Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list

2008-10-24 Thread Rich Thomas
Until the 2 people left there go at each other. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: At least you are safe. *Crime in Rolla (2005):* - 0 murders (0.0 per 100,000) - 0 rapes (0.0 per 100,000) - 0 robberies (0.0 per 100,000) - 0 assaults (0.0 per 100,000) - 0 burglaries (0.0 per 100,000)

Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list

2008-10-24 Thread Donald Snook
Kaleb wrote: Im sitting in Rolla, KS I didn't know there was a Rolla in Kansas. I know where Rolla, Missouri is. Where is Rolla, Kansas. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used

Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list

2008-10-24 Thread kaleb
yea, pretty close Bleak, very small village, grain elevators along a highway and railroad. Wilton - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: [MBZ] quiz for the list Im sitting in Rolla, KS, guess

Re: [MBZ] W124 hose question

2008-10-24 Thread kaleb
yea, it catches the overflow from the overflow Ya talking about the plastic tank on top of the rt front fender, with rad cap on it? 'Didn't know there's ANOTHER OVERFLOW tank under the fender somewhere. Kaleb? Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] '76SL left underside exhaust manifold bolts

2008-10-24 Thread Loren Faeth
Is what you are talking about an S wrench? Snappy might carry such a thing. I used to have a 1/2 x 9/16 antique S wrench and it was helpful in adjusting valves on Ironhead Diesels. If the design is more like a distributor wrench, snappy might have that also. I agree with Jim, it is likely

Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list

2008-10-24 Thread Loren Faeth
And Deal's Orchard. For a little drive to Ralston, he could see one of the larger BioDiesel refineries. At 09:07 PM 10/23/2008, you wrote: No place is boring if you just look around and get involved in what is there to be seen. If time had permitted, Debbie and I could have watched Kleb Jr.

Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list

2008-10-24 Thread kaleb
hahahahah Wonko the Sane wrote: snip Next trip to Jefferson, block off about six hours to see what is really here. Then remember it is the FIRST town you know EVERYTHING about in 6 hours. :D Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see

Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list

2008-10-24 Thread kaleb
its so flat here i can see wonko from here Looking west, Colorado...Looking east, Wonko? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] quiz for the

Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list

2008-10-24 Thread kaleb
About 6 miles from colorado, 6 miles from OK.If that gives you the idea Kaleb wrote: Im sitting in Rolla, KS I didn't know there was a Rolla in Kansas. I know where Rolla, Missouri is. Where is Rolla, Kansas. Donald H. Snook ___

Re: [MBZ] W124 hose question

2008-10-24 Thread Alex Chamberlain
Ya talking about the plastic tank on top of the rt front fender, with rad cap on it? 'Didn't know there's ANOTHER OVERFLOW tank under the fender somewhere. Kaleb? Actually on 603-engine cars it's analogous to the open vacuum line that leads nowhere inside the dashboard---it's a controlled

Re: [MBZ] '76SL left underside exhaust manifold bolts

2008-10-24 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is what you are talking about an S wrench? Snappy might carry such a thing. They're hard to find, but I've seen them at NAPA, and GearWrench even makes a ratcheting version IIRC! Alex ___

Re: [MBZ] OT-classical music

2008-10-24 Thread Wonko the Sane
Listening to it right now in the office. On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: My classical music station is WCPE-FM, 89.7; also on internet 24/7 at theclassicalstation.org Wilton -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get

Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list

2008-10-24 Thread Wilton Strickland
Far, SW corner of KS. BTW, Kaleb, have all the stores there that closed because of the dust in '33/ 34 reopened, or some still abandoned? Wilton - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008

Re: [MBZ] W124 hose question

2008-10-24 Thread Wilton Strickland
So, is there ANOTHER tank under the one on top of the rt front fender? 'Thought you were talking about the hose immediately under the rad cap on top of the small tank on the fender. Pour some water in this overfow hose and see if it runs out on the ground under the car. Wilton - Original

Re: [MBZ] Coolant overflow

2008-10-24 Thread Wilton Strickland
A flaw? I think its a very commendable characteristic to just want things RIGHT. Lack thereof may be FLAWED. ;-)) Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:48 PM

Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list

2008-10-24 Thread Bill R
Yes, probably, but he is tall enough that that is not a big surprise. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 9:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list its so

Re: [MBZ] W124 hose question

2008-10-24 Thread harry watkins
There is a tank at the end of that hose, a little larger than a football. You have to remove the inner fender to see it, just a few screws. Harry - Original Message - From: Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October

[MBZ] W123 Rariety

2008-10-24 Thread Rolf
There is a guy on benzworld claiming to be in the process of buying a 1983 300D 5spd and SLS. What a dream. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w123-e-ce-d-cd-td/1404573-83-non-turbo-300d-motor-swap.html#post3123392 Someone just trade him a 190d 2.5 turbo already before he does bad things to that

Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list

2008-10-24 Thread Donald Snook
Kaleb wrote: About 6 miles from colorado, 6 miles from OK.If that gives you the idea Oh, Ok. The people who live out there call that God's Country. You are near Elkhart, Kansas. I don't know why they call it God's country - I spent a whole week out there and while it may be not hell out

Re: [MBZ] W124 hose question

2008-10-24 Thread Wilton Strickland
Thanks. Wilton - Original Message - From: harry watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 hose question There is a tank at the end of that hose, a little larger than a football. You

Re: [MBZ] secret message for wacko the insane - travelling music

2008-10-24 Thread andrew strasfogel
His 11 kids? On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes you think Bach's organ was used extensively? :) Luther OK Don wrote: Play on the word organ. On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So he could have his music published

Re: [MBZ] W123 Rariety

2008-10-24 Thread andrew strasfogel
4 FW speeds and one Reverse = 5. On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a guy on benzworld claiming to be in the process of buying a 1983 300D 5spd and SLS. What a dream.

Re: [MBZ] W123 Rariety

2008-10-24 Thread Rolf
There is that chance, but with SLS? I am betting its the real deal. -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: 4 FW speeds and one Reverse = 5. On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a guy on benzworld claiming to be in the process of buying a 1983 300D 5spd and

[MBZ] jittery speedo, W23 300 turbodiesel

2008-10-24 Thread andrew strasfogel
I just noticed that my speedometer is jitterbugging at cruising speeds in the 20 - 45 mph range (not at idle). What gives? Why me?? Andrew 1983 300TD 320 K miles and climbing ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:

Re: [MBZ] jittery speedo, W23 300 turbodiesel

2008-10-24 Thread Jim Cathey
I just noticed that my speedometer is jitterbugging at cruising speeds in the 20 - 45 mph range (not at idle). What gives? Cable kinked, or wearing out. Check that it's not kinked and lube it. A jittery speedo _should_ result in spastic cruise control behavior. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list

2008-10-24 Thread Jim Cathey
I don't know why they call it God's country As in: Nobody to talk to out here but? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change

Re: [MBZ] jittery speedo, W23 300 turbodiesel

2008-10-24 Thread andrew strasfogel
But would it prevent the CC from engaging at all? At highway speeds the needle is calm. On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just noticed that my speedometer is jitterbugging at cruising speeds in the 20 - 45 mph range (not at idle). What gives? Cable

Re: [MBZ] secret message for wacko the insane - travelling music

2008-10-24 Thread Luther
11? Give the man credit, he fathered way more. Try 20 that were actually born, only 10 survived to copy his music. Luther, plays and sings Bach at least 10 times a year andrew strasfogel wrote: His 11 kids? On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes

Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list

2008-10-24 Thread Frederick W Moir
At 09:44 PM 10/23/2008, you wrote: Im sitting in Rolla, KS, guess what kind of scenery I get to look at Geez! That's corny! Fred Moir ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email

Re: [MBZ] W123 Rariety

2008-10-24 Thread Mathieu J . Cama
They do exist. I had one, albeit an '84. Euro, 5 speed, SLS in the rear. Neat car with some unusual options including factory tow package, ABS. Sold it a couple of years back, this fellow just HAD to have it. 30 MPG and cruise 90 mph all day long. I really liked that car. Mathieu On

Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list

2008-10-24 Thread Curt Raymond
Don't do the bell tower on an 80 degree day in August, it doesn't have much for ventilation but the view is really nice. The Junck store is pretty cool, lots of antiques and stuff made from old junck. The tea room is also neat although we just looked at the stuff for sale we didn't eat (or have

Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list

2008-10-24 Thread kaleb
Not much open around here. Far, SW corner of KS. BTW, Kaleb, have all the stores there that closed because of the dust in '33/ 34 reopened, or some still abandoned? Wilton - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] W124 hose question

2008-10-24 Thread kaleb
Its supposed to run into a recovery tank in the fender. Its on all 124's etc and later 126's So, is there ANOTHER tank under the one on top of the rt front fender? 'Thought you were talking about the hose immediately under the rad cap on top of the small tank on the fender. Pour some water

Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list

2008-10-24 Thread kaleb
Yea, near elkhart, and Hugoton. Just returned from Oklahoma where a huge feed yard is for cows. Took the boys down there to ride around on the tractor and feed truck etc with my step dad. Kaleb wrote: About 6 miles from colorado, 6 miles from OK.If that gives you the idea Oh, Ok. The

Re: [MBZ] '76SL left underside exhaust manifold bolts

2008-10-24 Thread R A Bennell
I always thought a starter wrench was a box end wrench with an arc to it. Usually 1/2 on one end and 9/16 on the other. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:59 AM To: Mercedes Discussion

Re: [MBZ] W123 Rariety

2008-10-24 Thread andrew strasfogel
30 mpg is actually 33 percent too modest! Not to quibble, but if you could cruise at 90 mph all day long that would imply a fuel economy of 90 miles/hour X 8 hr. = 720 miles/18 gallons/tank or 40 mpg. On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Mathieu J. Cama [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: They do exist. I

Re: [MBZ] W123 Rariety

2008-10-24 Thread Rolf
What hard to believe about 30mpg highway? Quite doable imo. Euro car is lighter, even with the SLS. If you turning sub 2500rpm at cruising speed that seems quite reasonable. -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: 30 mpg is actually 33 percent too modest! Not to quibble, but if you could cruise at 90

Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list

2008-10-24 Thread Wonko the Sane
The Bell Tower is air conditioned in hot weather. Shame you didn't eat at Angie's Tea Garden -- really good, gourmet food, everything made from scratch. On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't do the bell tower on an 80 degree day in August, it doesn't have

[MBZ] Harbor Freight annoyance

2008-10-24 Thread Allan Streib
Anyone else have the experience of receiving a shipment from Harbor Freight, thumbing through the enclosed flyer and seeing the SAME items you just ordered on sale for $10 less??? Has happened to me twice now. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight annoyance

2008-10-24 Thread R A Bennell
Do they readily fix it if you ask them to? Randy who has a similar issue with another company and is about to follow up on it too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 12:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion

Re: [MBZ] W123 Rariety

2008-10-24 Thread John Robbins
andrew strasfogel wrote: Not to quibble, but if you could cruise at 90 mph all day long that would imply a fuel economy of 90 miles/hour X 8 hr. = 720 miles/18 gallons/tank or 40 mpg. I can just about do that in my CDI... Drove 80-85 across New Mexico and got 37mpg. :) John

Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight annoyance

2008-10-24 Thread John Robbins
Allan Streib wrote: Anyone else have the experience of receiving a shipment from Harbor Freight, thumbing through the enclosed flyer and seeing the SAME items you just ordered on sale for $10 less??? Has happened to me twice now. Can't you call and get a credit? Most stores will do that...

Re: [MBZ] W123 Rariety

2008-10-24 Thread andrew strasfogel
Her 1985 300CD - fully loaded with household goods - got 29.xx mpg on the highway on a trip to Hilton Head from Atlanta (all highway miles) 10 years ago. Never done that since. On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:02 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Not to quibble,

Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight annoyance

2008-10-24 Thread andrew strasfogel
Just threaten to send them back! On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:03 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Anyone else have the experience of receiving a shipment from Harbor Freight, thumbing through the enclosed flyer and seeing the SAME items you just ordered on sale for

Re: [MBZ] W123 Rariety

2008-10-24 Thread John Robbins
andrew strasfogel wrote: Her 1985 300CD - fully loaded with household goods - got 29.xx mpg on the highway on a trip to Hilton Head from Atlanta (all highway miles) 10 years ago. Never done that since. How fast was she going though? ;) If I drove my '79 SD at 60mph I could get 28mpg... at

Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list

2008-10-24 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:27:55 -0500, Donald wrote: Kaleb wrote: Im sitting in Rolla, KS I didn't know there was a Rolla in Kansas. I know where Rolla, Missouri is. Where is Rolla, Kansas. There is also a Rolla ND, according to Rand McNally. -- Philip

[MBZ] T.Boone or T.Boner, an Okie story.

2008-10-24 Thread Mitch Haley
(found on the internet) You probably heard a few years ago that T. Boone Pickens, who chairs the hedge fund BP Capital Management, gave Oklahoma State a $165 million donation to be used all for helping the school's athletic program. And the largest portion of it was going to be used to beef

Re: [MBZ] W123 Rariety

2008-10-24 Thread andrew strasfogel
IIRC, around 65, on average. On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:32 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Her 1985 300CD - fully loaded with household goods - got 29.xx mpg on the highway on a trip to Hilton Head from Atlanta (all highway miles) 10 years ago. Never done

Re: [MBZ] T.Boone or T.Boner, an Okie story.

2008-10-24 Thread Rich Thomas
How much OU paying their football coach? Here in SC they just fired the coach and I think he still gets $3.5M to walk away. Meanwhile the state has a $488M shortfall and is spreading the misery around to the universities and everywhere else, but I doubt if that will affect the new coach's

Re: [MBZ] T.Boone or T.Boner, an Okie story.

2008-10-24 Thread Allan Streib
Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have no idea how in God's name they're going to get out of this. State schools don't exactly have an extra $300 million sitting around. They'll probably have to suck it up and do a bond issue. Typical result of having all your eggs in one basket, same

Re: [MBZ] T.Boone or T.Boner, an Okie story.

2008-10-24 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: How much OU paying their football coach? Here in SC they just fired the coach and I think he still gets $3.5M to walk away. College coaching contracts are totally one-sided, because the people on one side of the deal aren't spending their own money, and the taxpayers who

Re: [MBZ] T.Boone or T.Boner, an Okie story.

2008-10-24 Thread Loren Faeth
Small detail, the university involved was OSU, not OU. I have no sympathy for OU or NU... When I was in college, I don't think OU had one player under 28 on the collegiate team. OSU, on the other hand does not have the big bucks that OU has. It is somewhat similar here: U of I churns out

Re: [MBZ] W123 Rariety

2008-10-24 Thread Luther
My SDL has turned 30+mpg at 60mph. It's a solid 26-27mpg at 75mph with the cruise set. Luther Rolf wrote: What hard to believe about 30mpg highway? Quite doable imo. Euro car is lighter, even with the SLS. If you turning sub 2500rpm at cruising speed that seems quite reasonable. -Rolf

Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list

2008-10-24 Thread Curt Raymond
It sure wasn't when we were up there, it was stifling... Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:46:36 -0500 From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID:     [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain;

Re: [MBZ] W123 Rariety

2008-10-24 Thread Tim C.
Andrew, if he went 12 hour days like -my- boss says he'd have been getting 60mpg! Probably should have listed that baby on eBay. As for me, I'm too lazy to fix my 240d odometer, so I rarely break 0 mpg. The speedometer reads fast and reports I'm often over 80 MPH, so that's probably part of

[MBZ] Rear diff, one more time

2008-10-24 Thread Curt Raymond
One more time, what size allen key do I need for the rear diff plugs? Thanks -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change

Re: [MBZ] Rear diff, one more time

2008-10-24 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: One more time, what size allen key do I need for the rear diff plugs? The $9.99 12/14/17mm 1/2 drive socket set from A-zone does it, I think it's the 14mm. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:

Re: [MBZ] Rear diff, one more time

2008-10-24 Thread Curt Raymond
Sweet, I need to hit AZone for the oil anyway... -Curt --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear diff, one more time To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, October 24, 2008,

Re: [MBZ] jittery speedo, W23 300 turbodiesel

2008-10-24 Thread Jim Cathey
But would it prevent the CC from engaging at all? At highway speeds the needle is calm. Shouldn't. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To

[MBZ] W124 Timing Chain

2008-10-24 Thread LarryT
Howdy - What's the procedure for checking the Timing Chain stretch on my W124 (eng. 602-962)? Same as I used on my '78 240D W123? My '91 300D 2.5 Turbo has about 160,000 miles on it - while on a steady diet of Mobil 1 for the last 60K, unknown before that. Thanks! Sincerely,

[MBZ] Mamma Mia!!!

2008-10-24 Thread Rich Thomas
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/3255094/Italian-police-to-use-200mph-Lamborghini.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To

Re: [MBZ] Mamma Mia!!!

2008-10-24 Thread Wonko the Sane
I want video of their first pit maneuver. On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/3255094/Italian-police-to-use-200mph-Lamborghini.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For

Re: [MBZ] W124 Timing Chain

2008-10-24 Thread OK Don
Yup - it's the same. On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:07 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy - What's the procedure for checking the Timing Chain stretch on my W124 (eng. 602-962)? Same as I used on my '78 240D W123? My '91 300D 2.5 Turbo has about 160,000 miles on it - while on a

Re: [MBZ] Mamma Mia!!!

2008-10-24 Thread OK Don
I wonder if they're going to auction off the old one (2004 model). On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want video of their first pit maneuver. On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [MBZ] jittery speedo, W23 300 turbodiesel

2008-10-24 Thread andrew strasfogel
Dealer testing showed all FOUR of my junker amps were nonfunctional - the rest of the system checked out OK. On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But would it prevent the CC from engaging at all? At highway speeds the needle is calm. Shouldn't. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] T.Boone or T.Boner, an Okie story.

2008-10-24 Thread Chuck Landenberger
I signed up for the OU Insider Forum Here is what was there.. Chuck PS... I wonder what he expected to get out of the windmill/natural gas idea he's been spewing.. Along with the CEO of Chesapeake Natural Gas... ~~~ It Can Only Get Better

Re: [MBZ] jittery speedo, W23 300 turbodiesel

2008-10-24 Thread Jim Cathey
Dealer testing showed all FOUR of my junker amps were nonfunctional - the rest of the system checked out OK. Yeah, they're always bad, and resoldering always fixes them. Of course there are variations from this, but it's a safe bet if you don't know any better. -- Jim