Re: [MBZ] GM's bad ideas

2008-12-20 Thread Peter Arnold
Modified versions of Powerglides are used extensively in drag racing applications. They can be build to handle 1500 hp. Launch in low gear, 8ooorpm, snap into high and your gone. We hated them in their day for the poor 2 speed performance, never had one in a cool car. That being said they were

Re: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k originalmiles?Asking$2000 OBO

2008-12-20 Thread LarryT
You wrote a joy to drive on the highway. Super sweet between 90 and 100 mph, That always amazed me about all of the 3 W108s I owned - from 280SE (6 cyl) to 280SE 4.5 (2 of them) - once they got to 75-80 it was like getting into another car - the suspension changed - became very smooth and

Re: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k originalmiles? Asking$2000 OBO

2008-12-20 Thread LarryT
you are correct - super simple - whether in a MB or a MGB - the king pins in my MGB were trouble free for 350k miles.- but I got that car when it was less than 3 years old and had been pampered - the W108s I had were all at least 10 years old when I bought them - but still the king pin

Re: [MBZ] 4.5

2008-12-20 Thread LarryT
IIRC the 450 (W?) was heavier than the W108 body -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts Test Results - http://members.rennlist.com/oil/ http://www.scamfreetop10.com/1233.html . - Original Message - From:

[MBZ] OT Mice suspected in deadly cat fire

2008-12-20 Thread Rich Thomas
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Re: [MBZ] 4.5

2008-12-20 Thread Peter Frederick
W116. And rust was a worse enemy, they used Russian and Italian steel for most of them, since the Germans were striking during much of the production run. They were known rustbuckets in Germany, let alone here in the salty states! If you have a W108 with bad shocks, missing sway bar

[MBZ] Today's time waster

2008-12-20 Thread Rich Thomas
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Re: [MBZ] Windshield chip repair?

2008-12-20 Thread Wilton Strickland
'Had this done to my 81 300D 'bout 7 or 8 years ago. Wilton - Original Message - From: Euan goneb...@paradise.net.nz To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Windshield chip repair? Alex I'm afraid this answer

Re: [MBZ] Chevron Delo 400 Mobil Delvac 1300

2008-12-20 Thread Curt Raymond
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[MBZ] Torque converter vs fluid coupling

2008-12-20 Thread Curt Raymond
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Re: [MBZ] Torque converter vs fluid coupling

2008-12-20 Thread Peter Frederick
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Re: [MBZ] Torque converter vs fluid coupling

2008-12-20 Thread Jim Cathey
And, I might add, that a defective TC stator system turns a 450 SL into something more like a 240D, so far as off the line performance goes. Yet it drove fine at speed. BTDT. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com

[MBZ] Alternative to ePray?

2008-12-20 Thread Tom Hargrave
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[MBZ] MBZ Shutdown

2008-12-20 Thread Archer
Last Friday, the world came to a standstill in Stuttgart's Sindelfingen district. On normal days, about 1,500 trucks and 52 rail cars arrive at the Mercedes plant in Sindelfingen, carrying steel and glass, tires and dashboards, headlights and seats. More than 36,000 employees pass through the

[MBZ] Sleepin?

2008-12-20 Thread Curt Raymond
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Re: [MBZ] MBZ Shutdown

2008-12-20 Thread Rich Thomas
Will TARP money be used to bail them out too? --R Archer wrote: Last Friday, the world came to a standstill in Stuttgart's Sindelfingen district. On normal days, about 1,500 trucks and 52 rail cars arrive at the Mercedes plant in Sindelfingen, carrying steel and glass, tires and dashboards,

Re: [MBZ] Dealership

2008-12-20 Thread Donald Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Sleepin?

2008-12-20 Thread Robert Rentfro
in the snow, very stable... -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081220/3f d165cb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used

Re: [MBZ] Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread OK Don
Yes - the IT industry has to import help because there aren't enough trained people here. Enrollment in computer science programs is way down. These aren't low paying jobs either. On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Contrary to popular wisdom, there is

Re: [MBZ] Sleepin?

2008-12-20 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:47:12 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You guys all sleepin or what? On a lazy Saturday? Are you kidding? :-) We didn't get the big snow last night like we were supposed to, only about 5 instead of 12. Does that mean we have more snow here in New

Re: [MBZ] Sleepin?

2008-12-20 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:12:54 -0700 Robert Rentfro rrent...@cox.net wrote: I'll refrain from telling yous guys how my chores today are cutting the grass and sweeping the pool. I am so glad you refrained from telling us. That kind of comparison would drive us crazy! :-) Craig

Re: [MBZ] '43

2008-12-20 Thread Donald Snook
. But, evidently, Cadillac plants were transformed into tank engine factories. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081220/ebe026b3/attachment.html

Re: [MBZ] Sleepin?

2008-12-20 Thread Rich Thomas
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[MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread Rich Thomas
I wanted to make a cup holder for the boy's SD, to fit in the console. Is it the same size as the 123 console? Can anyone take a measurement? Or I can wait til he gets here. Someone sent me a piccie of one a few years back for the 123. I have my CNC running, thinking about something nice

Re: [MBZ] Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread Rich Thomas
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Re: [MBZ] Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread Rich Thomas
They must be victims of repression of some sort -- no one chooses to be poor. Repression! --R Hendrik Fay wrote: They do, except the taxpayer pays the gap for them. In a country like Oz the poor mainly choose to be poor. Plenty of work if you wanna work, especially if you are willing to

Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I wanted to make a cup holder for the boy's SD, to fit in the console. Is it the same size as the 123 console? Can anyone take a measurement? Or I can wait til he gets here. Someone sent me a piccie of

Re: [MBZ] Windshield chip repair?

2008-12-20 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Euan goneb...@paradise.net.nz wrote: Here in New Zealand we have at least windscreen repair franchise which specialises in concealing cracks and chips in windscreen glass. They do this by injecting some sort of quick-drying liquid into the injury then shaving

Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread OK Don
I'm pretty sure that the console sizes of the 123, 124, 126 are all different. I'd sure like to see what you come up with -- On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

Re: [MBZ] Windshield chip repair?

2008-12-20 Thread John Freer
When I tried to get that repair done in Seattle, they wouldn't do it because the chip was in my sight line and they said it was illegal. Years later, I ran into the same situation here in Kalifornia. Did fix one though on the passenger side, no problem. John On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:42 AM,

Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:47 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pretty sure that the console sizes of the 123, 124, 126 are all different. I'd sure like to see what you come up with -- Not only that, but there might well be differences between the first and second generation 126s

Re: [MBZ] Windshield chip repair?

2008-12-20 Thread harry watkins
Alex Call your insurance company, they probably know folks that do that work. When I was with Geico, they wanted it repaired before it became a W/S replacement and had vendors lined up to send to your house. BTDT, no charge. Harry ___

Re: [MBZ] Dr. Booth, was: Chevron Delo 400 Mobil Delvac 130

2008-12-20 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Christopher McCann xtofer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Wow! Thanks so much for pulling that together. That is EXACTLY what I was looking for. I would add one tiny clarification to Philip's great post from the Marshall archives: the good doctor consistently

Re: [MBZ] Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread Scott Ritchey
I must disagree (no one chooses to be poor) in the sense that lots of Americans would rather be poor than do the study and work required to be more successful. Poor Americans (who have cars and shelter and who are entitled to Medicaid, food stamps, etc.) are rich compared to most of the people in

Re: [MBZ] Torque converter vs fluid coupling

2008-12-20 Thread Wilton Strickland
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Re: [MBZ] Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread Scott Ritchey
Look at this as a product comparison: American IT vs Outsource IT. Why does the consumer choose the Outsource product? How can the American product become more competitive or superior? -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On

Re: [MBZ] '43

2008-12-20 Thread Wilton Strickland
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[MBZ] OT - yard work

2008-12-20 Thread Wilton Strickland
'Just spent 'bout 3 hours cutting grass/weeds and mulching leaves in the yard; 'haven't raked leaves in nearly 20 years; have mulching blades on JD mower; 'just mulch 'em in place. BTW, partly cloudy, temp 'bout 75F. 'Didn't mean to hurt anybody or make anybody feel bad. ;) Wilton

Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread Michael E. Esh
Hi Rich, The dimension for my 123 1984 300D are 13 1/8 from front to back. The side to side to dimensions of hole, measuring the opening at the top of the console is 4 3/4 at the front and 4 1/2 at the rear The bottom/base dimension of the console are 4 1/2 at the front and 4 and 1/4 at the

Re: [MBZ] Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread Loren Faeth
Oz has got to be the most repressive regime on the planet if it has po' people. They are all just po' victims. what was that the Bible said? The poor are always victims of repression. There are NO poor in those glorious nations of brotherhood like Cuba! /) Hendrik, why should you have at

Re: [MBZ] Torque converter vs fluid coupling

2008-12-20 Thread John Robbins
Peter Frederick wrote: It's a bit more complicated than that and requires some good pictures to get a good idea of how it works, but the effect is to allow two slippage states so that the torque from the engine gets amplified in the high slip state. On the CDI there is a variable slippage

Re: [MBZ] Dealership

2008-12-20 Thread John Robbins
Donald Snook wrote: That was the exact idea - you stated it perfectly. Yep! I wish more dealers understood this concept! My Dad has finally found himself a good Chevy dealership. For example, his power steering pump was leaking, and a typical dealership would charge $300+ for a new pump.

Re: [MBZ] OT - yard work

2008-12-20 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread John Robbins
Rich Thomas wrote: I think there are plenty of people around for IT work, but they got tired of getting whacked and imports coming in cheaper to take their jobs, and a lot of off-shoring to India, and other outsourcing. That is why enrollments are way down, smart kids don't see as big a

Re: [MBZ] Torque converter vs fluid coupling

2008-12-20 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread Loren Faeth
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Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread Bill R
I have an insert for my SD that holds two cups. Essentially unusable as I keep the arm rest down. I've tried one that has a long side that slides between the seat and the console, but did not really like that one either - also somewhat of a problem with a passenger. I have thought a gimble [? A

Re: [MBZ] Sleepin?

2008-12-20 Thread Curt Raymond
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Re: [MBZ] Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread Wilton Strickland
I grew up poor. We were tenant farmers in Eastern NC. 'Hardly had a pot to pee in. In 1938, Daddy was trying to buy a 300 acre farm in Wake Co., NC; total price for the farm was $5k; 'couldn't make the $500 payment for that year; 'lost the farm and all our machinery and horses; 'went back to

Re: [MBZ] OT - yard work

2008-12-20 Thread Wilton Strickland
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Re: [MBZ] OT - yard work

2008-12-20 Thread Curt Raymond
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Re: [MBZ] Sleepin?

2008-12-20 Thread Craig McCluskey
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Re: [MBZ] realtivity

2008-12-20 Thread RELNGSON
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Re: [MBZ] Sleepin?

2008-12-20 Thread Bill R
Speaking of snow, FWIW my AK kids are at 123.5 inches. Things could be worse. The best part of that is everyone expects, and is prepared for, 30' of snow a years, and the community is equipped to handle it. 1 here would put the city in a panic and cause hundreds of accidents. BillR

Re: [MBZ] realtivity

2008-12-20 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread LWB250
Hey guys, I'm in the process of setting up my wood shop over the holidays. I made some wooden inserts for both my 123 wagon and 300SD back in the day when I was woodworking before. I would be more than happy to take a shot at making something to try out - do you have an idea of what you

Re: [MBZ] Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread LWB250
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Re: [MBZ] Sleepin?

2008-12-20 Thread LWB250
Curt, Are you in the Berkshires? Just curious... Dan --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sleepin? To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 2:44 PM Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008

Re: [MBZ] Sleepin?

2008-12-20 Thread Kevin Kraly
Even in Hillsboro, Oregon, we've got 6 of snow and more on the way with a chance of additional freezing rain to form a nice, icy crust on top! It's not too fun out there for those on the roads, but I'm going to get my nitro rC monstertruck out and have some fun with it! It's electronics are

[MBZ] Setting Up VPN

2008-12-20 Thread LWB250
If anyone out there has some experience with setting up VPN from scratch, drop me a note off line, please. I'm looking in to the possibility of setting up VPN at our office, and while I am doing my due diligence, would like to chat with anyone who has done this themselves to get an idea what's

Re: [MBZ] Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread Loren Faeth
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Re: [MBZ] realtivity

2008-12-20 Thread OK Don
Exactly - and is one of the reasons I have two - if one needs repair, I can drive the other. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 3:50 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Guess it's a hard call, a merc is harder and more expensive to fix, but if I have to crash a vehicle, or have someone crash into me, I'd

Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread Bill R
I'd love to see something that makes use of the space the ashtray takes up [I don't use that], though I do use the power outlet a fair amount [I could work around that]. Having had at least two cups of ice/diet Coke spilled in the front part of the console [my darling wife is addicted to that

Re: [MBZ] Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread Allan Streib
LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com writes: I would agree with the IT comments, however, the windmill thing, if it gets going, will probably end up much like the telecom (cellular) business has. On another note, around here there was always controversy and protest whenever a cell tower was going up.

Re: [MBZ] Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread Bill R
There is at least one lawsuit now over noise pollution from a wind farm. It was in the news a few weeks or months ago. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:53 PM

Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread Allan Streib
Bill R billr32...@comcast.net writes: Anyone have suggestions on that? We ran this thread a year or so ago and I don't think anyone came up with a workable suggestion. I can usually wedge a cup in between the seat adjustment handle, the seat, and the transmission hump. Not very stable, but a

Re: [MBZ] Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread Rich Thomas
See, I listen to progressive radio (or I used before I left Houston) -- KPFT Pacifica Radio -- and on all the shows there they explained to me that po folks were victims of repression by the evil corporations (and world trade and globalism), the evil Bush (and Cheney and Halliburton),

Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread Bill R
SD has power seats on both sides. That position would not be at all stable for me. I have about quite drinking in the car, but my darling wife is pretty into that stuff, and usually the big ones. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread Rich Thomas
Great thanks. I'll measure Brunnhilde and the SD, compare them to your numbers. Be a good start. --R Michael E. Esh wrote: Hi Rich, The dimension for my 123 1984 300D are 13 1/8 from front to back. The side to side to dimensions of hole, measuring the opening at the top of the console is 4

Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread Rich Thomas
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Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread Jim Cathey
My car currently has the original hands free phone still installed. Ours had one, and when removed left this threaded boss that was screwed to the sidewall of the console. I just rigged one of those springy plastic cup grippers to it, and it serves. It's not even much in the way. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread Allan Streib
Bill R billr32...@comcast.net writes: SD has power seats on both sides. That position would not be at all stable for me. I have about quite drinking in the car, but my darling wife is pretty into that stuff, and usually the big ones. Of course what the Germans REALLY think that drinking in

Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread Rich Thomas
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Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
maybe i should take some classes for that OK Don wrote: Yes - the IT industry has to import help because there aren't enough trained people here. Enrollment in computer science programs is way down. These aren't low paying jobs either. On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Scott Ritchey

Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread Bill R
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Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread Bill R
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Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread OK Don
I have a double walled stainless cup with a LARGE base that sits nicely under the armrest (I always leave it down) in a 126, is snug in the 124, and didn't fit in the 123. However, it is a pain to alway pull it out from under the arm rest, especially if I have a passenger. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at

Re: [MBZ] glass repair

2008-12-20 Thread RELNGSON
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Re: [MBZ] flat out

2008-12-20 Thread RELNGSON
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Re: [MBZ] flat out

2008-12-20 Thread Peter Frederick
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[MBZ] MB Custom cupholders Was: SD console

2008-12-20 Thread Loren Faeth
You need to build her one of my patented MB drink holders. You buy a jar of peanuts that is about 6 cube shaped Eat the peanuts with your brew wash the jar take or make a cloth bag about 6 square. fill the bag with about 3 lb lf lead shot (see your favorite trap or skeet shooter for the shot.)

Re: [MBZ] SD console

2008-12-20 Thread Loren Faeth
Ach! Ven you Trink, You trink! Ven You Drife, you Drife! Dumbkopf! Amerikaners! \) At 05:32 PM 12/20/2008, you wrote: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net writes: SD has power seats on both sides. That position would not be at all stable for me. I have about quite drinking in the car, but my

Re: [MBZ] Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread Loren Faeth
Kaleb, if you decide to, let me know. I spent the last 8 years or so teaching networking, and I think you have the aptitude for it (attention to detail, and ability to live with chaos) I have a lot of leftover stuff. At 05:48 PM 12/20/2008, you wrote: maybe i should take some classes for

Re: [MBZ] Poor Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread Hendrik Fay
So when they choose not to finish school they are being repressed? When they choose not to go onto higher education it is repression? And if they choose not to learn a trade it isyes you guessed itrepression. Plus there is the repression of the gambling places, alcohol and

Re: [MBZ] best he can do on short notice....

2008-12-20 Thread RELNGSON
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Re: [MBZ] Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread LWB250
He should go to a Cisco academy. According to the one I worked with (part of our adult ed program) that was pretty much an open checkbook if you graduated. I don't know it that's still the case, but I have to believe there is some creedence to it. Dan --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Loren Faeth

Re: [MBZ] best he can do on short notice....

2008-12-20 Thread OK Don
Nope - can't claim to be that original. Benjamin Disraeli is credited with writing it first, but it was popularized by Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain). On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:38 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: There are lies, damned lies, and statistics You just made that up, didn't you.

Re: [MBZ] Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread OK Don
The Votech system in OK has a pretty good IT program. Some come from out-of-state to attend. It's at least a good place to start. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:49 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: He should go to a Cisco academy. According to the one I worked with (part of our adult ed program)

Re: [MBZ] Poor Socialism

2008-12-20 Thread Rich Thomas
You are perpetuating the repression by not showing empathy and understanding to the downtrodden. YOU are the Oppressor, and they will be coming after you for reparations before long. You need to tune into Hitaji Abdul Aziz at kpft.org and listen to her explain how you have The Virus, The

Re: [MBZ] targets

2008-12-20 Thread RELNGSON
..A small map of Germany would be nice, with the MB factories outlined.. US Army Air Corps may have one or two left. RLE ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp;

Re: [MBZ] Yes, we know...

2008-12-20 Thread RELNGSON
..Nope - can't claim to be that original. Benjamin Disraeli is credited with writing it first, but it was popularized by Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain). On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:38 PM,  relng...@aol.com wrote: There are lies, damned lies, and statistics You just   made that up,