupal or WordPress MU (or both) would be most appreciated! I'm happy to write up a summary post of anything I hear (and to clarify if needed). Many thanks! --Eric ___ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l The MCN-L archives can be found at:
[MCN-L] Drupal vs. WordPress MU as content management systems
WordPress 3.0 is due out 5/1/10 - the alpha is out and very impressive, public beta will be 3/15/10. As mentioned the main changes are the merge with WP MU and a flexible taxonomy structure allowing it to function much more like Drupal. To add to the discussion some thoughts: whether you use MU or the network mode in 3.0 the wordpress.com model where each site is restricted to the same group of themes and a handful of core plugins may not be the best approach to managing multiple content streams - I do not want to use the word blog intentionally as WP is capable of being a full blown CMS with a couple of small tweaks to the default roles: you can create multiple time-based sections authored by distinct people within the same instance of WP by simply creating a category page for each section and assigning that category to new posts; you can define category specific contributors - users who can create content but not publish it - authors - users who can author and publish their own or edit the work of contributors, and editors who can author edit and approve the work of contributors and editors; you can customize the WP install folder to include certain plugins and themes so spawning complete standalone sites can be done in very little time; once enabled you can actually configure them all to run off the same user table OR enable AD authentication and full SSO. I am not saying that Drupal or any other CMS out there cannot do all these things too - I just want to ensure that Wordpress is not excluded from the viable CMS debate unfairly; it is a great blogging platform no doubt but it is also a very flexible, powerful and secure CMS as well. Titus Bicknell | @titusbicknell | +1.240.271.9735 titus at bicknell.com | http://www.titusbicknell.com 703 Dale Drive | Silver Spring | MD 20910 | USA On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Perian Sully wrote: Does anyone happen to know when Wordpress 3.0 comes out, or Drupal 7? I've heard of both of them being in development for some time now, but have never been able to get a clear picture of when. Thanks! ~P Perian Sully Collections Information Manager Web Programs Strategist The Magnes Berkeley, CA -Original Message- From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Justin Heideman Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:27 PM To: Museum Computer Network Listserv Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Drupal vs. WordPress MU as content management systems I'll chime in with the rest here and say that WordPress is really great for it's user-friendly admin UI and large community. From a technical/speed standpoint, it hasn't always been the the fastest or prettiest code in the world, but recent releases have gone a long ways in terms of improvements. One thing to keep in mind is that WordPress 3.0 is merging WordPress-mu with the regular old standalone wordpress. Meaning, WordPress 3.0 will have the ability to run multiple sites or blogs, like MU does now. WordPress 3.0 also expands on the custom post types that were added in 2.9, meaning that instead of just posts, pages and attachments, you'll be able to add events or books, or whatever you want. 2.9 has this already, but 3.0 is adding a UI for it (still in development, though). This will bring it closer to Drupal's CCK, which I think is the main reason folks use Drupal. To answer your specific questions: - Traffic: As Seb mentioned, wp-super-cache is a must. With it, you can take heavy loads. - Security: WordPress isn't great in this regard. You need to lock it down pretty well, and stay on top of updates. - Plugins: I've written a few and use a lot. If the plugins use publicized hooks and filters, you're good. If they add their own tables and do funkier things, it can be dicey. - Social media: Depends on what you want to do. There's a lot of plugins that do various social media stuff, and you can roll your own feeding relatively easily with yahoo pipes and the integrated magpieRSS class. -- Justin Heideman / New Media Designer / Walker Art Center justin.heideman at walkerart.org / 612.375.7545 On Feb 22, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Eric Johnson wrote: Hi, all-- Last summer was the most recent discussion I've found on MCN-L about Drupal as a content management system, and I was wondering whether anybody has done any recent comparison between Drupal and WordPress (especially WordPress MU) as a website CMS. We're planning on using one or the other as part of a complete site redesign: using the content we currently have as a base, but updating the overall site design and navigation; permitting content editing by multiple staffers; and providing a more sophisticated integration of social media (multiple blogs among other things). So we're trying to get a read on the current state of these two platforms. Along with general opinions about ease of use and the their development communities, we're interested in:
