Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for clarification/translation

2007-10-02 Thread Robert Bigham
Hello folks: I sent this or tried to a few days ago, and something must have happened to it, so here it is again (at least for me, if not for you). This must be your first time. Some of the jargon used on this board is just impenetrable, at least for me. What does it mean? In English? I

Re: [MBZ] W108 4.5: The nightmare begins

2007-10-02 Thread David Bruckmann
Thank you one and all for your replies re: the nightmare W108. I will keep you all abreast of developments. On the bright side, at least rust isn't on the list of issues. This is a major novelty for a Canadian. Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever put a 617 in a W108? Since it fit in the

Re: [MBZ] Vega Blocks

2007-10-02 Thread Peter Frederick
One of my co-workers had one in the 70s when he was in the military. Totaled it by hitting a steer that wandered out one night on Hwy 60 near Ft. Knox -- knocked the steer over and it sorta squashed the car. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for clarification/translation

2007-10-02 Thread Peter Frederick
ALDA is short hand for Altitude Compensator (MB official terminology, actually). Pressure sensor on the injection pump to automatically compensate for atmospheric pressure on NA diesels and to add fuel with added boost on turbos. IIRC is if I remember correctly the first one is just what it

Re: [MBZ] W108 4.5: The nightmare begins

2007-10-02 Thread Peter Frederick
That was common in Europe. Performance is about the same between the six and the turbo 617, loggy compared to the 4.5. It will drop right in, but you need a different length front driveshaft, I think. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for clarification/translation

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Cathey
ALDA is short hand for Altitude Compensator (MB official terminology, actually). Pressure sensor on the injection pump to automatically compensate for atmospheric pressure on NA diesels and to add fuel with added boost on turbos. It's an acronym for the German name for the dingus. The

Re: [MBZ] Diesel values still inflated?

2007-10-02 Thread Wray Stanley
ernest breakfield wrote: as for inflated, that might just be a matter of perspective; i'd like to think that i got mine when they were just 'undervalued', and most Amerikuns are only just now beginning to appreciate the true value of a good MBZ diesel. ;-) What is the typical 25

Re: [MBZ] Diesel values still inflated?

2007-10-02 Thread Zoltan Finks
Actually, yes, we have found that VW diesels are severely overpriced. More overpriced it seems than MBs are. As to whether the price is on the upswing or on the down, I don't know. Brian On 10/1/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dave walton wrote: Most of the Veggie-Oilers are

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for clarification/translation

2007-10-02 Thread Zoltan Finks
Thanks, Robert. As another non internet savvy guy, I have wondered what YMMV means, or whatever it is that you guys use. And Robert, wait 'til you see SWMBO. Brian On 10/1/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ALDA is short hand for Altitude Compensator (MB official terminology,

Re: [MBZ] S500 with bulletproof glass and body armor

2007-10-02 Thread Jeff Zedic
Also, the Canadian gov't wouldn't use a Mercedes. They only use locally built dreck...poor fools. You can tell if it's bullet proof glass because the glass is approximately 27mm thick! It's five panes thick not two. The armored cars are very heavy and the glass is a funny green colouryou'll

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for clarification/translation

2007-10-02 Thread Jeff Zedic
=IIRC = if I remember correctly BTW, = by the way SWMBO = she who must be obeyed, probbably taken from the original Star Trek series YMMV = you mileage may vary WTF = what the firetruck?!?!?!? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for clarification/translation

2007-10-02 Thread Zoltan Finks
Not that this is the forum for to share this, but I will anyway: A thought occurred to me the other day as my wife and I were in the drug store: I heard two loud talking younger people with piercings and appropriate accompanying dress discussing something. The boy was talking about some encounter

Re: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp

2007-10-02 Thread OK Don
Ahhh -- Then you need to get up to four, so you can compromise back down to three! I have finally convinced mine that we need one more car than drivers, and that it's less expensive than keeping one new car per driver. On 10/1/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Want to? Yeah, I might,

Re: [MBZ] '83 300SD radiator

2007-10-02 Thread Rusty Cullens
$236.00 aftermarket $269.00 genuine Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:05 PM Subject: [MBZ] '83 300SD radiator

Re: [MBZ] W108 4.5: The nightmare begins

2007-10-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
Yep, used to have one here with a 617 non turbo installed. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: David Bruckmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W108 4.5:

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for clarification/translation

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Cathey
SWMBO = she who must be obeyed, probbably taken from the original Star Trek series Rumpole of the Bailey, IIRC. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for clarification/translation

2007-10-02 Thread John Robbins
Jim Cathey wrote: SWMBO = she who must be obeyed, probbably taken from the original Star Trek series Rumpole of the Bailey, IIRC. Wikipedia mostly agrees http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumpole_of_the_Bailey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_%28novel%29

Re: [MBZ] S500 with bulletproof glass and body armor

2007-10-02 Thread E M
And I don't think the AMG rims,or more tires are up to the job of the extra weight of an armored car. Ed 300E On 02/10/2007, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, the Canadian gov't wouldn't use a Mercedes. They only use locally built dreck...poor fools. You can tell if it's bullet proof

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for clarification/translation

2007-10-02 Thread Rick Knoble
Thanks, Robert. As another non internet savvy guy, I have wondered what YMMV means, or whatever it is that you guys use. And Robert, wait 'til you see SWMBO. Brian Your Mileage May Vary. It means I came to X conclusion or got X result, however YOU may not. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for clarification/translation

2007-10-02 Thread LarryT
Maybe this will help - http://www.netlingo.com/emailsh.cfm AFAIK - As Far As I know LOL - Laughing Out Loud YMMV - Your mileage may vary TDC - Top Dead Center TPS - Three pointed star there's so many that are specific to cars and Mercedes' I won;t try to list them all. If there;s one you can't

Re: [MBZ] Chrysler diesels

2007-10-02 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 10/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd rather have it with the CDI V6 from the E-class. A friend, just back from a three week European trip reports seeing many new Chrysler 300 diesels powered by this engine. Not enough power for a pickup. Sez who? I don't care about

Re: [MBZ] Chrysler diesels

2007-10-02 Thread Tom Hargrave
We are in a 20 year long horsepower revolution, driven mostly by America's love for performance. We are to the point where any major brand delivers excellent performance for a little more money, you can buy a hot rod from any major manufacturer. Most younger car buyers don't understand this and

Re: [MBZ] Chrysler diesels

2007-10-02 Thread Rich Thomas
Today you can get a screamer that gets pretty decent fuel efficiency, runs much much cleaner, is quite reliable and tractable, handles (and stops) well, much safer, and still pretty reasonable price. Or if you want to hot rod one yourself, parts are reasonable, and you still get most of the

Re: [MBZ] Chrysler diesels

2007-10-02 Thread Tom Hargrave
That's today and is the result of the horsepoer revolution I mentioned, let's see what happens over the next 2 - 3 years. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/02/07 12:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re:

Re: [MBZ] overused shorthand

2007-10-02 Thread RELNGSON
SWMBO = she who must be obeyed, probbably taken from the original Star Trek series Star Trek? Oh my goodness gracious sakes. RLE ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see

Re: [MBZ] Diesel values still inflated?

2007-10-02 Thread ernest breakfield
dangerous question; the answer is it depends, it depends on what your idea of typical is, and whole lot of other things. i've seen 300Ds that had over 250K miles on them and didn't have a straight panel on them go for $5K around here, while i've seen obviously used ones go for mere

Re: [MBZ] The Sprinter

2007-10-02 Thread George Larribeau
One of my neighbors has a nice camper made from a sprinter, sort of a modern VW camper. Pricey for what they are, but I sure do like them. George Larribeau Dallas Texas - Original Message - From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent:

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for, clarification/translation

2007-10-02 Thread MG
IIRC, SWMBO comes from Rumpole of the Bailey It was what he used to refer to his wife 'She Who Must Be Obeyed' Yes he said it with capital letters. Manfred 83' 300D Reply to; =IIRC = if I remember correctly BTW, = by the way SWMBO = she who must be obeyed, probbably taken from the

[MBZ] Injectors - decided to keep old ones ..

2007-10-02 Thread George Larribeau
I have replaced my injectors recently and have decided to keep the old ones as spares. The core value is $17 each and came to the conclusion that I want to keep them. I intend to have them serviced locally. The replacement injectors had BOSH stamped on them with India stamped on the lower

Re: [MBZ] overused shorthand

2007-10-02 Thread John M McIntosh
No it's earlier than that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_(novel) On Oct 2, 2007, at 11:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SWMBO = she who must be obeyed, probbably taken from the original Star Trek series Star Trek? Oh my goodness gracious sakes. RLE

Re: [MBZ] Injectors - decided to keep old ones ..

2007-10-02 Thread Mitch Haley
George Larribeau wrote: It is most likely that my old injectors will need new nozzles. I have seen another nozzle provider that is Italian Bosio, I believe. Any one ever mess with this?? Common wisdom is that a German nozzle with 250k miles and no damage is far superior to a brand new

[MBZ] Vacuum Pump W124 91 300D 2.5T

2007-10-02 Thread LarryT
Howdy all - Just finished replacing my vacuum pump. With 140k on this one I thought it was time to play it safe. The instructions in the WSM are pretty brief. It's 43-0618 - if you need a copy let me know but it;s so basic as to be useless. Basically it shows a image of the pump and the

Re: [MBZ] '79 G wagen euro

2007-10-02 Thread Ed Booher
I drive by this lot every day, Chris has had this thing forever. A couple years at least Ed On 10/1/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can this have an Indiana title? Old enough to be exempt? Looks like a fun toy but pretty expensive.

[MBZ] Fuel Tank Vent?

2007-10-02 Thread R A Bennell
My 76 300D leaves a spot of fuel on the garage floor. I had assumed it was time to replace the hoses from the tank and got the same from Rusty. I have now crawled under and looked and discovered that the fuel hoses go out of the tank close to the middle on the front and do not appear to be

Re: [MBZ] Injectors - decided to keep old ones ..

2007-10-02 Thread Tom Hargrave
Age and miles of service really don't matter. You don't know if they need new nozzles until you test and adjust them. The spray pattern will tell you if they are worn out and the pressure at which they spray will tell you if you need to adjust the spring tension with shims. I have a pressure

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for clarification/translation

2007-10-02 Thread R A Bennell
Tis interesting. I have heard that another common expletive is originally related to criminal charges For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. If that is true, then one day some of these newer acronyms may well become words. I don't really think that GTFO is pronouncable. I also guess a lot of this has to

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for clarification/translation

2007-10-02 Thread Zoltan Finks
Oh okay. I thought Van Halen made that up. Brian Randy wrote: Tis interesting. I have heard that another common expletive is originally related to criminal charges For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for clarification/translation

2007-10-02 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 10/2/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh okay. I thought Van Halen made that up. They didn't, but somebody else did. It's no more the correct etymology of the word than is Fix It Again, Tony for FIAT. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Vega Blocks Aluminum Heads and GM (on a cl ear day you can see .)

2007-10-02 Thread George Larribeau
The Vega (like the Corvair) was a corporate answer to the need for an 'inexpensive' 'economical' car. Unlikely that there was a lot of development time in these projects. Early Vegas had as we now say in the electronics industry poor Mean Time Between Failures (MTBF). Many on the software

[MBZ] Think I stained my shorts

2007-10-02 Thread Redghost
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/437899194.html All I can say is WOW! This is a beauty. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for clarification/translation

2007-10-02 Thread R A Bennell
So fill us in. What is the origin of the word?? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 5:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for

Re: [MBZ] Think I stained my shorts

2007-10-02 Thread R A Bennell
Very nice but a collector's car rather than a daily driver unless one is much more of an eccentric than even most of us are. Nice to look at but I don't think I want one. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, October

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for clarification/translation

2007-10-02 Thread Marshall Booth
Peter Frederick wrote: ALDA is short hand for Altitude Compensator (MB official terminology, actually). Pressure sensor on the injection pump to automatically compensate for atmospheric pressure on NA diesels and to add fuel with added boost on turbos. The altitude compensator on

Re: [MBZ] Think I stained my shorts

2007-10-02 Thread Robert Rentfro
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph! I'd drive that ALL DAY. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 4:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Think I stained my shorts Very nice but a

[MBZ] Vent Hoses again

2007-10-02 Thread R A Bennell
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[MBZ] Road Trip

2007-10-02 Thread R A Bennell
gets through Kaleb) Randy -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Bay at SN Oct 1 07.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 966886 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071002/6a45756c/attachment.jpg

Re: [MBZ] Think I stained my shorts

2007-10-02 Thread Tom Hargrave
$48,500 is actually not a bad prce for the car if it's as nice as it looks. I own a hard top, 4 door version of the same car I wish its value was somewhere close! Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/02/07 06:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion

[MBZ] Early Oct. CL list

2007-10-02 Thread Redghost
With my oldest getting closer to drivers ed, I am stalking something for me to drive. Found a few interesting things you may need. http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/437520618.html - 87 TD http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/437441260.html -- MOG $11k

Re: [MBZ] Think I stained my shorts

2007-10-02 Thread Redghost
It would be a tail wagon. On the rare sunny day in Seattle I could cruise the junior colleges and troll for arm candy clay On 2 Oct 2007, at 16:13, Robert Rentfro wrote: Jesus, Mary, and Joseph! I'd drive that ALL DAY. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] Vent Hoses again

2007-10-02 Thread Redghost
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Re: [MBZ] Vega Blocks Aluminum Heads and GM (on a clear day you can see .)

2007-10-02 Thread Tom Hargrave
I rode my 92 Harley Davidson home with no oil. I blew out the bottom of the timing chest figured that the damage was already done. I went 35 miles, no problem but the engine would not turn over after I stopped it. The total damage was about $4,960. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message

Re: [MBZ] Think I stained my shorts

2007-10-02 Thread Redghost
there are a few of those around here (hardtop) and they command a higher price even as rusted junk. Somebody is selling them for around $7k in need of complete overhaul. I will keep looking for the pagodas though clay On 2 Oct 2007, at 16:24, Tom Hargrave wrote: $48,500 is actually

Re: [MBZ] Early Oct. CL list

2007-10-02 Thread Mitch Haley
Redghost wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/car/436363202.html -- 84 16v 5spd Looks like a 16v. Underhood looks correct, including SLS pump and reservoir. No interior pics. Can't tell if the wing has a USA 3rd brake light in it. Euro lights. If it's a 1984 US car, then it's a clone.

Re: [MBZ] W 108 The Nightmare Begins

2007-10-02 Thread Loren Faeth
MB windows have 3 main failure points. of these, 1 is specific to electric windows, and one is related to manual AND electric windows. 1. Motor failure. Find a good replacement at a junkyard, or buy a new one from Rusty. 2. The above described rivet failure. I have had this only in

[MBZ] Almost famous! Family cars featured by MB

2007-10-02 Thread Loren Faeth
My daughter sent me a link to this website. in the banner, the next to the right photo is a black and white rendition of my daughters 82 380SL before it got crunched and my son's 110 1966 200D 2.4 . Photo was taken a few years ago at Lincoln Highway Days car show at a nearby town.

Re: [MBZ] Think I stained my shorts

2007-10-02 Thread Hendrik Fay
I don't know what the situation is in the US but over here old muscle cars of the late 60's and 70's are getting crazy prices. My theory is that the people who really love them are now cashed up due to the economic boom and are spending up big on their dream cars. Like this one which is only a

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for, clarification/translation

2007-10-02 Thread OK Don
That's my recollection as well. On 10/2/07, MG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC, SWMBO comes from Rumpole of the Bailey It was what he used to refer to his wife 'She Who Must Be Obeyed' Yes he said it with capital letters. Manfred 83' 300D -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds

Re: [MBZ] Road Trip

2007-10-02 Thread OK Don
Beautiful place !!! Photo attached was taken off the end of our dock on October 1 at a little after 8 AM. (Assuming the photo gets through Kaleb) Randy Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071002/6a45756c/attachment.jpg

Re: [MBZ] Road Trip

2007-10-02 Thread Wonko the Sane
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for, clarification/translation

2007-10-02 Thread Wonko the Sane
You guys watch too much PBS. (Me too.) On 10/2/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's my recollection as well. On 10/2/07, MG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC, SWMBO comes from Rumpole of the Bailey It was what he used to refer to his wife 'She Who Must Be Obeyed' Yes he said it with

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Jargon: Request for, clarification/translation

2007-10-02 Thread Wonko the Sane
If anything ever happens to this marriage (#2), the #3 (if it happened) would have to be referred to as She Who Strives To Make HIM Happy. Come to think of it, I've already got that now. On 10/2/07, MG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC, SWMBO comes from Rumpole of the Bailey It was what he used to

Re: [MBZ] Think I stained my shorts

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Cathey
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/437899194.html All I can say is WOW! This is a beauty. Boise. It's dry(ish) down there, a car has a chance of living awhile. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:

Re: [MBZ] '79 G wagen euro

2007-10-02 Thread Allan Streib
Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I drive by this lot every day, Chris has had this thing forever. A couple years at least I guess he does not want to move too badly otherwise he would not be asking $15K for a rusty 27 year old utility 4x4. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230

Re: [MBZ] Fuel Tank Vent?

2007-10-02 Thread Peter Frederick
It's the same stuff. The expansion tank is inside the trunk, and the vent itself (on a W115 chassis) is hidden by the rear bumper on the right side. On the W123 chassis, there is another hose that comes down to a flared rubber valve fitting near the rear axle. Peter

Re: [MBZ] W 108 The Nightmare Begins

2007-10-02 Thread Peter Frederick
W108/109 electric regulators suffer from excessive tooth wear on the rack, mostly due to distortion of the aluminum motor housing and/or failure to shim it square. This causes the helical gear on the motor to rub the teeth off the rack, allowing the window to drop. Very,very common (as in

Re: [MBZ] W 108 The Nightmare Begins

2007-10-02 Thread Loren Faeth
I have some good 108 regulators. I don't remember if the car has electric or manual, but i think electric. All the electric regulators fail on the teeth, at least on the models I have seen123 and 126 mostly. They are for sale, if anyone needs them Loren At 08:45 PM 10/2/2007, you

[MBZ] w109 seals

2007-10-02 Thread M.Affzaal.Khan
Hi Rusty require all 4door seals for the 300sel and also the chrome Side mouldings for both sides . 4 pieces per side. Please Do let me know if available. mak ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:

Re: [MBZ] Almost famous! Family cars featured by MB

2007-10-02 Thread Wonko the Sane
You ready to play Let's Make A Deal for Quantum vs. TE? On 10/2/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My daughter sent me a link to this website. in the banner, the next to the right photo is a black and white rendition of my daughters 82 380SL before it got crunched and my son's 110 1966

Re: [MBZ] Diesel values still inflated?

2007-10-02 Thread archer
From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] dangerous question; the answer is it depends, it depends on what your idea of typical is, and whole lot of other things. i've seen 300Ds that had over 250K miles on them and didn't have a straight panel on them go for $5K around here, while i've