[MCN-L] Embedding LCD screens in new walls?

2013-09-18 Thread mpara...@gallery.ca
Hi George,

This company makes new 4:3 monitors.  Not inexpensive but still available in 
larger sizes.  Good luck!

http://www.dotronix.com/

Thanks,

MARK PARADIS
CHIEF, MULTIMEDIA SERVICES-CHEF DE SERVICES MULTIM?DIA

NATIONAL GALLERY OF CANADA, MUS?E DES BEAUX-ARTS DU CANADA 
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George Scharoun
Sent: September-17-13 4:24 PM
To: mcn-l at mcn.edu
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Embedding LCD screens in new walls?

Thank you all for your feedback! With all the different responses, it's 
encouraging to hear that you all share the same concerns, and would resist 
embedding a display in a wall with no easy way to remove it.

So the issue of older video artworks mostly being 4:3 aspect ratio continues to 
give me trouble, as new 4:3 displays are not available.
Cropping a widescreen display by burying it behind a diebond mask that's taped 
and painted over (curator's idea) is not at all best practice. So it looks like 
I'm going to need to resort to sourcing USED TVs or monitors for this show. If 
you have any you want to get rid of let me know.

Thanks again for your advice everyone.

??

GEORGE SCHAROUN
Technical Producer, Gallery Media
Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
gscharoun at mfa.org | 617-369-3512
http://www.mfa.org





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[MCN-L] Embedding LCD screens in new walls?

2013-09-17 Thread Adam Carrier
Ditto, Koven. We use similar casing to hide displays on flat walls. We
always build in access, because in my opinion, the internal/external power
supplies are the weakest component to displays and kiosks.

If the display fails and you can't get to it, then the aesthetic advantage
of embedding the display is lost. I am also not sure that meets NEC code.

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On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Koven Smith koven at kineticmuseums.comwrote:

 I tend to agree with previous posters--heat is your biggest problem with a
 recessed mount like that, and if you don't account for it, you'll need to
 access the device(s) a lot more often. In the Greek and Roman galleries at
 the Met, we built out casework that swung out for easy access, but allowed
 for passive air flow from bottom to top. You can (kind of) see them in this
 image: http://bit.ly/165xWS9. Touch screens take so much abuse that I
 think
 you need to work from the assumption that you'll be accessing them all the
 time, whether to update the software or change out hardware or whatever.
 Good luck!

 Koven

 *
 *
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 e koven at kineticmuseums.com
 p +1 917 727 2612
 t @5easypieces https://twitter.com/5easypieces
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 On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:40 AM, George Scharoun GScharoun at mfa.org
 wrote:

  Has anyone had experience burying an LCD display in a wall, so as to hide
  the frame and/or crop the image to a desired aspect ratio? Our curators
 and
  designers (not responsible for the well-being of the equipment) are keen
 on
  the idea, as it will no doubt give the exhibition a nice clean look.
  However as the technical producer, I feel very uncomfortable putting any
  piece of equipment someplace I can't get to it, i.e. behind taped and
  painted seams.  Even if you were guaranteed the equipment would have
  adequate ventilation, would you agree to install equipment without
  maintenance access?
 
  The question I'm often asked is, will you need to get to it? To which I
  respond, I shouldn't, but I might. It's true, but it feels like a
 flimsy
  answer, so I'm curious to know how others have handled this situation, or
  how you would handle it.
 
  Thanks so much,
  George
 
  ??
 
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  Technical Producer, Gallery Media
  Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
  gscharoun at mfa.org | 617-369-3512
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[MCN-L] Embedding LCD screens in new walls?

2013-09-17 Thread George Scharoun
Thank you all for your feedback! With all the different responses, it's
encouraging to hear that you all share the same concerns, and would resist
embedding a display in a wall with no easy way to remove it.

So the issue of older video artworks mostly being 4:3 aspect ratio
continues to give me trouble, as new 4:3 displays are not available.
Cropping a widescreen display by burying it behind a diebond mask that's
taped and painted over (curator's idea) is not at all best practice. So it
looks like I'm going to need to resort to sourcing USED TVs or monitors
for this show. If you have any you want to get rid of let me know.

Thanks again for your advice everyone.

??

GEORGE SCHAROUN
Technical Producer, Gallery Media
Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
gscharoun at mfa.org | 617-369-3512
http://www.mfa.org





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[MCN-L] Embedding LCD screens in new walls?

2013-09-17 Thread Bryan Kennedy
We've had very good luck with ELO's open frame 4:3 monitors when faced with
the same issue, of old standard resolution content.
http://www.elotouch.com/Products/LCDs/
bk


bryan kennedy
director, exhibit media
science museum of minnesota
bkennedy at smm.org   651.221.2522



On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:24 PM, George Scharoun GScharoun at mfa.org wrote:

 Thank you all for your feedback! With all the different responses, it's
 encouraging to hear that you all share the same concerns, and would resist
 embedding a display in a wall with no easy way to remove it.

 So the issue of older video artworks mostly being 4:3 aspect ratio
 continues to give me trouble, as new 4:3 displays are not available.
 Cropping a widescreen display by burying it behind a diebond mask that's
 taped and painted over (curator's idea) is not at all best practice. So it
 looks like I'm going to need to resort to sourcing USED TVs or monitors
 for this show. If you have any you want to get rid of let me know.

 Thanks again for your advice everyone.

 ??

 GEORGE SCHAROUN
 Technical Producer, Gallery Media
 Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
 gscharoun at mfa.org | 617-369-3512
 http://www.mfa.org





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[MCN-L] Embedding LCD screens in new walls?

2013-09-17 Thread Jesse Heinzen
Happ monitors also work well for 4:3 content.
http://na.suzohapp.com/all_catalogs/monitors/

--Jesse

On Sep 17, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Bryan Kennedy bkennedy at smm.org wrote:

We've had very good luck with ELO's open frame 4:3 monitors when faced with
the same issue, of old standard resolution content.
http://www.elotouch.com/Products/LCDs/
bk


bryan kennedy
director, exhibit media
science museum of minnesota
bkennedy at smm.org   651.221.2522



On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:24 PM, George Scharoun GScharoun at mfa.org wrote:

Thank you all for your feedback! With all the different responses, it's

encouraging to hear that you all share the same concerns, and would resist

embedding a display in a wall with no easy way to remove it.


So the issue of older video artworks mostly being 4:3 aspect ratio

continues to give me trouble, as new 4:3 displays are not available.

Cropping a widescreen display by burying it behind a diebond mask that's

taped and painted over (curator's idea) is not at all best practice. So it

looks like I'm going to need to resort to sourcing USED TVs or monitors

for this show. If you have any you want to get rid of let me know.


Thanks again for your advice everyone.


??


GEORGE SCHAROUN

Technical Producer, Gallery Media

Museum of Fine Arts, Boston

gscharoun at mfa.org | 617-369-3512

http://www.mfa.org






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[MCN-L] Embedding LCD screens in new walls?

2013-09-16 Thread George Scharoun
Has anyone had experience burying an LCD display in a wall, so as to hide the 
frame and/or crop the image to a desired aspect ratio? Our curators and 
designers (not responsible for the well-being of the equipment) are keen on the 
idea, as it will no doubt give the exhibition a nice clean look. However as the 
technical producer, I feel very uncomfortable putting any piece of equipment 
someplace I can't get to it, i.e. behind taped and painted seams.  Even if you 
were guaranteed the equipment would have adequate ventilation, would you agree 
to install equipment without maintenance access?

The question I'm often asked is, will you need to get to it? To which I 
respond, I shouldn't, but I might. It's true, but it feels like a flimsy 
answer, so I'm curious to know how others have handled this situation, or how 
you would handle it.

Thanks so much,
George

??

GEORGE SCHAROUN
Technical Producer, Gallery Media
Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
gscharoun at mfa.org | 617-369-3512
http://www.mfa.org



[MCN-L] Embedding LCD screens in new walls?

2013-09-16 Thread Frank E. Thomson
Is it possible to build a false wall with enough space to get to the monitor 
from the back? That way if you need access you could remove the mounts and take 
it out for servicing. This should also provide proper air flow. Even lcd tvs 
produce some heat.

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Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 11:41 AM
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Subject: [MCN-L] Embedding LCD screens in new walls?

Has anyone had experience burying an LCD display in a wall, so as to hide the 
frame and/or crop the image to a desired aspect ratio? Our curators and 
designers (not responsible for the well-being of the equipment) are keen on the 
idea, as it will no doubt give the exhibition a nice clean look. However as the 
technical producer, I feel very uncomfortable putting any piece of equipment 
someplace I can't get to it, i.e. behind taped and painted seams.  Even if you 
were guaranteed the equipment would have adequate ventilation, would you agree 
to install equipment without maintenance access?

The question I'm often asked is, will you need to get to it? To which I 
respond, I shouldn't, but I might. It's true, but it feels like a flimsy 
answer, so I'm curious to know how others have handled this situation, or how 
you would handle it.

Thanks so much,
George

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Technical Producer, Gallery Media
Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
gscharoun at mfa.org | 617-369-3512
http://www.mfa.org

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[MCN-L] Embedding LCD screens in new walls?

2013-09-16 Thread richard
Is there any way to build a hinged recessed box like a medicine cabinet with a 
frame? You could possible plug in a usb fan to circulate air as well.

Richard Cloutier
Building/IT Coordinator
Red Deer Museum + Art Gallery


From: George Scharoun gschar...@mfa.org
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:41 AM
To: mcn-l at mcn.edu mcn-l at mcn.edu
Subject: [MCN-L] Embedding LCD screens in new walls?

Has anyone had experience burying an LCD display in a wall, so as to hide the 
frame and/or crop the image to a desired aspect ratio? Our curators and 
designers (not responsible for the well-being of the equipment) are keen on the 
idea, as it will no doubt give the exhibition a nice clean look. However as the 
technical producer, I feel very uncomfortable putting any piece of equipment 
someplace I can't get to it, i.e. behind taped and painted seams.  Even if you 
were guaranteed the equipment would have adequate ventilation, would you agree 
to install equipment without maintenance access?

The question I'm often asked is, will you need to get to it? To which I 
respond, I shouldn't, but I might. It's true, but it feels like a flimsy 
answer, so I'm curious to know how others have handled this situation, or how 
you would handle it.

Thanks so much,
George

--

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Technical Producer, Gallery Media
Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
gscharoun at mfa.org | 617-369-3512
http://www.mfa.org

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[MCN-L] Embedding LCD screens in new walls?

2013-09-16 Thread Josh Goldblum

hey George

You might want to check out an integrated touchscreen/computer. Elo makes a 
really nice 32inch, that can be mounted fairly easily, doesn't require a full 
size PC, is easy enough to access and update, etc. 

Monitor $1500
http://www.elotouch.com/Products/IDS/3201L/default.asp
 
Computer $1000
http://www.elotouch.com/Products/Computers/IDSECMG2/default.asp

We are using these in a range of applications. Feel free to hit me up off list 
for more info. 

Hope this helps. 

Josh


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On Sep 16, 2013, at 11:40 AM, George Scharoun GScharoun at mfa.org wrote:

 Has anyone had experience burying an LCD display in a wall, so as to hide the 
 frame and/or crop the image to a desired aspect ratio? Our curators and 
 designers (not responsible for the well-being of the equipment) are keen on 
 the idea, as it will no doubt give the exhibition a nice clean look. However 
 as the technical producer, I feel very uncomfortable putting any piece of 
 equipment someplace I can't get to it, i.e. behind taped and painted seams.  
 Even if you were guaranteed the equipment would have adequate ventilation, 
 would you agree to install equipment without maintenance access?
 
 The question I'm often asked is, will you need to get to it? To which I 
 respond, I shouldn't, but I might. It's true, but it feels like a flimsy 
 answer, so I'm curious to know how others have handled this situation, or how 
 you would handle it.
 
 Thanks so much,
 George
 
 ??
 
 GEORGE SCHAROUN
 Technical Producer, Gallery Media
 Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
 gscharoun at mfa.org | 617-369-3512
 http://www.mfa.org
 
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2013-09-16 Thread Jason Jay Stevens

For that, I like cabinet doors or blended panels with hidden, magnetic latches, 
or tastefully-placed panel bolts. If the design accepts it, a floating 
panel--not going all the way to the ceiling or the floor, cleated-and-pinned, 
out in front of the wall is pretty easy to implement, too.

: j




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Flutter  Wow Museum Projects

P. O. Box 21576
Detroit, MI 48221

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210.364.6305
 
 On Sep 16, 2013, at 11:40 AM, George Scharoun GScharoun at mfa.org wrote:
 
 Has anyone had experience burying an LCD display in a wall, so as to hide 
 the frame and/or crop the image to a desired aspect ratio? Our curators and 
 designers (not responsible for the well-being of the equipment) are keen on 
 the idea, as it will no doubt give the exhibition a nice clean look. However 
 as the technical producer, I feel very uncomfortable putting any piece of 
 equipment someplace I can't get to it, i.e. behind taped and painted seams.  
 Even if you were guaranteed the equipment would have adequate ventilation, 
 would you agree to install equipment without maintenance access?
 
 The question I'm often asked is, will you need to get to it? To which I 
 respond, I shouldn't, but I might. It's true, but it feels like a flimsy 
 answer, so I'm curious to know how others have handled this situation, or 
 how you would handle it.
 
 Thanks so much,
 George
 
 ??
 
 GEORGE SCHAROUN
 Technical Producer, Gallery Media
 Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
 gscharoun at mfa.org | 617-369-3512
 http://www.mfa.org
 
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[MCN-L] Embedding LCD screens in new walls?

2013-09-16 Thread Leonard Steinbach
Hello George,

First off I am not sure I would use the answer I shouldnt, but I might --
the real answer, IMHO, is yes, I will, but I dont know when

Perhaps an alternative is a screen with extremely small bezel, such as
those which fall under Samsung's LFD (large format display) category.
 (There must be others from LG, Sony, etc...)

These are really quite beautiful and functional and at 11mm bezel, there is
nothing much an in-wall installation would hide.

http://www.samsunglfd.com/product/productList.do?subMenu=1cateSeq=23



http://www.samsunglfd.com/product/productList.do?subMenu=1cateSeq=23


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 11:40 AM, George Scharoun GScharoun at mfa.org wrote:

 Has anyone had experience burying an LCD display in a wall, so as to hide
 the frame and/or crop the image to a desired aspect ratio? Our curators and
 designers (not responsible for the well-being of the equipment) are keen on
 the idea, as it will no doubt give the exhibition a nice clean look.
 However as the technical producer, I feel very uncomfortable putting any
 piece of equipment someplace I can't get to it, i.e. behind taped and
 painted seams.  Even if you were guaranteed the equipment would have
 adequate ventilation, would you agree to install equipment without
 maintenance access?

 The question I'm often asked is, will you need to get to it? To which I
 respond, I shouldn't, but I might. It's true, but it feels like a flimsy
 answer, so I'm curious to know how others have handled this situation, or
 how you would handle it.

 Thanks so much,
 George

 ??

 GEORGE SCHAROUN
 Technical Producer, Gallery Media
 Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
 gscharoun at mfa.org | 617-369-3512
 http://www.mfa.org

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[MCN-L] Embedding LCD screens in new walls?

2013-09-16 Thread Rich Cherry
I would go for an inwall mount like this:
http://www.mountsdirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_17products_id=632osCsid=bf329e9a14afd1e965d7fd97102defef

Alos is this for a long term exhibit or a 3-4 month one?  I  would
obviously be more concerned on a long one.

Rich


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 8:40 AM, George Scharoun GScharoun at mfa.org wrote:

 Has anyone had experience burying an LCD display in a wall, so as to hide
 the frame and/or crop the image to a desired aspect ratio? Our curators and
 designers (not responsible for the well-being of the equipment) are keen on
 the idea, as it will no doubt give the exhibition a nice clean look.
 However as the technical producer, I feel very uncomfortable putting any
 piece of equipment someplace I can't get to it, i.e. behind taped and
 painted seams.  Even if you were guaranteed the equipment would have
 adequate ventilation, would you agree to install equipment without
 maintenance access?

 The question I'm often asked is, will you need to get to it? To which I
 respond, I shouldn't, but I might. It's true, but it feels like a flimsy
 answer, so I'm curious to know how others have handled this situation, or
 how you would handle it.

 Thanks so much,
 George

 ??

 GEORGE SCHAROUN
 Technical Producer, Gallery Media
 Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
 gscharoun at mfa.org | 617-369-3512
 http://www.mfa.org

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[MCN-L] Embedding LCD screens in new walls?

2013-09-16 Thread Koven Smith
I tend to agree with previous posters--heat is your biggest problem with a
recessed mount like that, and if you don't account for it, you'll need to
access the device(s) a lot more often. In the Greek and Roman galleries at
the Met, we built out casework that swung out for easy access, but allowed
for passive air flow from bottom to top. You can (kind of) see them in this
image: http://bit.ly/165xWS9. Touch screens take so much abuse that I think
you need to work from the assumption that you'll be accessing them all the
time, whether to update the software or change out hardware or whatever.
Good luck!

Koven

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On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:40 AM, George Scharoun GScharoun at mfa.org wrote:

 Has anyone had experience burying an LCD display in a wall, so as to hide
 the frame and/or crop the image to a desired aspect ratio? Our curators and
 designers (not responsible for the well-being of the equipment) are keen on
 the idea, as it will no doubt give the exhibition a nice clean look.
 However as the technical producer, I feel very uncomfortable putting any
 piece of equipment someplace I can't get to it, i.e. behind taped and
 painted seams.  Even if you were guaranteed the equipment would have
 adequate ventilation, would you agree to install equipment without
 maintenance access?

 The question I'm often asked is, will you need to get to it? To which I
 respond, I shouldn't, but I might. It's true, but it feels like a flimsy
 answer, so I'm curious to know how others have handled this situation, or
 how you would handle it.

 Thanks so much,
 George

 ??

 GEORGE SCHAROUN
 Technical Producer, Gallery Media
 Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
 gscharoun at mfa.org | 617-369-3512
 http://www.mfa.org

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[MCN-L] Embedding LCD screens in new walls?

2013-09-16 Thread Bryan Kennedy
You need a door for access. Why?

   - What if the content changes? The content always changes.
   - Typos?
   - Hardware failure. We've had several high quality displays fail on us
   one month into a show. We've had several computers fail on us during the
   middle of a show. We haven't had many media players fail on us in the
   middle of a show, but it's happened.

You need a fan or vent for heat. Why?

Here's a little experiment you might consider. Poke a hole in the box the
monitor came in. Run the power and display cable through the hole. Plug
everything in and put the monitor in the box and turn it on. Give it 8
hours and see how hot the box gets. For better instrumentation, put a Hobo
temp logger in the box and check if the monitor is living within it's heat
specs. Run this by your fire marshall.


All of that being said, I think you can make some very discrete and flush
doors for media displays. If you really need the monitor built into a flush
surface with no doors, at least run long cables to it and make the media
player or computer accessible from a doored location. I'd be very worried
about building a monitor and player into a taped off painted wall with no
access.

I love the idea of working to make the media devices disappear from view,
but accessibility for maintenance is an important requirement in this
challenge.

bk

ps - If you do have to make a monitor stick out from the wall more than a
few inches, make sure to add a foot rail so that visitors with canes and
low vision aren't able to run into the protrusion.


bryan kennedy
director, exhibit media
science museum of minnesota
bkennedy at smm.org   651.221.2522



On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Rich Cherry
rcherry at museumsandtheweb.comwrote:

 I would go for an inwall mount like this:

 http://www.mountsdirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_17products_id=632osCsid=bf329e9a14afd1e965d7fd97102defef

 Alos is this for a long term exhibit or a 3-4 month one?  I  would
 obviously be more concerned on a long one.

 Rich


 On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 8:40 AM, George Scharoun GScharoun at mfa.org
 wrote:

  Has anyone had experience burying an LCD display in a wall, so as to hide
  the frame and/or crop the image to a desired aspect ratio? Our curators
 and
  designers (not responsible for the well-being of the equipment) are keen
 on
  the idea, as it will no doubt give the exhibition a nice clean look.
  However as the technical producer, I feel very uncomfortable putting any
  piece of equipment someplace I can't get to it, i.e. behind taped and
  painted seams.  Even if you were guaranteed the equipment would have
  adequate ventilation, would you agree to install equipment without
  maintenance access?
 
  The question I'm often asked is, will you need to get to it? To which I
  respond, I shouldn't, but I might. It's true, but it feels like a
 flimsy
  answer, so I'm curious to know how others have handled this situation, or
  how you would handle it.
 
  Thanks so much,
  George
 
  ??
 
  GEORGE SCHAROUN
  Technical Producer, Gallery Media
  Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
  gscharoun at mfa.org | 617-369-3512
  http://www.mfa.org
 
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