[MCN-L] JPEG to be replaced by Windows Media Photo?
On 10/17/06, Tom A. wrote: > Storage media (hdd) is getting cheaper and larger. I really do not > see the need > for a new compression algorithm these days. Especially from MS. > I find this argument (which I have been hearing for years now) to be fairly specious. The fact is that while storage may be cheaper digital images are much bigger than they used to be and there are lots more of them. Nor has bandwidth speeded up in proportion to the bulking up of image sizes. And as for storage getting so much cheaper: having put down 70K dollars this year for a 3.2 TB EMC system and facing ongoing maintenance fees in the thousands per year, plus management software for the drives, etc., I'm not so sure that disk has gotten all that much cheaper, at least if you're talking about secure, robust storage.
[MCN-L] JPEG to be replaced by Windows Media Photo?
MS gave us CSS, a very handy technology, and a good way to separate content from presentation. Technologists will always find a better way to do things, and as mathematical theories evolve better algorithms will emerge. Better storage, yes, great! Better algorithms, why not, particularly if they are kept in the public domain. -- - Ray Ray Shah - think design, inc. Web, application design, usability, training. rayshah at thinkdesign.com tel: 212.922.0952 x 212 http://www.thinkdesign.com mobile: 917.476.0952 On Oct 17, 2006, at 10:59 AM, Tom A. wrote: > Storage media (hdd) is getting cheaper and larger. I really do not > see the need > for a new compression algorithm these days. Especially from MS. > > > > On Oct 17, 2006, at 7:12 AM, Mike Rippy wrote: > >> It would be too bad if it wasnt open source. "the philosophy has >> been >> that licensing should not be a restriction" to adoption, Crow >> said. Id >> say the same thing if I were working for Microsoft. >> > akeshet at imj.org.il 10/17/2006 2:19 AM >>> >> >> Unlikely. Has anyone looked into this? >> >> --- >> >> >> "If it is up to Microsoft, the omnipresent JPEG image format will be >> replaced by Windows Media Photo. >> The software maker detailed the new image format Wednesday at the >> Windows >> Hardware Engineering Conference here. Windows Media Photo will be >> supported >> in Windows Vista and also be made available for Windows XP, Bill >> Crow, >> >> program manager for Windows Media Photo, said in a presentation. >> "One of the biggest reasons people upgrade their PCs is digital >> photos," >> Crow said, noting that Microsoft has been in contact with printer >> makers, >> digital camera companies and other unnamed industry partners while >> working >> on Windows Media Photo. Microsoft touts managing "digital >> memories" as >> one >> of the key attributes of XP successor Vista. >> In his presentation, Crow showed an image with 24:1 compression that >> visibly >> contained more detail in the Windows Media Photo format than the JPEG >> and >> JPEG 2000 formats compressed at the same level." >> >> http://news.com.com/2100-1025_3-6076650.html >> >> >> >> Amalyah Keshet >> Head of Image Resources & Copyright Management >> The Israel Museum, Jerusalem >> fax 02-670-8064 >> tel 02-670-8874 >> akeshet at imj.org.il >> >> ___ >> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >> >> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >> >> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >> >> ___ >> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >> >> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >> >> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >> > > ___ > You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum > Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) > > To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu > > To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: > http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l > >
[MCN-L] JPEG to be replaced by Windows Media Photo?
It would be too bad if it wasnt open source. "the philosophy has been that licensing should not be a restriction" to adoption, Crow said. Id say the same thing if I were working for Microsoft. >>> akeshet at imj.org.il 10/17/2006 2:19 AM >>> Unlikely. Has anyone looked into this? --- "If it is up to Microsoft, the omnipresent JPEG image format will be replaced by Windows Media Photo. The software maker detailed the new image format Wednesday at the Windows Hardware Engineering Conference here. Windows Media Photo will be supported in Windows Vista and also be made available for Windows XP, Bill Crow, program manager for Windows Media Photo, said in a presentation. "One of the biggest reasons people upgrade their PCs is digital photos," Crow said, noting that Microsoft has been in contact with printer makers, digital camera companies and other unnamed industry partners while working on Windows Media Photo. Microsoft touts managing "digital memories" as one of the key attributes of XP successor Vista. In his presentation, Crow showed an image with 24:1 compression that visibly contained more detail in the Windows Media Photo format than the JPEG and JPEG 2000 formats compressed at the same level." http://news.com.com/2100-1025_3-6076650.html Amalyah Keshet Head of Image Resources & Copyright Management The Israel Museum, Jerusalem fax 02-670-8064 tel 02-670-8874 akeshet at imj.org.il ___ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l
[MCN-L] Origins of CSS - was Re: JPEG to be replaced by Windows Media Photo?
>MS gave us CSS, a very handy technology, and a good way to separate >content from presentation. A moment of history nitpicking tangent here... The original css specification -- the origins of the idea -- came from Hakon Wium Lie and Bert Bos. They were part of an original discussion in the W3C about possible style sheet languages to be incorporated into HTML back in 1994. They merged a couple of ideas to create the eventual standard. It was later in the final phases of the process that Stephen Pemberton and Thomas Reardon (from MS) were brought into the picture. With the release of IE3 the following year some elements of the new css standard were available, Opera followed about a year and a half later and then finally with IE5 for macintosh there was a browser with almost full support for the CSS1 standard. By this point, most of the major browser vendors had plans to bring broader CSS support in their next revisions of browser software. While I'd agree that MS help popularize CSS, I think it'd be a bit of stretch to say that they gave it to us. (There's always a heckler in every crowd, isn't there? ;) -bw. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bruce Wyman, Director of New Technologies Denver Art Museum / 100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204 office: 720.913.0159 / fax: 720.913.0002
[MCN-L] JPEG to be replaced by Windows Media Photo?
Little correction: The 'father" of CSS is actually H?kon Wium Lie. MS's Thomas Reardon joined him and Bert Bos to finalize the specs. On Oct 17, 2006, at 8:07 AM, Ray Shah wrote: > MS gave us CSS, a very handy technology, and a good way to separate > content from presentation. > Technologists will always find a better way to do things, and as > mathematical theories evolve better algorithms will emerge. > Better storage, yes, great! Better algorithms, why not, particularly > if they are kept in the public domain. > > -- > - Ray > > Ray Shah - think design, inc. > Web, application design, usability, training. > rayshah at thinkdesign.com tel: 212.922.0952 x 212 > http://www.thinkdesign.com mobile: 917.476.0952 > > > On Oct 17, 2006, at 10:59 AM, Tom A. wrote: > >> Storage media (hdd) is getting cheaper and larger. I really do not >> see the need >> for a new compression algorithm these days. Especially from MS. >> >> >> >> On Oct 17, 2006, at 7:12 AM, Mike Rippy wrote: >> >>> It would be too bad if it wasnt open source. "the philosophy has >>> been >>> that licensing should not be a restriction" to adoption, Crow >>> said. Id >>> say the same thing if I were working for Microsoft. >>> >> akeshet at imj.org.il 10/17/2006 2:19 AM >>> >>> >>> Unlikely. Has anyone looked into this? >>> >>> --- >>> >>> >>> "If it is up to Microsoft, the omnipresent JPEG image format will be >>> replaced by Windows Media Photo. >>> The software maker detailed the new image format Wednesday at the >>> Windows >>> Hardware Engineering Conference here. Windows Media Photo will be >>> supported >>> in Windows Vista and also be made available for Windows XP, Bill >>> Crow, >>> >>> program manager for Windows Media Photo, said in a presentation. >>> "One of the biggest reasons people upgrade their PCs is digital >>> photos," >>> Crow said, noting that Microsoft has been in contact with printer >>> makers, >>> digital camera companies and other unnamed industry partners while >>> working >>> on Windows Media Photo. Microsoft touts managing "digital >>> memories" as >>> one >>> of the key attributes of XP successor Vista. >>> In his presentation, Crow showed an image with 24:1 compression that >>> visibly >>> contained more detail in the Windows Media Photo format than the >>> JPEG >>> and >>> JPEG 2000 formats compressed at the same level." >>> >>> http://news.com.com/2100-1025_3-6076650.html >>> >>> >>> >>> Amalyah Keshet >>> Head of Image Resources & Copyright Management >>> The Israel Museum, Jerusalem >>> fax 02-670-8064 >>> tel 02-670-8874 >>> akeshet at imj.org.il >>> >>> ___ >>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >>> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >>> >>> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >>> >>> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >>> >>> ___ >>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >>> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >>> >>> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >>> >>> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >>> >> >> ___ >> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >> >> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >> >> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >> >> > > ___ > You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum > Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) > > To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu > > To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: > http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >
[MCN-L] IP SIG: www.copycense.com
Another interesting copyright blog: ** > CopyCense [www.copycense.com] Check out topic areas of interest to MCN members: http://www.copycense.com/images_art_photos/index.html www.copycense.com/2006/03/demystifying_fa.html (Fair USe) http://www.copycense.com/digitization/index.html http://www.copycense.com/computers_technology/index.html http://www.copycense.com/drm_copy_protection/index.html http://www.copycense.com/multimedia/index.html Amalyah Keshet Head of Image Resources & Copyright Management The Israel Museum, Jerusalem Chair, MCN IP SIG
[MCN-L] JPEG to be replaced by Windows Media Photo?
Unlikely. Has anyone looked into this? --- "If it is up to Microsoft, the omnipresent JPEG image format will be replaced by Windows Media Photo. The software maker detailed the new image format Wednesday at the Windows Hardware Engineering Conference here. Windows Media Photo will be supported in Windows Vista and also be made available for Windows XP, Bill Crow, program manager for Windows Media Photo, said in a presentation. "One of the biggest reasons people upgrade their PCs is digital photos," Crow said, noting that Microsoft has been in contact with printer makers, digital camera companies and other unnamed industry partners while working on Windows Media Photo. Microsoft touts managing "digital memories" as one of the key attributes of XP successor Vista. In his presentation, Crow showed an image with 24:1 compression that visibly contained more detail in the Windows Media Photo format than the JPEG and JPEG 2000 formats compressed at the same level." http://news.com.com/2100-1025_3-6076650.html Amalyah Keshet Head of Image Resources & Copyright Management The Israel Museum, Jerusalem fax 02-670-8064 tel 02-670-8874 akeshet at imj.org.il
[MCN-L] JPEG to be replaced by Windows Media Photo?
May have given us CSS (and AJAX), but we all know how well IE6 renders it. Hm, re-compressing 10TB of data does not sound like time well spend, just so I can save a few GB. May be a good idea for someone that is just starting to build a repository, but otherwise I do not see a point. On Oct 17, 2006, at 8:07 AM, Ray Shah wrote: > MS gave us CSS, a very handy technology, and a good way to separate > content from presentation. > Technologists will always find a better way to do things, and as > mathematical theories evolve better algorithms will emerge. > Better storage, yes, great! Better algorithms, why not, particularly > if they are kept in the public domain. > > -- > - Ray > > Ray Shah - think design, inc. > Web, application design, usability, training. > rayshah at thinkdesign.com tel: 212.922.0952 x 212 > http://www.thinkdesign.com mobile: 917.476.0952 > > > On Oct 17, 2006, at 10:59 AM, Tom A. wrote: > >> Storage media (hdd) is getting cheaper and larger. I really do not >> see the need >> for a new compression algorithm these days. Especially from MS. >> >> >> >> On Oct 17, 2006, at 7:12 AM, Mike Rippy wrote: >> >>> It would be too bad if it wasnt open source. "the philosophy has >>> been >>> that licensing should not be a restriction" to adoption, Crow >>> said. Id >>> say the same thing if I were working for Microsoft. >>> >> akeshet at imj.org.il 10/17/2006 2:19 AM >>> >>> >>> Unlikely. Has anyone looked into this? >>> >>> --- >>> >>> >>> "If it is up to Microsoft, the omnipresent JPEG image format will be >>> replaced by Windows Media Photo. >>> The software maker detailed the new image format Wednesday at the >>> Windows >>> Hardware Engineering Conference here. Windows Media Photo will be >>> supported >>> in Windows Vista and also be made available for Windows XP, Bill >>> Crow, >>> >>> program manager for Windows Media Photo, said in a presentation. >>> "One of the biggest reasons people upgrade their PCs is digital >>> photos," >>> Crow said, noting that Microsoft has been in contact with printer >>> makers, >>> digital camera companies and other unnamed industry partners while >>> working >>> on Windows Media Photo. Microsoft touts managing "digital >>> memories" as >>> one >>> of the key attributes of XP successor Vista. >>> In his presentation, Crow showed an image with 24:1 compression that >>> visibly >>> contained more detail in the Windows Media Photo format than the >>> JPEG >>> and >>> JPEG 2000 formats compressed at the same level." >>> >>> http://news.com.com/2100-1025_3-6076650.html >>> >>> >>> >>> Amalyah Keshet >>> Head of Image Resources & Copyright Management >>> The Israel Museum, Jerusalem >>> fax 02-670-8064 >>> tel 02-670-8874 >>> akeshet at imj.org.il >>> >>> ___ >>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >>> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >>> >>> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >>> >>> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >>> >>> ___ >>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >>> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >>> >>> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >>> >>> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >>> >> >> ___ >> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >> >> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >> >> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >> >> > > ___ > You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum > Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) > > To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu > > To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: > http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >
[MCN-L] JPEG to be replaced by Windows Media Photo?
Storage media (hdd) is getting cheaper and larger. I really do not see the need for a new compression algorithm these days. Especially from MS. On Oct 17, 2006, at 7:12 AM, Mike Rippy wrote: > It would be too bad if it wasnt open source. "the philosophy has been > that licensing should not be a restriction" to adoption, Crow > said. Id > say the same thing if I were working for Microsoft. > akeshet at imj.org.il 10/17/2006 2:19 AM >>> > > Unlikely. Has anyone looked into this? > > --- > > > "If it is up to Microsoft, the omnipresent JPEG image format will be > replaced by Windows Media Photo. > The software maker detailed the new image format Wednesday at the > Windows > Hardware Engineering Conference here. Windows Media Photo will be > supported > in Windows Vista and also be made available for Windows XP, Bill Crow, > > program manager for Windows Media Photo, said in a presentation. > "One of the biggest reasons people upgrade their PCs is digital > photos," > Crow said, noting that Microsoft has been in contact with printer > makers, > digital camera companies and other unnamed industry partners while > working > on Windows Media Photo. Microsoft touts managing "digital memories" as > one > of the key attributes of XP successor Vista. > In his presentation, Crow showed an image with 24:1 compression that > visibly > contained more detail in the Windows Media Photo format than the JPEG > and > JPEG 2000 formats compressed at the same level." > > http://news.com.com/2100-1025_3-6076650.html > > > > Amalyah Keshet > Head of Image Resources & Copyright Management > The Israel Museum, Jerusalem > fax 02-670-8064 > tel 02-670-8874 > akeshet at imj.org.il > > ___ > You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum > Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) > > To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu > > To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: > http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l > > ___ > You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum > Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) > > To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu > > To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: > http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >
