Re: [MBZ] MB 211

2011-12-09 Thread Hendrik Fay
Yeah like Chevy clones of Korean cars, you know you could have got a hold of Wiltons 124 and stuck a Chevy badge on the front, they would never know and if they asked you coulda told em it is a new expermentally thing, very secret. You know, hush hush, can't really talk bout it. Hendrik who

Re: [MBZ] MB 211

2011-12-09 Thread Hendrik Fay
Kaleb is getting a touch excited, better cool all this talk about car buying and such and concentrate on fluids for auotmobiles. Hendrik who is not buying a car but saw a nice fire engine red W123 300D today WILTON wrote: Valley Motors, Cockeysville, MD Rcvd msg this afternoon; car sold.

Re: [MBZ] OT - National Defense Auth Act

2011-12-09 Thread Hendrik Fay
Ahh yes one of the best ever, wanna be able to do what you like with some bad people? See your friends down South, you know the ones you have kept in limbo for years until you need a place to rough up some baddies. Hendrik who may join you in a state sponsored holiday in sunny and dictatorial

Re: [MBZ] He who must not be named and global warming

2011-12-09 Thread Hendrik Fay
So you gave away your prized army style pistol? Why? Hendrik who recently made a sword for my youngest but it's not sharp and included Mercedes bits Mountain Man wrote: Randy wrote: Lots of things I don't support on a personal level. I did not create the problem. I will not be able to

Re: [MBZ] OT It's a toss-up

2011-12-09 Thread Peter Frederick
We will be getting a wind turbine plant here in the near future, occupying the old aircraft plant Whirlpool recently shut down. Great plant for it, since there are working overhead cranes with 20,000 lb capacity from end to end. Don't know who owns it, but whatever they build here, and I

Re: [MBZ] He who must not be named and global warming

2011-12-09 Thread G Mann
I point out, Willing sacrifice is Patriotic, Forced sacrifice is Slavery. That line is sharp and clear, but it is a line drawn by the Individual not the State. Free People living in Free Nations understand and hold sacred that line. Those presently in leadership willingly choose to attempt to

Re: [MBZ] He who must not be named and global warming

2011-12-09 Thread Jim Cathey
I point out, Willing sacrifice is Patriotic, Forced sacrifice is Slavery. And Unnecessary sacrifice is Stupid. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] He who must not be named and global warming

2011-12-09 Thread G Mann
Exactly how is the line drawn for unnecessary and stupid ? Also, who draws that line, the individual, or the state ? Just to put a fine point on the discussion. Grant... AZ... On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I point out, Willing sacrifice is Patriotic,

Re: [MBZ] He who must not be named and global warming

2011-12-09 Thread Jim Cathey
Exactly how is the line drawn for unnecessary and stupid? That's the tricky part, no? But regarding the topic under discussion (GW) there's more than a little whiff of that out there it seems to me. Also, who draws that line, the individual, or the state? As always, posterity. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] He who must not be named and global warming

2011-12-09 Thread G Mann
[As always, posterity.] So we must rely on the next generation to do what the present generation would not do? Seems Darwins natural selection argument was more flawed than I realized. Isn't the alpha speci supposed to survive? Grant... AZ... On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Jim Cathey

Re: [MBZ] Fuel leak - 240D

2011-12-09 Thread WILTON
'Sure thought that would be right turn - slinging fuel to left, etc. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel leak - 240D Fuel will

Re: [MBZ] He who must not be named and global warming

2011-12-09 Thread Jim Cathey
[As always, posterity.] So we must rely on the next generation to do what the present generation would not do? Not at all. The next generation(s) will be the ones deciding if we were Stupid, or Noble. From here it's a little hard to tell. -- Jim ___

Re: [MBZ] OT - National Defense Auth Act

2011-12-09 Thread WILTON
Long before Hanoi he was an arrogant etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - National Defense Auth Act I wrote my senators and

Re: [MBZ] He who must not be named and global warming

2011-12-09 Thread G Mann
Lines are being drawn every day. I submit the following as example of such mandatory volunteering. Shall we be smart.. or stupid... Now or later? This generation.. or our children? ** There are over 8 million of them in California alone. There are over 4 million in Texas. Nationwide

Re: [MBZ] OT - National Defense Auth Act

2011-12-09 Thread G Mann
Just days before being shot down over North VIetnam, McCain was on the flight line of his ship and involved in the release of live rockets from his aircraft which caused the death of more American Sailors than any like event in American history. Daddy McCain is an Admiral and John was given a free

Re: [MBZ] OT - National Defense Auth Act

2011-12-09 Thread Dieselhead
That too Long before Hanoi he was an arrogant etc. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] He who must not be named and global warming

2011-12-09 Thread Dieselhead
That is easy to tell. For the last 100 years we have been increasingly stupid, and that is according to the plan to take over the country from within, because we could not be beaten from without. [As always, posterity.] So we must rely on the next generation to do what the present

Re: [MBZ] OT - National Defense Auth Act

2011-12-09 Thread WILTON
'Thought the rocket that ignited McCain's A4 came from across the deck from the A4. Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - National Defense Auth Act

Re: [MBZ] Idea!

2011-12-09 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Dec 8, 2011 11:01 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: I've often wondered why a tach is ever present on an auto car, whats it good for? 'Cause I manual shift my automatics. *grin* I find the tach useful on an automatic as a data point for monitoring the health of

Re: [MBZ] Idea!

2011-12-09 Thread Randy Bennell
I do recall a couple of previous threads on the idea of an aftermarket tach for the diesels. This just struck me as a means of doing it without much tinkering if one could separate the sensor from the readout. Hard to say without opening one up I suppose. As to the tach on an automatic, why

Re: [MBZ] Fuel leak - 240D

2011-12-09 Thread Craig
On Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:43:17 -0500 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Sure thought that would be right turn - slinging fuel to left, etc. ;))) But the filler cap is on the right, needing fuel to slung to the right. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new

Re: [MBZ] He who must not be named and global warming

2011-12-09 Thread John Freer
I'd sure like to see the documentation of being arrested in CA as I have refused to cooperate with SCE and I'm still walking the streets a free man for the past year. John Sent from my iPad On Dec 9, 2011, at 7:56 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Lines are being drawn every day. I

Re: [MBZ] OT - National Defense Auth Act

2011-12-09 Thread G Mann
The un-redacted report I read some years ago stated it was rockets from his AC that launched while on deck and started the chain reaction. I wasn't there, didn't see it myself, so it should be treated accordingly. None the less, I'm shocked McCain would sponsor such a bill, considering his

Re: [MBZ] He who must not be named and global warming

2011-12-09 Thread andrew strasfogel
No problem - they will be right over. On 12/9/11, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: I'd sure like to see the documentation of being arrested in CA as I have refused to cooperate with SCE and I'm still walking the streets a free man for the past year. John Sent from my iPad On Dec 9,

Re: [MBZ] Idea!

2011-12-09 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Dec 8, 2011 3:05 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: http://www.amazon.com/Tachometer-digital-photo-tachometer-DT6234B/dp/B0006AZ1RQ What are the odds that one could separate the sensor end of something like this from the readout and use the 2 parts a few feet apart, connected by

Re: [MBZ] OT - National Defense Auth Act

2011-12-09 Thread Dieselhead
So if it was a fragging, mccain initiated it. and if there was a retaliatory fragging, mccain was the target. The un-redacted report I read some years ago stated it was rockets from his AC that launched while on deck and started the chain reaction. I wasn't there, didn't see it myself, so

Re: [MBZ] Idea!

2011-12-09 Thread Rich Thomas
That's an LED -- I think I saw a simple project for this, if anyone is interested I could try to dig it up. --R On 12/9/11 1:55 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Dec 8, 2011 3:05 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

[MBZ] W123 Tire Size

2011-12-09 Thread Rick Knoble
I am trying to shop for tires and I am not certain what the correct size should be. I think 195/70-14. I am trying to find General Altimax Arctics, but all I can find size wise is 185/70-14. What sayeth the list wisdom? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___

Re: [MBZ] Idea!

2011-12-09 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Dec 9, 2011 11:07 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: That's an LED -- I meant an LCD with serial text input capability to show the RPMs and whatever other interesting data you want. I'm working on something like this using an Arduino and a bunch of vacuum and

Re: [MBZ] Fuel leak - 240D

2011-12-09 Thread WILTON
Oh! You're right! How could I be so stupid as to think it's on the left suddenly? I've been driving these MB's for only 32 years, and shonuff, every time I've put fuel in'em, I've put it in that little hole on the right! ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig

Re: [MBZ] Fuel leak - 240D

2011-12-09 Thread Randy Bennell
Ford actually had a better idea (wasn't there an ad campaign like that once upon a time?) My F150 has a little errow pointing left and fuel filler or some such similar wording in the dash by the fuel guage.. If one is feeling forgetful, one can look at the dash before pulling up to the pump.

Re: [MBZ] Idea!

2011-12-09 Thread Randy Bennell
On 09/12/2011 12:55 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Dec 8, 2011 3:05 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: http://www.amazon.com/Tachometer-digital-photo-tachometer-DT6234B/dp/B0006AZ1RQ What are the odds that one could separate the sensor end of something like this from the readout

Re: [MBZ] Out with idea #2

2011-12-09 Thread Randy Bennell
I remember that from a while back too. Randy On 08/12/2011 7:13 PM, G Mann wrote: Look for an item called tiny tach much cheaper, much simpler to install, and I think you will like it. Regards, Grant AZ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new

Re: [MBZ] Fuel leak - 240D

2011-12-09 Thread Fmiser
Dieselhead wrote: Fuel will indeed slosh out of a 123, 124 or 126 with behind the seat tanks. Happens most on sharp Left turns. WILTON wrote: 'Sure thought that would be right turn - slinging fuel to left, etc. ;))) All my W123s have the fuel fill on the starboard (right) side.

Re: [MBZ] W123 Tire Size

2011-12-09 Thread Dieselhead
Hard to find any 14 tires for pre-86 MBs with 14 wheels. I will have to buy some in the spring. I am trying to shop for tires and I am not certain what the correct size should be. I think 195/70-14. I am trying to find General Altimax Arctics, but all I can find size wise is 185/70-14. What

Re: [MBZ] Fuel leak - 240D

2011-12-09 Thread Dan Penoff
I think that is pretty much the norm for later cars. I always look at the gauge before I pull in to refuel as a habit after driving lots of rental cars. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Ford actually had a better idea (wasn't

Re: [MBZ] Fuel leak - 240D

2011-12-09 Thread WILTON
All MB fuel filler ports I've seen are on the right (starboard for the nautical types - we AEROnautical types just call it left and right, though), but I must've taken a stupid pill this morning, anyway. Wilton - Original Message - From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] W123 Tire Size

2011-12-09 Thread Mike Esh
I ended up buying Michelin destiny 195/70/R14 for 1984 300D. 80,000 mile all weather tire. I bought them for $100.00 less the $80.00 rebate when you buy 4. Nice tire. http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/tires/michelin/product/submitProductSize.do?r=MIMINT%7Cpc%7C49461pc=34742 Michael E. Esh

Re: [MBZ] W123 Tire Size

2011-12-09 Thread Michael Canfield
I believe the door tag says 185/70r-15. Mike On Dec 9, 2011 2:20 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: I am trying to shop for tires and I am not certain what the correct size should be. I think 195/70-14. I am trying to find General Altimax Arctics, but all I can find size wise is

Re: [MBZ] Fuel leak - 240D

2011-12-09 Thread John Freer
Trivia question: For decades the filler has been on the right so why does the ML have it on the left? John On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:31 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Oh!  You're right!  How could I be so stupid as to think it's on the left suddenly?  I've been driving these MB's for

Re: [MBZ] Fuel leak - 240D

2011-12-09 Thread WILTON
'Ne sais pas. Wilton - Original Message - From: John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel leak - 240D Trivia question: For decades the filler has been on the right so why does the

Re: [MBZ] OT - National Defense Auth Act

2011-12-09 Thread G Mann
More correctly, there was perhaps a total bonehead move where McCain pickled off a set of rockets while on the flight deck, killed nearly 200 seamen, and a few days later was shot down by enemy fire, over the Hanoi /Hiphong complex. Many questions remain unanswered to my satisfaction. Was he on

Re: [MBZ] Fuel leak - 240D

2011-12-09 Thread Dieselhead
110/111/112 were under the rear plate. When the tank moved to behind the back seat, the filler went to the right. ML is not made in der fatherland, so I guess all bets are off. Trivia question: For decades the filler has been on the right so why does the ML have it on the left? John On

Re: [MBZ] OT - National Defense Auth Act

2011-12-09 Thread WILTON
Again, 'thought the rocket(s) that ignited McCain's A4 came from across the flight deck slightly to his right. Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT -

Re: [MBZ] Idea!

2011-12-09 Thread Fmiser
Curt Raymond wrote: I've often wondered why a tach is ever present on an auto car, whats it good for? On Dec 8, 2011 11:01 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: 'Cause I manual shift my automatics. *grin* Alex Chamberlain wrote: I guess driving a manual transmission properly

Re: [MBZ] Right vs right - was: Fuel leak - 240D

2011-12-09 Thread Fmiser
WILTON wrote: All MB fuel filler ports I've seen are on the right (starboard for the nautical types - we AEROnautical types just call it left and right, though) You were just reporting as viewed from the rear-facing third-row seat in an T model! *grin* I have almost zero nautical experience

Re: [MBZ] OT - National Defense Auth Act

2011-12-09 Thread rogerhga
Hey, you guys are getting into this stuff pretty heavy. Maybe it's time to start writing the script for Conspiracy Theory 2. Mel Gibson could use another movie. And Julia Roberts is always good to see on the big screen. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga.

Re: [MBZ] OT - National Defense Auth Act

2011-12-09 Thread Rick Knoble
From: wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 15:45:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - National Defense Auth Act Again, 'thought the rocket(s) that ignited McCain's A4 came from across the flight deck slightly to his right. They did.

Re: [MBZ] Right vs right - was: Fuel leak - 240D

2011-12-09 Thread WILTON
My nautical experience is fairly well limited to some Portuguese ship anchored in middle of the Atlantic Ocean asking us to turn to starboard and pausing to remember, now, let's see, the word starboard is longer than the word left, so he wants us to turn right, 'cause it is longer than the word

Re: [MBZ] OT - National Defense Auth Act

2011-12-09 Thread G Mann
Try this version. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=119707 Or try this one. http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=75455 I take notice that McCain was the only crew member immediately transferred off the ship post incident. [being the Admirals son has

Re: [MBZ] Right vs right - was: Fuel leak - 240D

2011-12-09 Thread Hans Neureiter
I saw a Moose starboardside. Wth a 'port'colored nose. I did! On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 4:20 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: My nautical experience is fairly well limited to some Portuguese ship anchored in middle of the Atlantic Ocean asking us to turn to starboard and pausing to remember,

Re: [MBZ] Right vs right - was: Fuel leak - 240D

2011-12-09 Thread John Freer
Port is red wine and has 4 letters.easy deduction. John On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: My nautical experience is fairly well limited to some Portuguese ship anchored in middle of the Atlantic Ocean asking us to turn to starboard and pausing to remember,

Re: [MBZ] W123 Tire Size

2011-12-09 Thread glenn brown
The tires I've put on both my '84 300D '85 300TD recently are Kumho Solus KR21 P195/70 14. In my opinion, a better tire than the Michelin MXV4 which I've used for numerous years. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___

Re: [MBZ] Fuel leak - 240D

2011-12-09 Thread OK Don
Made in the USA. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Trivia question: For decades the filler has been on the right so why does the ML have it on the left? John -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] Fuel leak - 240D

2011-12-09 Thread Mountain Man
Allan wrote: Yep, I have more than once not gotten the fuel cap seated properly and had a stream of diesel slosh out of the filler on a left turn with a full tank.  At $4,00/gal I always double check that now. That is what I found - filler cap not seated properly. That is the first time I have

Re: [MBZ] He who must not be named and global warming

2011-12-09 Thread Mountain Man
Hendrik wrote: So you gave away your prized army style pistol? Why? This thread revived to a wonderful exchange from Grant Jim - very good stuff. Hendrik - I was answering the issue of sacrifice. 'I just took the M1911A1 to my youngest.' - 'took' showed my sacrifice - my youngest. My arcane

Re: [MBZ] He who must not be named and global warming

2011-12-09 Thread Rich Thomas
I want a GL, a diesel --R On 12/9/11 10:42 PM, Mountain Man wrote: We all want a new ML for ourselves, rather than liberty for all. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] What really happened aboard AF447

2011-12-09 Thread Rich Thomas
These guys must have just left their commuter plane gigs to go fly the BigBus, or maybe just their Flight Simulator vid game. Of all the ways to FU they found quite a few -- radar, weather, stalling the airplane, failure to actually fly the airplane not the wires, trusting the systems not

Re: [MBZ] What really happened aboard AF447

2011-12-09 Thread Peter Frederick
More a case of why train the pilots when the plane flys itself I think. More and more of a problem with fully automatic systems, the pilots just sit there and watch. The guy who landed in the Hudson was saying this, the airlines are cutting WAY back on actual flight instruction, and I

Re: [MBZ] What really happened aboard AF447

2011-12-09 Thread Scott and Gwen Ritchey
Anecdote: Back in '77 my TPS class toured the TWA simulator training facility (in Kansas City as I recall). When asked why the students were allowed to take written tests in a simulated cockpit with all the warning placards plainly readable (e.g stall speeds, gear speed limits, etc.), one TWA